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Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened)
    #5344453 - 02/27/06 08:10 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sunnis and Sadr's Shiites make peace
From correspondents in Baghdad
26feb06
THE movement of Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, alleged to have played a role in the anti-Sunni violence over the last few days, publicly made peace with political and religious Sunni leaders overnight.

Four sheikhs from the Sadr movement made a "pact of honour" with the conservative Sunni Muslim Scholars Association, and called for an end to attacks on places of worship, the shedding of blood and condemning any act leading to sedition.

The agreement was made in the particularly symbolic setting of Baghdad's premier Sunni mosque Abu Hanifa where the Shiite sheikhs prayed under the guidance of Sunni imam Abdel Salam al-Qubaissi.

The meeting was broadcast on television and the religious leaders all "condemned the blowing up of the Shiite mausoleum of Samarra as much as the acts of sabotage against the houses of God as well as the assassinations and terrorisation of Muslims".

The statement made reference to the key concerns of both communities with the violent aftermath to the attack on the Samarra mausoleum which saw more than 119 people die.









The sheikhs condemned "those who excommunicate Muslims" a reference to the "takfireen" or Islamist extremists like Abu Musab al-Zarqawi who justify killing fellow Muslims by declaring them non-Muslims.

"It is not permitted to spill the Iraqi blood and to touch the houses of God," said the statement, adding that any mosques taken over by another community should be returned.

The meeting also announced the formation of a commission to "determine the reasons for the crisis with a view to solving it", while also calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of US troops.

On the political front, Salam al-Maliki, a cabinet minister allied to Sadr, and Iyad al-Sammaraie of the Sunni Islamic Party proclaimed their own reconciliation at a joint press conference, aired on Iraqi state television.

The Islamic Party belongs to the Sunni National Concord Front, which won 44 seats in parliament and has broken off talks on forming the next Iraqi government since Wednesday's eruption of violence.

While overwhelmingly Shiite and representing thousands of poor and disaffected Shiites across the country, Sadr's movement has often made overtures to the Sunni Arabs over their mutual dislike of the US presence in the country.

Still, the roving bands of gun-toting, black clad youths attacking Sunnis and their places of worship on Wednesday were widely believed to have connections to the Mehdi Army, the armed wing of Sadr's movement.

In fact, Sadr's office in Najaf issued a statement Saturday calling on his followers to eschew their trademark black uniforms.

"The order has been given to members of the Mehdi Army to no longer wear their black uniform, so that it not exploited by those who commit crimes," said the statement.

The statement added that those attacking mosques were "criminal bands with no links to the Sadr movement."
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Re: Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5344550 - 02/27/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Dude you really think that the violence will stop because of the leaders? The leaders have been urging them to stop for a while now. Yet 2o something died again yesterday. And I guarntee it won't be over.


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Re: Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened) [Re: beatnicknick]
    #5344653 - 02/27/06 09:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I did not support this war, but I hope for the best.

I Hated President Clinton and did not support Clinton bombing Afghanistan, Sudan, Iraq, and invading Kosavo/Bosnia.

but I hoped for the best.

And I don't remember the media taking body counts during Clinton's wars, and yelling Democrats lied and people died!

BTW years later American troops are still in Kosovo and Bosnia and it is still fucked up over their.

but I hope for the best....


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Re: Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5344950 - 02/27/06 11:30 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And I don't remember the media taking body counts during Clinton's wars, and yelling Democrats lied and people died!


If you only watched Fox news then you'd probably have missed it. Any half-decent news source made it clear the sanctions were an absolute catastrophe for Iraq. And as many as Shrub has killed there's no question that Clinton's sanctions killed many hundreds of thousands more (so far at least - once the civil war breaks out all bets are off of course)


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Re: Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5345080 - 02/27/06 12:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well im not surprised Sadr made peace with the sunni's considering almost a year ago he allied with them and did attacks on the US.

Watch this situation closely it has the ability to backfire completely on our military.


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Re: Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened) [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5347047 - 02/27/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

MSM and liberals deeply saddened?

Blatant generalizations. Liberals do not hope for a continuation of the chaos that has consumed Iraq since 2003. We're simply wondering why it started in the first place.


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Re: Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5350583 - 02/28/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ummm... Mission Accomplished?


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Re: Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened) [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5351288 - 02/28/06 09:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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And I  don't remember the media taking body counts during Clinton's wars, and yelling Democrats lied and people died!






haha i guess you had your head in the sand during the whole somalia episode. republicans went nuts over the 19 that died and the footage was on the news for weeks.

and no american troops died in the kosovo incident, so maybe thats why there wasn't a body count. :shrug:

it's the same with both situations. it's just that the iraq war is far bloodier, far more contreversial, and more poorly planned than any of clintons wars.


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Re: Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened) [Re: Baby_Hitler]
    #5351398 - 02/28/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Ummm... Mission Accomplished?




Yup.


We Successfully developed a Terrorist Kill Zone right in the middle of the Holy Land.


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Re: Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened) [Re: JonnyOnTheSpot]
    #5351430 - 02/28/06 10:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

you are right, 0 deaths in Kosovo.

U.S. casualties in major wars

U.S. forces have fought five major wars since the Civil War. Fewer than 150 died in battle in the 1991 Persian Gulf war; World War II, by contrast, killed almost 300,000 military personnel.

By date of U.S. involvement

CIVIL WAR
1861-65
DURATION IN DAYS: 1,440
TOTAL MILITARY: 3,263,363
BATTLE DEATHS: 214,938
TOTAL DEATHS: 526,832

WORLD WAR I
1917-18
DURATION IN DAYS: 584
TOTAL U.S. MILITARY: 4,734,991
U.S. BATTLE DEATHS: 53,402
TOTAL U.S. DEATHS: 116,516

WORLD WAR II
1941-45
DURATION IN DAYS: 1,365
TOTAL U.S. MILITARY: 16,112,566
U.S. BATTLE DEATHS: 291,557
TOTAL U.S. DEATHS: 405,399

KOREAN WAR
1950-53
DURATION IN DAYS: 1,126
DEPLOYED U.S. TROOPS: 1,789,000
U.S. BATTLE DEATHS: 33,651
TOTAL U.S. DEATHS: 36,913

VIETNAM WAR
1964-75
DURATION IN DAYS: 3,921
DEPLOYED U.S. TROOPS: 3,403,000
U.S. BATTLE DEATHS: 47,378
TOTAL U.S. DEATHS: 58,177

PERSIAN GULF WAR
1991
DURATION IN DAYS: 84
DEPLOYED U.S. TROOPS: 665,476
U.S. BATTLE DEATHS: 148
TOTAL U.S. DEATHS: 383

Conflicts in the last 20 years

Between the Vietnam War and the war on terrorism, no U.S. conflict lasted more than six months, and casualties among U.S. troops have been low. The military operation in Afghanistan is in its 17th month.

By date of U.S. involvement

GRENADA
1983
DURATION IN DAYS: 51
DEPLOYED U.S. TROOPS: 5,000
U.S. BATTLE DEATHS: 18
TOTAL U.S. DEATHS: 19

PANAMA
1989-90
DURATION IN DAYS: 14
DEPLOYED U.S. TROOPS: 27,000
U.S. BATTLE DEATHS: 23
TOTAL U.S. DEATHS: 23

SOMALIA
1992-93
DURATION IN DAYS: 153
DEPLOYED U.S. TROOPS: 26,000
U.S. BATTLE DEATHS: 29
TOTAL U.S. DEATHS: 43

KOSOVO
1999
DURATION IN DAYS: 77
DEPLOYED U.S. TROOPS: 7,000
U.S. BATTLE DEATHS: 0
TOTAL U.S. DEATHS: 2

AFGHANISTAN
2001-
DURATION IN DAYS: 540 (ongoing)
DEPLOYED U.S. TROOPS: 9,000*
U.S. BATTLE DEATHS: 21
TOTAL U.S. DEATHS: 74

Note: Civil War includes Union and Confederate armies. *As of March 2003.

Sources: Federation of American Scientists, globalsecurity.org, U.S. Army Center of Military History, U.S. Department of Defense, U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs


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Re: Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened) [Re: MisterKite]
    #5351801 - 02/28/06 11:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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MSM and liberals deeply saddened?

Blatant generalizations. Liberals do not hope for a continuation of the chaos that has consumed Iraq since 2003. We're simply wondering why it started in the first place.




were actually sort of in a bind on this issue..because we dont want a continuation on the one hand...but OTOH..anything that bush&co could call a "victory" in iraq will become a vindication of their aggressionist policies..which will in turn become a whole series of similar wars.. not to mention the right-wing nutjobs extending their majority in congress...given that set of consequences..i would have to say that continuing the war in iraq is the lesser evil at this point in time...


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Re: Sunnis and Shiites make Peace (MSM and liberals Deeply Saddened) [Re: Annapurna1]
    #5354918 - 03/01/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't see anything wrong with invading other countries and I ain't even American.


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