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Going to Church stoned (athiests only)
    #5346108 - 02/27/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

first lemme just say i am 100% athiest. so yesterday i got pretty ripped and i had nothing to do, so i went to church. i got there a few minutes early, sat down in the far back row and the show began. first someone walks in with a cross, then with some alter boys and i dunno who else was there and then a priest came in. I'm guessing he was the priest cause he talked the majority of the hour and he was dressed rather flashy? I asked the woman next to me what type of church this was and she seemed kinda offended that i even asked. so i then asked a college student next to me and he said "its catholic man" the whole time i paid attention, listened to every word, but i did not participate in any of the praying. the weirdest part about church is that people really believe in this guy that walked around 2000 years ago saying he was god. during a prayer the lady next to me had her eyes closed and recited a whole prayer. like i dunno she really digs it. then we got up and received what tasted like, mushrooms? it tasted sooo much like them. it was my munchies! but just a lil saucer of it
i wanted to take more but seemed kinda tough. after that i sat down and looked at the cross wondering more about the existence of god. maybe there is i dont know, i really dont think there is, maybe im agnostic i aunnno. church is weird


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lga0302]
    #5346117 - 02/27/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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after that i sat down and looked at the cross wondering more about the existence of god. maybe there is i dont know, i really dont think there is, maybe im agnostic i aunnno. church is weird




Sunds like your heading down the agnostic path to me, I mean you're description is practically text-book: One neither confirms nor denies the existence of God (i.e. isn't sure).


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lga0302]
    #5346122 - 02/27/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hahaha try going sober, it's not any better


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lga0302]
    #5346127 - 02/27/06 04:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ok since I was born and raised in a catholic house I can clear some stuff up for you.

In Catholic churches there are usually 2 preist. One which is usually alot older and another that is pretty much in "training"

Yes there are some prayers that most catholics know by heart. They are recited almost every service.

What you tasted was communion bread. It is what Jesus said would be his body, and I didn't see anything about wine but usually you take a sip of wine which is "Jesuss blood"

Also Im agnostic but if you want to start going to church I recomend staying away from Catholic.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Stonerguy]
    #5346144 - 02/27/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Now here is a question hopefully someone can clear up for me, does Agnostic mean that you are unsure in the existence of a Catholic god, or just in any type of creator?


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Kerr]
    #5346150 - 02/27/06 04:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have hear 2 deffinitions of it
1) Believe in a higher being, but no specific religion.
2) Unsure whether there is a god or not.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Stonerguy]
    #5346152 - 02/27/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks bro, I think that I am in the same boat as you, thanks for clearing it up :peace:


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: barfightlard]
    #5346153 - 02/27/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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bellylard said:
hahaha try going sober, it's not any better



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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Kerr]
    #5346162 - 02/27/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"Agnostic" is the contraction of two Greek words. If roughly translates "without knowledge". The agnostic does not know whether or not God exists.

Of course, one could be agnostic about any number of things.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lga0302]
    #5346164 - 02/27/06 04:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i didn't think you could take communion if you weren't catholic  :shrug:


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Hendostan]
    #5346178 - 02/27/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah well where was God on that one?


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Hendostan]
    #5346179 - 02/27/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think that everyone is essentially agnostic at some level. As strongly as some people feel, I do not think that anyone is capable of knowing if there really is, but then at that I am agnostic about that fact too. Im confused :confused:


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Hendostan]
    #5346181 - 02/27/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'll take whatever I damn well please! :lol:


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Stonerguy]
    #5346182 - 02/27/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Stonerguy said:
I have hear 2 deffinitions of it
1) Believe in a higher being, but no specific religion.
2) Unsure whether there is a god or not.




#2 sounds right. #1 is deism. If you happen to be deistic, then I would highly recommend checking out the writings of Huxley, Eckhart, Watts, Lao-Tzu, Chuang-Tzu...


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: dblaney]
    #5346191 - 02/27/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Stonerguy said:
I have hear 2 deffinitions of it
1) Believe in a higher being, but no specific religion.
2) Unsure whether there is a god or not.




#2 sounds right. #1 is deism. If you happen to be deistic, then I would highly recommend checking out the writings of Huxley, Eckhart, Watts, Lao-Tzu, Chuang-Tzu...




Which from Huxley do you suggest?


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    #5346192 - 02/27/06 04:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: barfightlard]
    #5346197 - 02/27/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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bellylard said:
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dblaney said:
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Stonerguy said:
I have hear 2 deffinitions of it
1) Believe in a higher being, but no specific religion.
2) Unsure whether there is a god or not.




#2 sounds right. #1 is deism. If you happen to be deistic, then I would highly recommend checking out the writings of Huxley, Eckhart, Watts, Lao-Tzu, Chuang-Tzu...




Which from Huxley do you suggest?




Thomas?


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Stonerguy]
    #5346210 - 02/27/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Ok since I was born and raised in a catholic house I can clear some stuff up for you.

In Catholic churches there are usually 2 preist. One which is usually alot older and another that is pretty much in "training"

Yes there are some prayers that most catholics know by heart. They are recited almost every service.

What you tasted was communion bread. It is what Jesus said would be his body, and I didn't see anything about wine but usually you take a sip of wine which is "Jesuss blood"

Also Im agnostic but if you want to start going to church I recomend staying away from Catholic.




yeah i didnt drink the wine cause i didnt wanna fuck up and drink the whole glass + i noticed people were drinking out of that cup then they cleaned it with a dirty cloth... eww

but no i dont think im gonna go to church again, it seems like they try to brainwash them. there was one part where a guy (not a priest) was speaking and after everything he said the catholics responded with "the lord is divine and powerful" something weird like that. kinda creeped me out


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: barfightlard]
    #5346212 - 02/27/06 04:57 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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bellylard said:
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Stonerguy said:
I have hear 2 deffinitions of it
1) Believe in a higher being, but no specific religion.
2) Unsure whether there is a god or not.




#2 sounds right. #1 is deism. If you happen to be deistic, then I would highly recommend checking out the writings of Huxley, Eckhart, Watts, Lao-Tzu, Chuang-Tzu...




Which from Huxley do you suggest?




Oh man all his writings are top-notch, but I would say "The Perennial Philosophy" is the most relevant, followed by "The Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell".

The Perennial Philosophy is an amazing work, and a great introduction to "mysticism" (take that word with a grain of salt) from the east and the west.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Hendostan]
    #5346215 - 02/27/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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i didn't think you could take communion if you weren't catholic  :shrug:




You arn't supposed to.  Also that church does it weird all of the masses I went to the people got up and formed lines to get 1 piece of bread and a small sip of wine.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: dblaney]
    #5346218 - 02/27/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Oohhh Aldous Huxley, Doors of Perception and Heaven and Hell are at my local library, Ive taken it out more than a dozen times :peace:


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Kerr]
    #5346219 - 02/27/06 04:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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bellylard said:
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dblaney said:
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Stonerguy said:
I have hear 2 deffinitions of it
1) Believe in a higher being, but no specific religion.
2) Unsure whether there is a god or not.




#2 sounds right. #1 is deism. If you happen to be deistic, then I would highly recommend checking out the writings of Huxley, Eckhart, Watts, Lao-Tzu, Chuang-Tzu...




Which from Huxley do you suggest?




Thomas?




Aldous


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Hendostan]
    #5346227 - 02/27/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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i didn't think you could take communion if you weren't catholic  :shrug:




You're not supposed to, but I doubt lga0302 knew that, so it's all good. The beauty of transubstantiation is that it occurs whether or not the one consuming the body of Christ is aware of what he is doing.  :smile:

Congratulations on your first communion lga0302!

I am quite certain that I have given first communion to a number of people, usually at wedding and funerals.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lga0302]
    #5346423 - 02/27/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I like to think of myself as a devil when I'm in church. It makes everything they're talking about much more interesting. And O, how they respect the power of the Devil. Hail Satanas!


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lukeboots]
    #5346469 - 02/27/06 06:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Numbers and chemicals.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: theuser]
    #5346693 - 02/27/06 07:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

What you believe really doesn't matter, just as long as it makes you happy. The meaning to life is to pursue happiness and nothing else. I'm not going to say there isn't a god because like RyanKerr said, no one really is sure, but they believe because it gives answers to the unanswerable, it gives them a set of rules to live by that doesn't make them unhappy.

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the weirdest part about church is that people really believe in this guy that walked around 2000 years ago saying he was god.



He never said he was god, he was the son of god. What I think is that in a time with a lack of mental institutions people with voices in there heads go around spreading the opinions of their voices, which explains the lack of profits in the last few centuries. As for the miracles, they never happened, masses of people believed what they saw because they were looking for an easy way to explain creation, and a group of people to except them. I'm sure we would all be Buddhist if indians took over Europe before the switch over from BC to AD(which is purely a biblical switch over, scientist just didn't feel like rewriting all of history with a more logical counting of years, i mean fuck if they did we would be at the year ...fuckin 1000000000).

but thats just my $0.02

Edit: Next time you should trip and go to church, it will be better.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lga0302]
    #5347099 - 02/27/06 08:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"hey, you guys beleive something that's hard to beleive in? You must be idiots, this is stupid"

I think it's moronic to form an opinion of people's beleifs based upon half-baked conceptions of what is wrong with them.

But hey, atheism is popular, so it's okay to be disrespectful of your equals in society. :crankey:


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lga0302]
    #5347608 - 02/27/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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maybe im agnostic i aunnno.




Hahaha! That's a very funny comment.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: supercollider]
    #5347680 - 02/27/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

edgar cacey once said, "time is an illusion with purpose." i personally believe in god or atleast some kind of creator(whom i would consider god if the god i believed in was fraduelent). but there definatly is something going on in the universe that is more then just some mortal life time here on this rock earth.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lga0302]
    #5351046 - 02/28/06 08:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I once went to church on about 3 grams of mushrooms. Fun times! :laugh:


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Konnrade]
    #5351068 - 02/28/06 08:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Konnrade said:
"hey, you guys beleive something that's hard to beleive in? You must be idiots, this is stupid"

I think it's moronic to form an opinion of people's beleifs based upon half-baked conceptions of what is wrong with them.

But hey, atheism is popular, so it's okay to be disrespectful of your equals in society. :crankey:





As usual, this fucker steals my thoughts right out of my head :tongue:


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Konnrade]
    #5351232 - 02/28/06 09:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Konnrade said:
But hey, atheism is popular, so it's okay to be disrespectful of your equals in society. :crankey:




Thing is, Konnrade, atheism is not popular. Now I don't share the original poster's condescending attitude toward religion, but on the other hand, I can't feel any sympathy for Christians and other theists when they say they're being disrespected. You are the majority, and you've been exploiting that majority position from the beginning. I feel disrespected every time I look at my money and read "In God We Trust." One can announce in public that he/she is a Christian and still be treated respectfully by everyone. The same does not hold true for atheists.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lga0302]
    #5351343 - 02/28/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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lga0302 said:
then we got up and received what tasted like, mushrooms? it tasted sooo much like them.




a theory is the that body of christ [ sacrament ] is amanita muscaria mushrooms, could have been cubes.  And that the blood of christ is jesus's urine after taking amanita's since it turns your piss red, and the piss is still active.  :mushroom2:


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: supercollider]
    #5351345 - 02/28/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Konnrade said:
But hey, atheism is popular, so it's okay to be disrespectful of your equals in society. :crankey:




Thing is, Konnrade, atheism is not popular. Now I don't share the original poster's condescending attitude toward religion, but on the other hand, I can't feel any sympathy for Christians and other theists when they say they're being disrespected. You are the majority, and you've been exploiting that majority position from the beginning. I feel disrespected every time I look at my money and read "In God We Trust." One can announce in public that he/she is a Christian and still be treated respectfully by everyone. The same does not hold true for atheists.




Good point, sad but true  :mad:


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: fresh313]
    #5351375 - 02/28/06 09:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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lga0302 said:
then we got up and received what tasted like, mushrooms? it tasted sooo much like them.




a theory is the that body of christ [ sacrament ] is amanita muscaria mushrooms, could have been cubes.  And that the blood of christ is jesus's urine after taking amanita's since it turns your piss red, and the piss is still active.  :mushroom2:




I remember watching a video on pot-tv about the very same thing a while back.

"Author and lecturer James Arthur discusses the role of the Fly Agaric mushroom in relation to the modern myths of Christmas and Santa Claus, and also explores the possibility that mushrooms account for the Biblical myths of manna. From a 1999 presentation based on his book, 'Mushrooms and Mankind' given at Gizeh, Egypt."

Entheogens 101: James Arthur on Santa Claus and the Fly Agaric Mushroom


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Idiot]
    #5351390 - 02/28/06 10:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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What you believe really doesn't matter, just as long as it makes you happy. The meaning to life is to pursue happiness and nothing else. I'm not going to say there isn't a god because like RyanKerr said, no one really is sure, but they believe because it gives answers to the unanswerable, it gives them a set of rules to live by that doesn't make them unhappy.

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the weirdest part about church is that people really believe in this guy that walked around 2000 years ago saying he was god.



He never said he was god, he was the son of god. What I think is that in a time with a lack of mental institutions people with voices in there heads go around spreading the opinions of their voices, which explains the lack of profits in the last few centuries. As for the miracles, they never happened, masses of people believed what they saw because they were looking for an easy way to explain creation, and a group of people to except them. I'm sure we would all be Buddhist if indians took over Europe before the switch over from BC to AD(which is purely a biblical switch over, scientist just didn't feel like rewriting all of history with a more logical counting of years, i mean fuck if they did we would be at the year ...fuckin 1000000000).

but thats just my $0.02

Edit: Next time you should trip and go to church, it will be better.




Something I came across that is related to the BC/AD situation...

It is commonly thought that BC stands for "before Christ" and AD stands for "after death." This is only half correct. How could 1 B.C. have been "before Christ" and 1 A.D. been "after death"? BC does stand for "before Christ." AD actually stands for the Latin phrase "anno domini" which means "in the year of our Lord." The B.C. / A.D. dating system is not taught in the Bible. It actually was not fully implemented and accepted until several centuries after Jesus' death.



It is interesting to note that the purpose of the BC / AD dating system was to make the birth of Jesus Christ the dividing point of world history. However, when the B.C. / A.D. system was being calculated, they actually made a mistake in pinpointing the year of Jesus' birth. Scholars later discovered that Jesus was actually born in around 4-6 BC, not 0 AD. That is not the crucial issue. The birth, life, ministry, death, and resurrection of Christ are the "turning points" in world history. It is fitting, therefore, that Jesus Christ be the separation of "old" and "new." BC was "before Christ" and since His birth, we have been living "in the year of our Lord." Philippians 2:10-11, "That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father."

interesting...


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: inv3rse]
    #5351425 - 02/28/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ya Ryan, heres a link to the videos to anyone interested
_.+; The Pharmacratic Inquisition ;+._
http://www.archive.org/details/pharmacratic-inquisition


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: fresh313]
    #5351452 - 02/28/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Ya Ryan, heres a link to the videos to anyone interested
_.+; The Pharmacratic Inquisition ;+._
http://www.archive.org/details/pharmacratic-inquisition




Good show, thanks for that :thumbup: 5 for you :grin:


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: supercollider]
    #5351685 - 02/28/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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But hey, atheism is popular, so it's okay to be disrespectful of your equals in society. :crankey:




Thing is, Konnrade, atheism is not popular. Now I don't share the original poster's condescending attitude toward religion, but on the other hand, I can't feel any sympathy for Christians and other theists when they say they're being disrespected. You are the majority, and you've been exploiting that majority position from the beginning. I feel disrespected every time I look at my money and read "In God We Trust." One can announce in public that he/she is a Christian and still be treated respectfully by everyone. The same does not hold true for atheists.




You haven't been in our shoes. I've come across countless people whom interpreted a person saying they were christian as being an invitation to try to make them look stupid or get them to admit they are wrong. Atheists can catch a lot of flak, yes... but trust me, it's nothing that christians aren't very familiar with being subjected to. A lot of feeble minded people hate us because of solely moronic reasons, and they're perfectly willing to act on that moronic hatred in ways that no person should have to put up with.

I think it's even worse when the two groups just come together and then start doing the same thing towards one another though. We should all know better. :frown:

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I feel disrespected every time I look at my money and read "In God We Trust."




If you feel disrespected every time you see a historical reference to the beleifs of the founders of a nation, then you are clearly overly sensitive. There are so many religious references in our government because the people who built our government from the ground up were religious people, and they used their experience and beleifs to help them shape the system which allows you a chance to be heard, and fight to claim rights you feel you are entitled to. So, if the beleifs of the people who gave that to your government are insulting to you, then I think you're asking too much of your country. And as a closing note in regards to the founders of the nation, I might remind you that it was those same christians who instated YOUR right to free religion. But clearly that isn't enough for you to be allowed your right to your religious beleifs. Apparently you also need to be given the right to take other people's history away from them. Apparently you think the saying "your right to move your arm ends where my nose begins" only applies to people who AREN'T you. You think that the government doesn't have the right to continue it's traditions, because you think that the petty insult you interpret it as somehow encroaches on your rights. However you also seem to think that you're perfectly within your rights to take away that right from everyone else.


The government was designed to be separate from religion with the primary intention of preventing it from ever being a theocracy (theocracy is not a fair system of government). It was not anybody's intention to design things to cater to the demands of people who expect the government to bend over backwards to avoid referencing anything that their simple minds are capable of misinterpreting as an insult. The government has more important things to do then go through a difficult hassle of making sure it's not offending you.

On a related point:

The atheists who go to great lengths to remove harmless religious references from american government are not doing so because of the fact that it will do any good. They're doing so because they are bitter people and they are looking for a sadistic outlet for it, in the form of being a litigant spoilsport. They're trying to irritate people, or they're trying to compensate for something. They are horrid assholes and the only things they accomplish are making people mad and wasting huge amounts of taxpayer money on the frivolous legal proceedings that they cause to happen. They aren't doing anything that comes anywhere close to being useful. They are being a detractor from society, and they need to stop wasting everyone else's time and money with their petty childishness.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Konnrade]
    #5351729 - 02/28/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I love the whole "If I can't have it, I'll mess it up so nobody else can either" attitude. Shit, I think that ought to be America's motto.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Jadian]
    #5351787 - 02/28/06 11:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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The atheists who go to great lengths to remove harmless religious references from american government are not doing so because of the fact that it will do any good. They're doing so because they are bitter people and they are looking for a sadistic outlet for it, in the form of being a litigant spoilsport. They're trying to irritate people, or they're trying to compensate for something. They are horrid assholes and the only things they accomplish are making people mad and wasting huge amounts of taxpayer money on the frivolous legal proceedings that they cause to happen. They aren't doing anything that comes anywhere close to being useful. They are being a detractor from society, and they need to stop wasting everyone else's time and money with their petty childishness.




very well said Konnrade...


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: shroomydan]
    #5351798 - 02/28/06 11:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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i didn't think you could take communion if you weren't catholic  :shrug:




You're not supposed to, but I doubt lga0302 knew that, so it's all good. The beauty of transubstantiation is that it occurs whether or not the one consuming the body of Christ is aware of what he is doing.  :smile:

Congratulations on your first communion lga0302!

I am quite certain that I have given first communion to a number of people, usually at wedding and funerals.




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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Boom]
    #5352064 - 03/01/06 02:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I was a seminarian for the last couple of years. I just dropped out of the program over Christmas.

There is a formula to the ritual. The Eucharistic minister says "The body of Christ", and the communicant is supposed to say "Amen" before receiving and consuming the host. When somebody comes forward who doesn't know the ritual, chances are that person is not Catholic. It happens a lot at weddings because there are usually people of many different religions present.

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I was high for the entirety of the Easter Triduum last year, and I'm thankful for the experience, though this year I hope to be sober for them. Catholic liturgies are not only about worship and community, if they are properly executed, they are also pedagogical tools which bring to life a sublime theology. Being a little bit high can often open one's mind to see the profoundity of the mysteries.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lga0302]
    #5352089 - 03/01/06 02:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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first lemme just say i am 100% athiest. so yesterday i got pretty ripped and i had nothing to do, so i went to church. i got there a few minutes early, sat down in the far back row and the show began. first someone walks in with a cross, then with some alter boys and i dunno who else was there and then a priest came in. I'm guessing he was the priest cause he talked the majority of the hour and he was dressed rather flashy? I asked the woman next to me what type of church this was and she seemed kinda offended that i even asked. so i then asked a college student next to me and he said "its catholic man" the whole time i paid attention, listened to every word, but i did not participate in any of the praying. the weirdest part about church is that people really believe in this guy that walked around 2000 years ago saying he was god. during a prayer the lady next to me had her eyes closed and recited a whole prayer. like i dunno she really digs it. then we got up and received what tasted like, mushrooms? it tasted sooo much like them. it was my munchies! but just a lil saucer of it
i wanted to take more but seemed kinda tough. after that i sat down and looked at the cross wondering more about the existence of god. maybe there is i dont know, i really dont think there is, maybe im agnostic i aunnno. church is weird




I totally believe in God and Jesus, but I don't think that the weird things they do in church are representative of Him.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: lga0302]
    #5352739 - 03/01/06 08:56 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Go to a black baptist church. It's pretty much the opposite.


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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Anonymous]
    #5352811 - 03/01/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I smoke weed IN church every sunday.

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    #26835392 - 07/21/20 02:51 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Shiithead]
    #26835394 - 07/21/20 02:52 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

14 years ago hu...

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Re: Going to Church stoned (athiests only) [Re: Stonerguy]
    #26835654 - 07/21/20 08:24 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

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In Catholic churches there are usually 2 preist.  One which is usually alot older and another that is pretty much in "training"




mmm hmm, and we ALL know what "training" they do there, don't we now.

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