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WBS simmered too high... boiled?
    #5343218 - 02/26/06 09:53 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ok so i think i simmered a bit too high of temp and i was busy gettin jars ready and when i went out to check on the wbs i noticed quite a bit of exploded kernels so i quickly pulled it off and rinsed it under cold water... my first try at wbs they were too dry... now i think i over did it.. there is no excess moisture but i would say about 15-20% of the kernels exploded... should i not even knock them up? im waiting to see what they will look like after they are done pressure cooking.....

any one have any suggestions about exploded kernels when it comes to wbs.. does it slow colonization, or hinder it completely? should i save the spores and go buy another bag of wbs and start over.. or what do you guys think? i will take a picture if im not too tired later


Edited by c_glidden (02/26/06 09:58 PM)


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Re: simmered too high... boiled? [Re: c_glidden]
    #5343246 - 02/26/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Once they are done pressure cooking, try to see if you can shake them with relative ease. The kernels shouldn't stick together. If they do stick together and clump up they will have trouble colonizing. Good luck.


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Re: simmered too high... boiled? [Re: User714]
    #5343257 - 02/26/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

k thanks.. still about an hour.. good ol pc is still building steam :X

got shit loads of homework to do in the mean time, thanks for that advice though.. i think there were clumps before i pc'd them, but not the whole thing.. ill guess ill just have to see..

my last two substrate attempts failed so im not about to waste any more spores..

i tried verm/brf/hpoo.... and only two of 6 jars are colonizing...

then i tried cracked corn, and it was way to dry.. 0/12 jars colonized.. major bummer and major waste of spores...


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Re: simmered too high... boiled? [Re: c_glidden]
    #5343527 - 02/26/06 10:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i had the over cooked problem on like 2 batches, finally just added some verm before pc'n but after soak and simmer. we'll see how it turns out, got real good shakability and i highly dount the seeds are even close to being less than 70-80% still full of moisture. Just an added dummy proofer to the method for me. ill have pics in couple dayz hopefully.
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Re: simmered too high... boiled? [Re: c_glidden]
    #5343559 - 02/26/06 10:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

did the over cooked wbs colonize? or did you not try it


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Re: simmered too high... boiled? [Re: c_glidden]
    #5343601 - 02/26/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Rinse them with COLD water to wash away the excess starch. That should make them shakeable.

Let the water drain for about an hour, stir, load and PC


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Re: simmered too high... boiled? [Re: DrAbominable]
    #5343621 - 02/26/06 11:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

thats what i did, silly.. :thumbup:

pressure cooker is coolin right now

we'll see


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Re: simmered too high... boiled? [Re: c_glidden]
    #5343679 - 02/26/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ok so i just took them outta the pressure cooker and sure enough its all a big clump.. no goo or anything but when i shake it.. its like all big clumps shakin around inside the jar, and after i stop shaking the wbs grains just drop right back down to the bottom and clump together..

sweet.. another failure


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Re: simmered too high... boiled? [Re: c_glidden]
    #5344513 - 02/27/06 08:39 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This is EXACTLY why I don't SIMMER wbs/grains.


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Re: simmered too high... boiled? [Re: agar]
    #5344546 - 02/27/06 08:53 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i would say try one jar. let the other sit for a few days, inoculate one or two jars to see it they are ok. then if it goes bad buy some more seeds and try again.

when you simmer just bring the water to a boil drop the seed in and then turn the flame down. kinda like letting it just soak in really hot water. it will hydrate don't worry just don't add more heat... VERY LOW HEAT. also simmer 30 minutes exactly if your just simmering.

if you think it still has too much water in the seeds after the strainer, then wrap you hand in a brand new clean paper towel and runn your hand through the grain to dry the outside of the seeds.


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Re: WBS simmered too high... boiled? [Re: c_glidden]
    #5344586 - 02/27/06 09:17 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think I heard about some method where you just bring the water to a boil, turn off the stove, dump the seeds in and wait an hour. Ahhh, I can't think of where I saw it.... :smirk:


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Re: WBS simmered too high... boiled? [Re: FooMan]
    #5344886 - 02/27/06 11:01 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

let your jars sit for a day or two and the clumping will go away. Just make sure to give your jars a good shake every day and you'll notice the grains getting looser.

This happened to me last time because i rushed the straining process. I just let them sit for a few days and they unlcumped and colonized just fine.


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