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A question brought about by fear of failure.
    #5342942 - 02/26/06 08:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have decided to do casing my first grow, I might do a couple cakes in case my Rye attempt bungles but mostly it'll be cased.

I was leaning towards 6:4 Vermiculite Coir mix, with Oyster shells, and calcium carbonate in it as well.

Now I am reading horror story upon horror story about overlay issues with coir, and I cannot find any Tek or Threads about dealing with overlay or how to avoid it.

I was going to be using
"From Syringe to Print with Rye"
"Casing Mix 101"
"Soaking" cant recall rest of thread title but it was about how soaking is not a numerical science its something you pay attention to.
and "Pinning" someone wrote an amazing thread on pinning, and I have its thread # written down.


Now with all the horror stories fear begins to set in and I am second guessing Coir, and wondering would Peat be better.

Anyone have any advice, words of wisdom, or friendly suggestions?


Thank you again in advance,
Nervous as her first grow grows nearer,
Darken
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Re: A question brought about by fear of failure. [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5342983 - 02/26/06 09:01 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I use peat and lime and find it works great
coir has too many nutrients to make a good casing


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Re: A question brought about by fear of failure. [Re: noxy]
    #5343042 - 02/26/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I use a mixture of vermiculite, sphagnum peat moss, and coir. If you cannot dedicate time to care for your little guys, avoid coir. If you can spend some time in this hobby and hone your skills, I can't think of a better additive to casing mix than coco coir. Watching your casing and knowing when to trigger pinning is your best way for success.

Spend some time reading some of the posts relating to casings including coir and learn from the people who have had success and failures. Good luck.  :cool:


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Re: A question brought about by fear of failure. [Re: Wronguy]
    #5343075 - 02/26/06 09:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The main post is though the Teks are good on describing casings they aren't too good on illuminating PH, RH and whatnot.

I have plenty of time to spend with them as I am a live at home business women.

Any advice on what to do I was considering as I said 60:40 Verm/Coir with Oyster Shells in a :1 ratio to those and Calcium Carb as needed to reach the right PH, whatever that is lol.....

All ears fellas, all ears.

Darken
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Re: A question brought about by fear of failure. [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5343131 - 02/26/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Oyster shell can be kind of course.

Oyster shell flour is far better.


If you cannot find that.

Try calcium carbonate, from a home brew supply store (instead).


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Re: A question brought about by fear of failure. [Re: agar]
    #5343190 - 02/26/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

How much calcium carbonate per 6:4 ratio?

That is the issue I am having with the cc, I can find info on how much shell to add....also doesn't shell maintain the nice loose nature of your casing layer?

I appreciate the help Agar, as always it is a pleasure to talk to you.

Darken
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    #5343256 - 02/26/06 10:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: A question brought about by fear of failure. [Re: HippieChick]
    #5343351 - 02/26/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

In the 60/40 Coir Tek it lists using Oyster shells, not in much I could appreciate the idea as it will break it a bit so that it might be less likely to have colonization issues.

I'm going to move forward as planned, having absorbed my Teks and planned hard it would be a toss off to change up now. I already changed up once deciding to go from PF Cakes to Rye. Something about the cake mix didn't sit well with me, I made a coupld "dry run" cakes at home prior to picky substrain spores and a vendor, just so I could have some idea of what consistency they ended, then I found my Rye Tek, and as I am a fan doing things well it seemed a step up from cakes, and it was already broken up so in casing cake bruising would be a non issue. Anyway Rye feels more right, same as Coir/Verm casing feels more right, I'm just curious now that you mentioned it HippyChick would adding shells to the coir casing be bad and if so why would it be listed in the Tek...ehh I'll keep reading keep diggin keep posting and keep listening.

Oh and by the way tomorrow is tha magic day, tomorrow I order my 3 lovely prints.

Darken
*eagerly awaits the morrow and 9am (payday)*


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Re: A question brought about by fear of failure. [Re: Darkenshroom]
    #5343428 - 02/26/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Damn Darken, you have exploded on these boards. I have seen your posts elsewhere. You appear to be a well-educated person who is VERY willing to learn and uses excellent reasoning when dealing with this hobby. You will be a definate success. And I wish you luck. We don't have many newcomers like you anymore. :smile:

Anyway, on to your question.  I also read horrid problems with using the 60/40 mix. So, thats why I went with the 50/50/10/5 mix suggested by agar (who you should REALLY trust) in this field. Basically, its 50 peat, 50 verm, a handfull of oyster shell powder, and a bit of coir.

Why the coir? Well, according to agar, he said that due to coir's high colonization ability, it brings the myc to the top quickly. And I completely agree.

I am by no means experienced, and the only casing layer I have used in the past is Jiffy Mix (Peat moss, about 20% verm, and some lime). I had green mold, 3 times, after the first flush. So I switched to 50/50. It seemed MUCH better to me.  Right now, I am in the fruiting stage of my first flush with the 50/50/10/5 mix. Its going very well. I have confidence in the casing layer, despite my bad pinset. (experimentation, check out my signature link)

But I do agree with the above posts. If you can monitor your casings very well, then 60/40 may be good for you, which is what I thought of to begin with.

Either way, good luck!


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