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My huge San Pedro
#5348699 - 02/28/06 09:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Been growing this for less than a year. Look at the bottle for scale--it measures about three feet from the top of the pebbles up. More stem under the surface. Circumference measures ~12-13 inches at the base; hard to say for sure because of all the spines! The flesh has a bluish matte over deep green. The growing spines at the top are transparent and red.
I got this beauty at bouncingbear, and it has grown at least a foot in less than a year. That is, I bought a two-foot cutting and this is what it looks like today. I wanted to just cook and eat it immediately, but I had to plant it; now it has gotten so magnificent i can't bring myself to butcher it.
Recently, I received a rooted cutting in a grab-bag order of SPs. It looks pretty straggly, but I have it in good soil and after all, mine are good hands. Here's hoping it pulls through and flourishes. 
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I really need to start growing one...I mean, it's a cactus, I bet yo udon't have to do much for it. My apartment doesn't get much sun though...
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... I've never seen a san pedro that had spines as long as that. Are you SURE it's a pedro?
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that looks like peruvians, the spines being long like that. I am growing six san pedros that I've picked up over the years (just picked up four 2-footers last week for 18 bucks!) and none of them have long spines like that.
Growing cactii is fun isn't it?
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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: Noviseer]
#5348754 - 02/28/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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peruvianus has often more shorter spines. but this varies from where the cactus was collected.
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Harmonic_Order
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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: shriek]
#5348830 - 02/28/06 10:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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It's San Pedro; I trust that vendor, he's always done right by me.
OMR, you do need bright sunlight or a pretty scorching grow lamp. However, it is fun to grow them. When I meditated regularly I (may have imagined I) could hear him breathing: thin little whisps of pore-breath. Also, I sometimes have "visitations" where I (may wishfully imagine I) have mescaline dreams: huge, gnarled, multicolored monster-vignette dreams with music. And I haven't eaten him yet... in a pseudo-shaman belief system you could call that entering the cactus, or the spirit of the cactus entering you.
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Heavy.
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OneMoreRobot3021 said: Heavy.
<---- "... Is there some sort of problem with the earth's gravitational pull?"
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Corporal Kielbasa

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like a long spined pedro but other then that i say peruivianous. Shits huge though like the bomb im gonna drop in a few!
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zee_werp
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Huge?? That's not huge mate...It is a nice specimen though. If you put it in brighter sunlight it would not be so skinny in the new growth.
Here's my 'medium sized' one...

And this...this is huge...(not mine)

By the way your one looks like it might be one of those KK242 that BBB sells.
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Corporal Kielbasa

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ha ha it would be news to me as well. But i could see a pachanoi crossbreeding with a peruvianous and making an offspring similar to both parents.
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If BBB sent you a 'peruvianus' it's a cuzcoensis, and it's bunk. Glad you don't want to eat it. It's very pretty, and you'd need a whole lot more than that cutting to catch a buzz. Grow it to grow it. 
And to me, it looks like a cuzcoensis. It's a bit etoliated too, get it more light if possible. Some artificial along with the sun would be wise.
http://www.sacredcactus.com/peruvian_torch4.htm
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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: zee_werp]
#5350280 - 02/28/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I agree with others about it not being T. pachanoi. I've never seen one with long spines either. But its definately in the family!
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zee_werp said: ...this is huge...

I have found several large specimens, similar to that one, growing in the area where I am staying in SoCal. Maybe even bigger then that. I'll have to take some pics when I get a chance.
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"and my peruvianus looks like what you have there. "
It, is quite possibly a trichocereus cuzcoensis as well.
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easier to just by some p.torch or san pedro IMO lol but great news
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I don't see why everyone now takes MS Smith's speculation that KK242 is cuzcoensis as gospel, cause it ain't gospel. I think the only safe thing to call KK242 is Trichocereus spp. "KK242".... There are obvious differences between KK242 and plants that I have seen in botanical gardens and books labelled as T. cuzcoensis.
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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: zee_werp]
#5350682 - 02/28/06 07:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah dude, sorry, but out of the hundreds of san pedros i've seen, that doesn't looke like one. It does look like a Trich. peruvianus, which is still really sweet! You should really look into what that cactus is. Find out when exactly you ordered it, and message BBB about it, show em the pic. They should be able to figure it out, and maybe even hook you up.
Reguardless, it's a beautiful cactus.
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Beautiful cactus.
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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: zee_werp]
#5350729 - 02/28/06 07:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Alright. Whether it's T. cuzcoensis or not, it's still a kk242, and most likely void of popular alkaloids.
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Like the post said, the skin has a blue... ah nevermind  This way, that way, running around pleading the case... It looks like a Peruvianus even in the pics you submitted the cactus has a good probability of psychoactivity so do it how you like it Eventually the gardener eats it and he probably gets what he paid for
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Edited by Harmonic_Order (03/01/06 10:43 AM)
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not if that is a KK242 (T. cuzcoensis often sold as T. peruvianus) im afraid it doesnt. If I was going to ID it i would say kk242 as well.
attached is a pdf file that explains some of the confusion around these species.
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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: shriek]
#5353159 - 03/01/06 11:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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32 pages of undifferentiated gibberish. Garbled. The cactus has blue skin and brown spines and does not look like that other that you keep mentioning.
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what do you get out of eating these cacti?
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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: duggan18]
#5353734 - 03/01/06 02:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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They balance check books, scrub pans, and remind people to call Mom and tell her you love her. 
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Didn't mean to bring such chaos here. It's a wonderful cactus regardless of what it is, and I look forward to one day seeing pictures of it towering over some little human.
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Silverwolf
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Hey you successful growing cacti guys (I've only got ornamentals my "cash crop" are aloes), what is Peruvian Torch like to grow (and is it "Trichocereus Peruvianus", "Echinopsis Peruviana" or both ?-links to any pictures please-)?
P.S I can't open the file above because I'm not sure if my Acrobat is legal and I need to update (techy check necessary and he ain't in town no more).
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Edited by Silverwolf (03/01/06 06:37 PM)
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: Silverwolf]
#5354477 - 03/01/06 06:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Trichocereus
Aloes are nice when they get big they pup or sprout new plants like mad.
Growing is rather straight forward. Maybe more water needed then aloe species in the summer months.
Cuttings root well and start growing fast. They like extra lime and a mineral soil. Once established they can put on a foot of growth a year. Hardy up to hard frosts i think.
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Silverwolf
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Ah! Nice little Peruvian firm are selling Torch as both. I could do a half-year out half-year in with the cacti as I do with the aloes because I grow under lights indoors (and yes I need bigger ones -sigh-).
What about feeds? I use organic seaweed solution and occasional nitrogen from organic chicken manure, any tips (aloes included)?
P.S Scratch above comment on Acrobat I got the file fine, very nice, thank you.
-------------------- "Odrade read the word silently and then aloud. "Arafel." She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources. "Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
Edited by Silverwolf (03/01/06 06:54 PM)
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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: Silverwolf]
#5354622 - 03/01/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'd go with specially made cactus food. Too much N is apparently not a good thing for them.
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Silverwolf
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That's the trouble with doing things on the cheap. Which one do you use ? Is it plant-derived bio-available or "nasties" (organic plant derived nutrients don't exactly seem to leap off the shelf). Do you use any other minerals like suphur?
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Edited by Silverwolf (03/01/06 07:41 PM)
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Corporal Kielbasa said: Trichocereus
Aloes are nice when they get big they pup or sprout new plants like mad.
Growing is rather straight forward. Maybe more water needed then aloe species in the summer months.
Cuttings root well and start growing fast. They like extra lime and a mineral soil. Once established they can put on a foot of growth a year. Hardy up to hard frosts i think.
When you say mineral soil what do you mean (ie: which ones ?)? The only firm I've so far found who might produce an organic multi-mineral liquid for succulents and cacti is Stateside. I have a "Maxicrop" product ("Extract of Seaweed plus Complete Garden Feed")in my hand containing; seaweed extract, 5% Nitogen, 5% Total Phosphorous Pentoxide, 5% water soluble Phosphorous Pentoxide and 5% Total Potassium Oxide, any good?
-------------------- "Odrade read the word silently and then aloud. "Arafel." She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources. "Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
Edited by Silverwolf (03/06/06 12:54 PM)
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: Silverwolf]
#5370806 - 03/06/06 12:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Mineral soil meaning composed of pumice, crushed stone, pulverised sand & lime stone. Not much organics, fast drying media.
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Do cacti generally need less water than succulents (my friend from the Bristol Botanical Gardens waters his aloes twice a week in the Summer, even in their conditions I reckon that it's probably too much -depends on drainage I guess-)? What percentage of the compost is "fast drying media" ?
-------------------- "Odrade read the word silently and then aloud. "Arafel." She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources. "Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: Silverwolf]
#5370881 - 03/06/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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The only rule i fallow is when the soil is dry i water. So in the summer i may be watering twice a week, maybe more if the planters are small and its super hot and sunny out. Maybe less.
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Corporal Kielbasa said: The only rule i fallow is when the soil is dry i water. So in the summer i may be watering twice a week, maybe more if the planters are small and its super hot and sunny out. Maybe less.
Moi Aussi,however aren't they subject to seasonal weather patterns in their natural environment which means they could go nearly a year without water before they receive a large dose of seasonal rainfall?
-------------------- "Odrade read the word silently and then aloud. "Arafel." She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources. "Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: Silverwolf]
#5370983 - 03/06/06 01:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hell yeah! But generaly if water is available they would love to use it.
I see my aloes growing just fine if not better when i dont water them for a month or two wich is unusual.
Perdos and the like do just fine without water for a few months. Mine havn't been watered since October.
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Corporal Kielbasa said: Hell yeah! But generaly if water is available they would love to use it.
I see my aloes growing just fine if not better when i dont water them for a month or two wich is unusual.
I couldn't agree more, that is their vibe (the same one that's also telling me to cut down on their nitrogen, I had to brutalise three bloomers this winter just to try and ensure that I have flower head in the summer when I need it) !
-------------------- "Odrade read the word silently and then aloud. "Arafel." She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources. "Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
Edited by Silverwolf (03/06/06 03:34 PM)
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: Silverwolf]
#5371005 - 03/06/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So you grow the aloes for seed? My one mama trew off a flower shoot the first season i had her. Wasnt able to flower it the past two years though.
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Corporal Kielbasa said: So you grow the aloes for seed? My one mama trew off a flower shoot the first season i had her. Wasnt able to flower it the past two years though.
No I grow them for flowers which I "potentise" into a vibrational remedy. Mine do flower year after year which I attribute to maximum natural light levels (those under lights will probably flower when I put them outside) and good feeding etc.
-------------------- "Odrade read the word silently and then aloud. "Arafel." She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources. "Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
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Re: My huge San Pedro [Re: zee_werp]
#5371337 - 03/06/06 03:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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zee_werp said:
And this...this is huge...(not mine)

hahaha that has to be somewhere in southamerica... look at the periscope-looking tube where the electricity cables enter... only in southamerica have i seen that...
plus in all cities above a certain altitude you see pachanois and peruvianus growing on every corner... nice little specimen
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Hey, I checked the bag of "Peruvian Torch" it claims to be Echinopsis !
P.S I've downloaded a catalogue from "Everybody's Garden Center" (Stateside) , it looks like they've got some -possibly- great stuff, bugger the shipping charges though!
Update: I've lowered the lights, cleaned the ioniser and fed them (with the "extract of Seaweed plus Complete Garden Feed" I mentioned before) today. Best I can do for now. I have also asked my friendly local hardware store man to find some mineral sources of the type "The Corporal" mentioned (the lack of availability of specialist feeds, especially in the U.K, is frustrating).
Growing my cacti and succulents indoors for six months I really need more powerful lights, I'm using two 125w energy efficients which is probably equivalent to 1000-1200w standard. However I have an idea that the bigger the lights the lower the ratio to standard wattage, mine are broad spectrum/infra-red bias. Anyone got any ideas?
Edited by Silverwolf (03/10/06 12:13 PM)
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