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Boing Boing
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boing boing!
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Mj, do you fancy yourself an artist?
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: lukeboots]
#5345548 - 02/27/06 02:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: adrug]
#5345593 - 02/27/06 02:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I actually dig some of his stuff.
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: TheCow]
#5345704 - 02/27/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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yeah me too........ But i still thought it was funny
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That particular fractal had a photograph used to make the image. It may seem simple to some. I do UFO's also and outer worlds, as well as sci-fi and surealistic imagery.
My Turtle Road (The long and winding road) was sold for $400.00 Dollars and was a montage with real photos and graphic imagery.
I leave that image here for you. And some other art I created. Turtle Road: The Long and Winding Road.

Some SCi-Fi iamgery I created. I made the space ship in KPT 5.


Another of my outer world series of nebulae.

A mushroom Visual

You gotta like this one called Mr. Mouse.

And finally another in my Biosphere series.

So there are a few examples.
And have a shroomy day
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: Yrtlzmo]
#5348565 - 02/28/06 08:31 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Questioning whether or not something is art, or if somebody is an artist, begs the question: What is art, and what does it mean to be an artist?
If art can be simply understood as the subjective expression of an individual within some medium, then anyone who expresses themselves within a medium may be deemed an artist.
Seems to me as if MJ is an artist. He may not be "the best" (but also not "the worst), and he may not have the style of a Renaissance artist, but there is still the expression of his character, and the transformation of thought to, in this case, graphic art. In a sense, he is immortalizing his thought that was used to create the art. Its actually pretty amazing stuff, seeing as how humans are the only beings we know of that intentionally create art and express themselves in such a manner.
Just because you don't like the flavour of the candy, doesn't mean that it is not candy. Similarly, just because you do not like some art-form, or if some art-form does not meet a standard of quality, does not mean that it is not art and that the individual who created it is not an artist. Its likes saying, "I don't like your personality. Therefore, I don't think you are a person."
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: Yrtlzmo]
#5349419 - 02/28/06 01:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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YEs it is shit.
However, you might think it is shit, but people are paying for it.
Can you draw? I can't, but I can creat cool images and as I noted above. People pay good money for it.
Personally I think Picasso is shit. But people pay money for that.
have a shroomy day,
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mjshroomer said: Personally I think Picasso is shit.

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Re: Boing Boing [Re: TheCow]
#5349664 - 02/28/06 02:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I think Picasso is shit, too. That just like nonsensical chaos. Though, I'm not educated in art history.
BTW, I like a lot of your work. Fractals are awesome. And some of those photo's you snapped are pretty badass, too.

Thats awesome!
Edit: whooops.
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: psyka]
#5349943 - 02/28/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Honestly there is so much symbolism in that painting it is mindblowing. If you just like your art to look 'pretty' like I guess fractals do for some reason to you, than have at it. Also the painting style is absurdly good in guernica.
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: TheCow]
#5349996 - 02/28/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I had a print of that chilling on my wall in my last apartment, I didn't think it was all that mind blowing.
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: TheCow]
#5350036 - 02/28/06 03:47 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Here is an image I created in Fraxplorer and in Gradient Designer and Planar-tyling in KPT3.

Then I put this iabove image into the KPT3 Meta Toys f/x plug-in and created this Aztecish mandala.

That is one method I use.
This next image is Mj Mind meld. This was a passport phot enlarged and placed into a hyper tyling program in KPTS 7.

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Re: Boing Boing [Re: Yrtlzmo]
#5350448 - 02/28/06 05:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yrtlzmo said: No. Stop trying to be philosophical. When someone says, "MJ shouldn't consider himself an artist" we don't actually think he should tell himself, "I am not an artist" we're just saying his work is shit, it's an opinion. No one's debating whether his work is actually art, that answer is clear, it's just bad art.
Don't take things so literally.
Stop trying to be philosophical? What the hell does that mean? I am not trying[i/] to do or be anything, just typing words that are supposedly representative of my thought. If you don't mean "MJ shouldn't be an artist", and instead mean "MJ creates shit art", then say what you mean. Why beat around the bush?
What were actually expressed were opinions disguised as claims. When opinions are expressed there is usually a declaration of the subjective nature of the sentence (i.e. "I think...", "I believe...", or "In my opinion...").
I sense negative energy emanating from your presence.
Personally, I think that MJ's art is alright, but it not something I would pay for. It is fun, however, to see things that other people create. I like the space themed images, but I think that they could benefit from having more a spacey atmosphere (a starfield?).
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: Yrtlzmo]
#5350645 - 02/28/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yrtlzmo says Quote:
How can you sense negative energy from my presence if you've never been in my presence?
One really does not have to be in your presence to sense your negative energy.
mj
And I might mention that my art is so bad, A journalist in France provides for free, space at his website for more that 2000 of my graphic art designs.
http://www.releasethereality.com/mjart.html
Additionaly, From a man with split personalities whose majority of posts are about meth, downers, split personalities, poppy pods, all the drugs that are negative to shrooms also speaks in the 'we' person mentality of someone who is bi-polar and most likly was sexually abused as a child. And still is a child.
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No. Stop trying to be philosophical. When someone says, "MJ shouldn't consider himself an artist" we don't actually think he should tell himself, "I am not an artist" we're just saying his work is shit, it's an opinion. No one's debating whether his work is actually art, that answer is clear, it's just bad art.
And furthermore. You do nothing but cause descent here in this thread. If you do not like my art, and consider it as shit. Then why else do you open the thread. If you do not like it then don't look. PErsonhally I think it is me you do not like and take it out on the art. Must be jealous.
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ha mj he meant himself and the other guy in the thread who doesnt like your art when he said 'we'. That whole last post was pretty silly in my opinion.
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: Yrtlzmo]
#5352364 - 03/01/06 05:16 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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You shoulde go and check his site out. It is about many things int he subculture. You might actually like the site.
Interviews with many people int he field, articles on other drugs, ayahuaasca, etc.
http://www.releasethereality.com
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: Yrtlzmo]
#5353237 - 03/01/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yrtlzmo said: Maybe because most people are able to understand that, "MJ shouldn't be an artist" and "MJ creates shit art" can mean the exact same thing in following the, "Don't make a career out of something you suck at" logic, if we thought MJ's art was good why would we ever encourage him to become an artist?
Become an artist? That was my initial point, anyone who creates art is technically an artist, albeit not a professional artist (unless of course they make money with their art, which, it seems, MJ does).
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Guess what? Opinions and claims can be the same thing too, we were claiming in our opinion that MJ's art is shit, why are you making this so difficult? Not everyone wants to follow your straightforward ways of thinking, expressing opinion, if you can't interpret something as simple as the views expressed in this thread I'm actually confused how you survive socially.
Actually, I was just trying to point out how much a of dick you were being. However, claims and opinions are not the same thing. If I claim that all X are Y, it is not the same as stating my opinion that I think all X seem like Y. Claims can be refuted, opinions cannot.
Claim: All apples taste like shit. <-- can be refuted Opinion: I think apples taste like shit. <-- cannot be refuted
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mjshroomer said: PErsonhally I think it is me you do not like and take it out on the art.
This seems to be case.
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: Darcho]
#5353299 - 03/01/06 11:52 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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My goodness, I really fucked this thread up with that question, didn't I?
I guess MJ does consider himself an artist. I do not. What MJ does is equivalent to using a preset Fruityloops drum kit, making a beat, and telling us it's his newest waltz. I mean seriously. Fractals? That comes from a computer's 'soul', not yours.
I don't mean to sound harsh. I think this art is just frankly no good.
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: lukeboots]
#5356734 - 03/02/06 09:04 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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jonnywax said Quote:
What MJ does is equivalent to using a preset Fruityloops drum kit, making a beat, and telling us it's his newest waltz. I mean seriously. Fractals? That comes from a computer's 'soul', not yours.
Not all of my art is made form a fractal.
I created the flying saucer and the ufo's posted in the images below by using boolean objects. I created the tree form scratch and the water and mountain are Bryce 5. The metalic spaceship in the bryce imaeg I created also from boolean objects and shaped it into a gold metalic space vehicle. Connecting them together and then shapeing them and coloring them to shape them imto Space ships. So Those are not from fractals. I made them from scratch And I am doing so to show here. I did make their backgrounds in KPT effects but the backgrounds are necessary to show the whole image.
Two or three people not liking my art does not affect my response to make a lot more.
Now I have this summer, an animated dvd being produced of my art animated with music (Trance-Trip-Techno), 1 hour and maybe ten to 20 minutes. IT will contain five clips, three are already consisting of over 55 n mnutes of art animation. completed.




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Nothing fruity loops about those,
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: Yrtlzmo]
#5356783 - 03/02/06 09:19 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Jeez, I just make one little comment about my PERSONAL opinion of his art and look what happens. Chill out, folks.
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: adrug]
#5357108 - 03/02/06 11:26 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I did not imply anything towards adrug's comment about my art. IT was directed at others.
have a shroomy day,
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Quote:
mjshroomer said: jonnywax said Quote:
What MJ does is equivalent to using a preset Fruityloops drum kit, making a beat, and telling us it's his newest waltz. I mean seriously. Fractals? That comes from a computer's 'soul', not yours.
Not all of my art is made form a fractal.
I created the flying saucer and the ufo's posted in the images below by using boolean objects. I created the tree form scratch and the water and mountain are Bryce 5. The metalic spaceship in the bryce imaeg I created also from boolean objects and shaped it into a gold metalic space vehicle. Connecting them together and then shapeing them and coloring them to shape them imto Space ships. So Those are not from fractals. I made them from scratch And I am doing so to show here. I did make their backgrounds in KPT effects but the backgrounds are necessary to show the whole image.
Two or three people not liking my art does not affect my response to make a lot more.
Now I have this summer, an animated dvd being produced of my art animated with music (Trance-Trip-Techno), 1 hour and maybe ten to 20 minutes. IT will contain five clips, three are already consisting of over 55 n mnutes of art animation. completed.




mj
Nothing fruity loops about those,
mj
When I make a track in fruityloops, I take a sample (let's call it a 'boolean object'). Then I twist and turn it into the sound I want, say from a boing to a bap. When that's done I arrange the sample with other samples I've done the same thing to, and create a pleasing auditory soundscape. Roughly the same thing you do to make these pictures. So yes. There is much 'fruityloops' about those.
I just think your art is really uninspired. Again, I don't want to insult you. But that stuff is seriously not a challenge to make. I had Bryce 5 at one point and could pump out images very similar to yours. Maybe try using a bit of personal experience, emotion, or a real message in your art? All I see is pretty shapes and colours. Nothing of meaning.
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: lukeboots]
#5360062 - 03/02/06 11:35 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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When I draw a picture, I take a line and twist it and conform it to the shape I want to draw on the page...
Challenge doesn't mean much, jeez. Have you never been intrigued by a cartoon artwork style? Simple can be fucking amazing sometimes, just depends on the concept and execution.
MJ is an artist as is any other. Fuck, bunch of tight wads in this thread, they think they know what art is, sheesh. Only those who don't know shit try to tell others that they know. Those who know, well they don't give a shit.
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my goodness.
As I said in my last post, I. Just. Think. It's uninspired. My opinion. I want MJ to try harder, that's all.
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: lukeboots]
#5360893 - 03/03/06 08:11 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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MJ doesn't care, as long as people are stupid enough to buy the stuff he's pumping out.
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Re: Boing Boing [Re: adrug]
#5361131 - 03/03/06 10:40 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I clicked your avatar, but did not receive my PS2. 
Lots of people in this thread have their panties in a bunch... it makes me giggle.
Art is in the eye of the beholder. If someone out there appreciates MJ's work, it is art to THEM. That is what matters.
That being said, everyone should also respect each other's right to express an OPINION... as long as they express it in the form of an opinion. (ie, simply say, "I don't really like it" instead of "that sucks.")
I, personally, do not like most of his artwork. I find his work very often unappealing in color choice, and I think most of them look very "unfinished." (Many art pieces just require fine tuning and finesse to bring them into their own, so to speak.)
However, I have found a few pieces throughout his posts that I have appreciated... and I do respect him for embracing creativity, even if I don't like everything he makes.
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keep doing your thing, mj.
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