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-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake.
"What business is it of yours what I do, read, buy, see, say, think, who I fuck, what I take into my body - as long as I do not harm another human being on this planet?" - Bill Hicks
Not just a better captain (Kirk was a high roller with the lives of his crew & federation property/diplomacy) but TNG in my view is a better series than the old Startrek. The old Startrek was so two-dimensional and pulled a Deus Ex Machina alot of the time which made it predictable and boring.
Once you've seen that much-hyped episode "the trouble with Tribbles" you had to come to the conclusion that the old series, well, sucked.
James T. Kirk. Don't get me wrong I like them both but Kirk gets the nod, he set the standard.
-------------------- "I hate having to pick between the lesser of two evils. But I'm glad Obama was elected. McCain was another war monger. I'd rather deal with our country going into debt than trying to take on afghanistan...oh wait FUCK!" - Fungus_tao
Not just a better captain (Kirk was a high roller with the lives of his crew & federation property/diplomacy) but TNG in my view is a better series than the old Startrek. The old Startrek was so two-dimensional and pulled a Deus Ex Machina alot of the time which made it predictable and boring.
Once you've seen that much-hyped episode "the trouble with Tribbles" you had to come to the conclusion that the old series, well, sucked.
Picard and his crew exemplify some of the worst in American imperialist ("Fascist") "frontiersmen" philosophy (despite the much vaunted "Prime Directive"). I like Patrick Stewart but dear old Bill -and his crew- must get the nod. The original crew were much more like "The Pranksters" than the "Next Generation" ever were. How can anyone not be moved by Scotty, Spock, McCoy, Uhura and the rest? Go goosestep elsewhere!
-------------------- "Odrade read the word silently and then aloud. "Arafel." She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources. "Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
There is a story that Leonard Nimoy once had to use the vulcan neck pinch/grip (?) to stop Shattner singing !
-------------------- "Odrade read the word silently and then aloud. "Arafel." She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources. "Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
Waddya mean ? Old Jim T hasn't pulled a stitch yet!
-------------------- "Odrade read the word silently and then aloud. "Arafel." She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources. "Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
Quote: Booooom said: -- Some guys at MIT are sending us reasons why Captain Kirk is better than Captain Picard.
-- Heh! They're out of their minds hehee!
i think you switched the names, was that on purpose?
-------------------- Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? No, says the man in Washington; it belongs to the poor. No, says the man in the Vatican; it belongs to God. No, says the man in Moscow; it belongs to everyone.
I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture. - Andrew Ryan
oh, and picard, cuz patrick stewart is a god and played professor X
-------------------- Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? No, says the man in Washington; it belongs to the poor. No, says the man in the Vatican; it belongs to God. No, says the man in Moscow; it belongs to everyone.
I rejected those answers. Instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture. - Andrew Ryan
Oooohh!! But the captain of the Enterprise is a "first among equals" and is only as good as the crew of which he is a part! Qapla'!
-------------------- "Odrade read the word silently and then aloud. "Arafel." She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources. "Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""
1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
BTW, anyone know Spock's first name? I always thought it was "YouCouldntPronounceIt". At least that's what he told that chick in one episode.
-------------------- Republican Values:
1) You can't get married to your spouse who is the same sex as you. 2) You can't have an abortion no matter how much you don't want a child. 3) You can't have a certain plant in your possession or you'll get locked up with a rapist and a murderer.
Picard always seemed so much more noble, regal, stoic, and badass than Kirk. Kirk was badass in his own right...but Picard seemed more refined in his bad-assness.
Picard all the way. If I was stuck in space I would rather be hanging with him than Jim.
I am willing to bet that Jim had some alien Gonoreah.
Also Patrick Stewart was in Dune for crying out loud people.
-------------------- The sun, with all those planets revolving around it and dependent on it, can still ripen a bunch of grapes as if it had nothing else in the universe to do. ---Galileo
Yeah but you know their parts aren't like ours. I am pretty sure most of the reproductive organs on aliens center around the belly button region.
-------------------- The sun, with all those planets revolving around it and dependent on it, can still ripen a bunch of grapes as if it had nothing else in the universe to do. ---Galileo
-------------------- "You've got to get hold of the thread of marching time, pull the fuck thing down, get on the end of it and pang yourself to the infinitude of absolute mind" Ken Campbell - Furtive Nudist
"The mystery of life is not a problem to be solved but a reality to be experienced" - Aart van der Leeuw
Quote: evolprim said: picard played ghandi. end of story
Yes, but Ben Kingsley played Gandhi as well. Does that mean that if Ben Kingsley jumped off a bridge, that I should jump off a bridge also? Are we all supposed to go around blindly following actors who played Gandhi?
What about actors who played Jawaharlal Nehru, such as the versatile Roshan Seth? What blind allegiance do I owe them? Where will it all end? Oh the humanity, the humanity...
I grew up with Picard but I think Kirk handled everything much better than Picard. Picard lost Yiar(man do i feel like a nerd) Did Kirk lose any of his crew? And Kirk is just better anyway. He didn't have all the technology picard had and still kicked ass. I can remember all the characters in Kirk's crew while Picard I can recall a few but Kirk's crew is universally known. Sure Picard has Data, but Kirk has Spock who totally kicks ass to a new level of shit! I mean it's no contest.
Nobody says beam me up Worf. All Picard has is "Make it happen or make it so"
The bottom line fellaz is that Kirk was whoop the shit out of Picard any day. It's not even fair how much Kirk dominates over Picard. GUHguhgUhgUHgUhgUGhGUhgUGUhgg that's all i gotta say.
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
Quote: Cracka_X said: Picard lost Yiar(man do i feel like a nerd)
Dude...that Tar Monster thing was unstoppable. Niether Kirk nor Picard could have done anything to stop Tasha's untimely end.
Quote: Cracka_X said: Did Kirk lose any of his crew?
Only about a bazillion security officers.
Quote: Cracka_X said: And Kirk is just better anyway. He didn't have all the technology picard had and still kicked ass.
Kirk was such a pretentious windbag when compared to the refined and elegant badassness of Picard.
Quote: Cracka_X said: The bottom line fellaz is that Kirk was whoop the shit out of Picard any day. It's not even fair how much Kirk dominates over Picard. GUHguhgUhgUHgUhgUGhGUhgUGUhgg that's all i gotta say.
If Kirk and Picard were to fight, Patrick Stewart would strangle Shatner with his own hair-piece.
Kirk would have found a way so far-out that it would've saved Yiar.
When I say crew I mean the original crew.
Aside from Kirk's arrogance, he was the baddest. For the tools he was given, he made damn good use of them.
Picard was too refined and he was good, which probably that character played the captain in The Next Generation.
I've seen more of the Next Generation than the old school but the old school was primitive and basic at a certain degree. Kirk never faced the borg or an entity that could tear their ship apart. Now that I think of it, Picard was dealt much more difficult scenarios...
But I'm all about the old school, baby.
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
They were but the Borg were stiffer than stiff. They didn't give a shit. You couldn't outrun a Borg Cube and if they wanted you dead then that was it.
Then there was Q.
-------------------- The best way to live is to be like water For water benefits all things and goes against none of them It provides for all people and even cleanses those places a man is loath to go In this way it is just like Tao ~Daodejing
Quote: Cracka_X said: I grew up with Picard but I think Kirk handled everything much better than Picard. Picard lost Yiar(man do i feel like a nerd) Did Kirk lose any of his crew? And Kirk is just better anyway. He didn't have all the technology picard had and still kicked ass. I can remember all the characters in Kirk's crew while Picard I can recall a few but Kirk's crew is universally known. Sure Picard has Data, but Kirk has Spock who totally kicks ass to a new level of shit! I mean it's no contest.
Kirk lost his own son in the third movie. To Fucking Kahn. the worst villan ever. He lived on Paradise Island for Christ Sake!
-------------------- The sun, with all those planets revolving around it and dependent on it, can still ripen a bunch of grapes as if it had nothing else in the universe to do. ---Galileo
Remember the ear worms. I had nightmares about those things.
-------------------- The sun, with all those planets revolving around it and dependent on it, can still ripen a bunch of grapes as if it had nothing else in the universe to do. ---Galileo
Picard for sure.Even I think a starship captain shoudl have a bit of maverick in him Kirk took it to a corny level and picards sense of refinement just make him come out on top.also th fact he did face at least IMHO more formidable adversaries makes him the better captain
-------------------- All that is now All that is gone All thats to come And everything under the sun is in tune But the sun is eclipsed by the moon.
Damn straight, 72% picard. He's just the man, no questions asked. There's always an uncertainty with Kirk, like what the hell is he thinking with all those pauses. Picard just says it like it is, right to your face. lol funny poll
-------------------- Will all the big boomers please unveil, please unveil, please unveil.
Quote: Cracka_X said: Did Kirk lose any of his crew?
Only about a bazillion security officers.
Hehehe... True enough! Pretty much if you had a red shirt on, and you weren't Scotty, you were doomed in the first 5 minutes.
I am a much bigger fan of the original Star Trek than I ever was of the Next Generation for many reasons. However, the characters I did like in Next Generation were Picard and Data. I just don't like them as much as I like Kirk and Spock.
The original Star Trek was more hokey and corney, but I enjoy those qualities.
Star Trek seemed like a basic morality play which addressed many of the issues facing America in the 1960s, racism, the cold war, man's fear of being replaced by computers and machines, et cetera, and it was one of the first science fiction shows on TV to do this well (with the exception of the Twilight Zone).
One of the things that I loved about the original Star Trek was that it seemed to embrace humanity and individualism more than the Next Generation did. The people in the original seemed more like individuals with the foibles of individuals. Scotty liked to drink his scotch; Kirk liked to "get his groove on" with alien chicks; Bones kept going on about being an "old country doctor." Personally, I just found them more appealing on some level. The Next Generation seemed a little slicker and a little colder; the characters seemed a little flatter and made out of cardboard.
However, these are just my own personal observations and preferences. Star Trek was also the only game in town when I was young, so I naturally have a personal nostalgia for the show.
One thing that the Next Generation did give us, however, was a metaphor for the coming problems of overpopulation, rampant technology, and the postmodern shift, and that was the Borg. The Borg was a great literary device to illustrate one of the potential paths that humanity itself may go down, if we're not careful. It's a device that still serves us to this today, perhaps now, more than ever. I don't think the Borg appeared until quite later in the show though.
I think that the Borg being the menace in Next Generation is a little ironic, because I've always felt that the Next Generation crew itself had made that leap toward "future man," which is a little smoother, politically correct, and well-oiled; a little more mechanical in a social sense. The next generation crew seemed a little less personally interesting and idiosyncratic; more cog-like. Not like that undisciplined, over emotional, and all too human crew of the original show.
Ah, shit! I don't know. This is not very clearly thought out. I'm just tired, spaced out, and prone to rambling right now. I should just delete this load of rubbish, but I invested time in writing it, so I might as well post it...
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