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DoorOfPerception
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Girlfriend and drugs?
#5344919 - 02/27/06 11:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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So I have never done any drugs, except marijuana, but have been reading and trying to figure out all I can about psychedelic drugs so I can prepare myself for when I do take them. But my steady girlfriend is a firm non-believer in drugs. She doesn't seem to understand the difference between psychedelics and hard-heroin type drugs. But I also know that she's the type of person who, if given a psychedelic like peyote, shrooms, or even LSD would have a great trip and experience a lot. But the hardest part is convincing her. I tried explaining the benefits, the difference between addictive drugs and these, tried explaining that it could turn out that she would understand loads more about herself and I, how we fit into the universe, etc. I even told her that it wouldn't be a constant occurrence even, just an occasional trip. Not to escape the world, but to expand the mind. But she doesn't seem to understand. and I'm running out of ideas. Anybody got any help for me on this one?
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Jfisher
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You're a brave lad. I never even tried telling my girlfriend about my psychedelic drug use, she had a hard enough time with pot at first. Eventually I told her and it was rough. Maybe just gently continue to inform her of what the differences are between harder drugs and hallucinogens?
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Chikitta
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She shouldn't need any convincing to try psychedelics.. in my opinion it's something you need to decide to do yourself without any pressure from friends.
Trying to force drugs, especially psychedelics, on people is a recipie for disaster - this is coming from someone who learned that lesson the hard way.
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: Jfisher]
#5344946 - 02/27/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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A lot of people won't give psychedelics a chance because of the horror stories that are associated with them.
My advice is, don't force anyone into doing something they don't want to, especially psychedelics, however; if you and your girlfriend are remotely serious, then this is something she has to accept about you. You want to experience new things and learn more about your individual self, and that she's welcome to join in at any time with you, but this is who you are. If she can't accept that, maybe she can't accept you?
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: Chikitta]
#5344949 - 02/27/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I didn't mean try to pressure his girlfriend into using them. I meant try to let her understand psychedelics better so that she might accept his use.
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: Jfisher]
#5344957 - 02/27/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Sorry if things came out misdirected. I just meant, in general, don't pressure her. I agree to help her understand psychedelics better because misinformation is worse than no information, and chances are she's heard some rumors/stories about how bad tripping is for you and what can happen, so go to her, and educate
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DoorOfPerception
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: Fictional]
#5344981 - 02/27/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its not that I'm totally pushing and trying to force her to do them, I just want her to know and understand that the worst thing that could happen is a bad trip. I explained the whole "set and setting" ideal, explained that I would be a trip-setter and that it would be safe. I just wanted to know if I was leaving anything out. Because I really do know that she would enjoy them if she just didn't have so many hang-ups about them
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scumpi
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You should probably just leave her alone and not try convincing her at all. But you can tell her how it was for you after tripping and what help it did for you without implicating that this means she should do it too.
If you are lucky she will eventually become curious. That in my mind would be the best if not the only way.
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HeavyToilet
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DoorOfPerception said: But I also know that she's the type of person who, if given a psychedelic like peyote, shrooms, or even LSD would have a great trip and experience a lot.
How would you know? If you haven't even done them how could you say you know she'd have a great trip? Psychedelics aren't just some drug that you take to have a 'good time'. Psychedelics make you see a connection. What happens if you'd rather not see the connection and you do mushrooms? Sometimes ignorance can be bliss.
Don't underestimate them like that.
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: HeavyToilet]
#5345170 - 02/27/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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MAybe you could start by dropping hints.
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DoorOfPerception
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: HeavyToilet]
#5345189 - 02/27/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Its not that I'm underestimating them. While I'm not an expert, I DO know a lot about them. And she is the type of person who would seek a more enlightened state. She does meditation, which in a way is a drugless method of achieving a quasi-psychedelic state. And I'm not just a person who wants to get "buzzed." I do experience things that I otherwise wouldn't be able to. And I think that it would also help to achieve an even better state if I had someone to be there with me, and to discuss afterwards. And I thought that my girlfriend is the obvious choice, until I brought it up with her.
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HeavyToilet
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DoorOfPerception said: I just want her to know and understand that the worst thing that could happen is a bad trip.
Oh what, a possible traumatic experience that could cause someone decades of regret? Yeah it aint no thang. 
And you're going to be a trip sitter? I wouldn't want a trip sitter who hasn't even done any psychedelics. You wouldn't understand the tripper's fear.
I have to say I don't approve of your approach to this situation.
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Alas, its too late to drop hints. I thought that she would be more perceptive to it, and so I just stuck it out there in the open. Maybe females are just naturally less perceptive than males, because 2 of my guy friends are totally for the idea, and one is even beginning the process of growing shrooms. My original idea was to get several of us close friends together and experience it. So I brought it up and the guys liked it, one female was hesitant about it, and my girlfriend was obviously totally against it.
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DoorOfPerception
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I was going to do them first and later trip-sit for her.
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HeavyToilet
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You should do them a few times before her. Then you'd have a much easier time controlling and understanding the situations if they arise.
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You shouldnt pressure her to do something she doesnt want to do.
instead, tell her that's what you do and if she doesnt accept it then she can find another boyfriend and tell her she is missing out on some beautiful experiences.
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DoorOfPerception
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: ke1n]
#5345231 - 02/27/06 12:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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But is it really worth it to lose her over these? Like I said, I haven't done them so I don't know. But I also read about something in The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test that said people who tripped together would form some sort of serious bond together. Hence my wanting to do it with my closer friends.
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DoorOfPerception said: I also read about something in The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test that said people who tripped together would form some sort of serious bond together. Hence my wanting to do it with my closer friends.
I can attest to this fact...tripping with the same people multiple times allows a form of bonding to occur that otherwise probably would not happen. When tripping, your boundaries are dissolved and you will become more open with those around you than normally you would feel comfortable with. I would say that you and your girlfriend could really benefit from the experience if you did it together. That said, I would never suggest psychedelics to another person as a solution or enhancement to their current situation unless that person already had an expressed interest in them.
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DoorOfPerception said: Alas, its too late to drop hints. I thought that she would be more perceptive to it, and so I just stuck it out there in the open. Maybe females are just naturally less perceptive than males, because 2 of my guy friends are totally for the idea, and one is even beginning the process of growing shrooms. My original idea was to get several of us close friends together and experience it. So I brought it up and the guys liked it, one female was hesitant about it, and my girlfriend was obviously totally against it.
Hmm I more often then not trip with females. My wife also loves to trip.
I don't think it is a female thing at all.
I also wouldn't talk about knowing anything about tripping till I had experienced it. I read and read and read before my first time, and it was ABSOLUTELY nothing that I expected it to be.
You also seem to understand a bad trip, which once again, you have to really experience to understand.
Its cool you want to share this with you g/f, but if she isnt receptive to it, then don't push it on her! Some people just have no intrest in tripping, and there is nothing wrong with that.
By pressuring her, you are probably turning her more away. Let her read on here and erowid and make up her own mind.
Remember, everyone works differently, don't assume anything.
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: dedjam]
#5345311 - 02/27/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well its not just that I want her to do them with me, even though I do. Its actually more that when I said I was going to do them with or without her, she got kind of angry and said that she wasn't going to go out with someone who did drugs. So I need to figure out how to explain to her that its not a stupid addictive drug like meth or something. I thought that the best way for her to understand that would be for her to trip herself, but I from what you guys say its not a good idea for me to ush her into it. So how do I convince her that its safe and I won't have any long-term negative side effects?
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: dedjam]
#5345312 - 02/27/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Well its not just that I want her to do them with me, even though I do. Its actually more that when I said I was going to do them with or without her, she got kind of angry and said that she wasn't going to go out with someone who did drugs. So I need to figure out how to explain to her that its not a stupid addictive drug like meth or something. I thought that the best way for her to understand that would be for her to trip herself, but I from what you guys say its not a good idea for me to push her into it. So how do I convince her that its safe and I won't have any long-term negative side effects?
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dr0mni
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from my experience she'll never understand and she'll never accept your beliefs or what is important to you. Eventually this non-acceptance will separate you two...
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: dr0mni]
#5345325 - 02/27/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I'm lucky enough to have someone that will glady take part in psychedelic experiences with me.
These girls do exist!
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: dr0mni]
#5345328 - 02/27/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thats kind of what I'm trying to avoid. Should I give up on them altogether, or just play the "what she doesn't know won't hurt her" game?
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HeavyToilet
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Tell her there are no physically damaging side effects. And that it is impossible to OD, and that they aren't addictive, etc etc.
If she thinks they're damaging or anything, tell her you wont do them if she finds a source for it. An actual study. Which she wont because no studies have shown any damage caused by mushrooms.
Also you should get her to smoke weed with you first. Once she gets into blazing she'll probably be more open to other drugs.
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dr0mni
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no, it's best to be honest. If you can't be honest with her then why be with her? Why would you want to be in a relationship with someone who you can't be truly open and intimate with?
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: dr0mni]
#5345374 - 02/27/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yeah, you're definitely right. About the weed thing, she actually is kind of changing her mind about it. She used to be super adamant that she was never going to do it, then me and a friend got some seeds and are going to soon plant them and she kind of opened up about them. I think the part that turns her off most about drugs are going to people and buying them, so hopefully I'll give her some free pot and she'll open up more.
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Rather than convince...educate. Find good trustworthy information to show her about psychedelics and if shes even remotely openminded, she eventually will probably be ok with you trying them. She's just concerned for your safety at the moment but with a little education she should be able to see that you are making an informed decision and not just looking for a cheap thrill. Of course if you get her to be ok with your use of these compounds and they have a positive effect on your life, maybe she will decide that she wants to try it too.
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Yeah, I'll have to work on that. Thanks a lot for your help too, guys.
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i'd say you have to turn her on for her to understand.
either teach her how to lucid dream (perhaps let her fall asleep then wake her up after 30-40 minutes and try and guide her into an interactive hypnagogic trip like state [she'd be pissed i suppose but i'd do that to someone if i had the chance to have a sleeping partner])
or smoke her up some bud [which will be intense and kinda psychedelic for a first timer]
because really they just don't understand. You can't explain psychedelics to someone that hasn't even tried to experiment with their dreams, meditate, or do anything mystical. They don't understand the gravity of it. Even those who do try to meditate or dream can miss the spectrum entirely.
You could play some Tim Leary and Ann Shulgin mp3s for her where they talk very scientifically about the benefits of psychedelics and show her Leary's research findings on LSD (90% wanted to do it again, 60% or so said it changed their lives for the better... 3500 sample [which is a HUGE sample])
The only thing I could really do is speak about my experiences and how they have changed my life, and try to explain how it is like reconnecting to the childlike mind where all things are unique and un-ignored, where the dots on the wall are extremely important as are the clouds in the sky and your reflection in the mirror, and you are in tune with anything you come into contact with.
I would say that it is a free-ticket back into childhood, and depending on how severe the dose, BEFORE childhood back into death and birth and the straight up "bardo".
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Re: Girlfriend and drugs? [Re: leery11]
#5345961 - 02/27/06 04:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Thanks so much man, that was the best advice I've had yet. I'll have to get right to work on those mp3s, and I'll read up on the lucid sleeping a bit then try that.
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I wish I had your problem. My g/f used to be a proper druggie as her last boyfriend was a dealer and he'd reguraly feed her 5 e's then another 5 an hour later to keep her drugged up all the time. She's gotten over that, but i've just introduced her to acid and shrooms and now i'm trying to convince her that acid isn't something she has to do more than like once every couple of months.
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