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InvisibleMezcal
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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341785 - 02/26/06 04:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

regular bic lighters work well for me.

sometimes, smoking the same samples of a high quality extract will have different effects on me. sometimes it's like being drunk or on dxm or something, sometimes its like being supremely stoned... other times its like a huge dose of freebase DMT.

i find that it's best to be ready for any of the above, but it generally depends on set and setting more than anything else.


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341787 - 02/26/06 04:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Aw man Im sorry. I dont know anyone who doesnt find salvia to be almost explosive. Ive never used a torch, just a regulare bic.
Even if I have smoked it 3 times in a row with a break inbetween, I can easily feel it and it is always very interesting. Maybee thats because I had tripped about 100 times on other substances before I ever tried it. I dont know what the hell your problem is, and I dont want to call you an idiot.


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341791 - 02/26/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yeah im gonna buy like 30x or 40x next time...

ill have enough that if i need a big dose of that i will have enough

and if it comes to where i actually end up getting reverse tolerance i will have plenty o' plenty of some high dosage 40x salvia to last me a long time.

how long does reverse tolerance last by the way because i might not be able to do this for a while, maybe a month or two i dunno

win/win situation if you ask me. heh


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341796 - 02/26/06 04:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sounds like shitty salvia? Smelled like dirt? Never had any that did this... bad extract?


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InvisibleMezcal
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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341808 - 02/26/06 04:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

for reference, i trip hard off of 1/30 of a gram of 15x. a friend of mine blacked out on 1/15 g.


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341822 - 02/26/06 04:59 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

ive tripped close to 50 times between lsd/shrooms... so i know what the dillyo is.

i dunno, i said a small prayer right before, inhaled and exhaled 20 times or so really deep to expand lungs and took a breath.

like i said i start to feel something.... i think the "Scanning" was the begining of it... but it just wasnt enough to push me over the threshold to start peaking. i was still very aware of my surrondings.

no voices/noise...

CEV, ehh sorta but not really.

OEV, everything just had a slight fuzzyness or blur to it


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341828 - 02/26/06 05:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

yes elgr, i do mean like a cup of fresh soil, it was weird, i mentioned it to several people and had them smell it and they agreed.


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341838 - 02/26/06 05:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

and people trust me, im no idiot who just wants to party..

i cleaned out my bank account, borrowed 50k miles to buy a plane ticket to fly 4500 miles to switzerland for the lsd symposium... by myself mind you, just for knowledge and to learn what "psychedelics" really are.

so i take this very seriously, in a "scientist/explorer" type of way.


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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


Edited by agoutihead (02/26/06 05:03 PM)


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341840 - 02/26/06 05:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

1/10 of a gram of 5x should be more than enough, for instance. i forget what it is you had now...

instead of estimating how long you hold it for why don't you use the clock on your computer and actually time it. after one good hit you should start feeling funky after about 18 seconds

torch lighter is best, some say necessary, some say not. salivinorin requires high temps say the scientists. use a torch lighter if you can.


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5341853 - 02/26/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i really hope i didnt waste the whole gram because i needed a torch and only used a bic lighter.

but i mean i did smoke it and i did leave the bic lighter on for a very long time... it was a SUPER bright orange coal.

i also did get smoke and choked my balls off.



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"When I'm on LSD and hearing something that's pure rhythm, it takes me to another world and into anther brain state where I've stopped thinking and started knowing" - Kevin Herbert

"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


Edited by agoutihead (02/26/06 05:08 PM)


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341876 - 02/26/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"i really hope i didnt waste the whole gram because i needed a torch and only used a bic lighter."

Don't worry, you don't. Might it help? Maybe. Is it the reason that a gram of 10x didn't work at ALL out of a bong? Fuck no.

There is bad salvia out there. Head shop stuff tends to be the worst. We've split grams of their "10x" that caused nothing close to breakthrough. But then there are good sources online (normally yours is one of them... maybe not anymore) that a tiny fraction of a gram of 10x, even 5x (with a normal lighter) will take me places I don't want to be, meaning it worked just dandy.


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5341889 - 02/26/06 05:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Another thing is that you shouldn't be choking like that from salvia. Most people, especially experienced smokers, find the smoke pretty smooth. Maybe the supplier mixed up salvia with bark from an oak tree?


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5341906 - 02/26/06 05:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Better luck next time


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: Lakefingers]
    #5341917 - 02/26/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"Maybe the supplier mixed up salvia with bark from an oak tree?"

Hehe. Really though, I've had 20x salvia that was unbelievably strong that really was tough on my lungs. Simillarly, I've smoked dmt crystal that was unbelievable, but easier on my lungs than salvia, pot, cigarettes, etc. I suppose it depends on the person, and the batch, but doesn't mean much as far as potency goes.


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5341940 - 02/26/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

well i have never been a smoker of cigarettes my whole life... so that is why.

i only started smoking weed about 4-5 years ago... even though i did/do still kinda smoke it very very heavily.

i still choke by balls off to this day on almost each and every hit.

my gf thinks i over re-act or put on a show... but it really makes me choke that much.

i remember going to the doctor when i was younger for slight asthma... so maybe that is a factor.

i dunno.

but i did get it from shamans palace.com... i will try a stronger extract else where next time.

i just like shamans because they send free gifts every time, not based on your order amount.

then again... the free gifts werent really worth it... sure the sacred lotus extract did a lil something... but i would never buy it.

i did get a free MAOI though.


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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341955 - 02/26/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

shamans palace does have AOL... and i have spoken to them once before on instant messanger.. maybe i will complain the next time he is on and maybe he will be nice and send me some more stonger stuff for free.

but if its not supposed to smell like dirt... then im worried that what i got really wasnt real.


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"Psychedelics let you see the world through a child's eye."

"Experience the liquid realm..."

"The evolution of mankind is in the alteration of consciousness" - Dr. Albert Hofmann


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341957 - 02/26/06 05:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

BBB sends gifts too, and their salvia was fucking insane.

But whatever shop it is (and a lot send gifts) it is more often than not something they probably have overstock of. Why the hell else would I keep getting so damn many yopo seeds! hehe. I got some rivea seeds from SP, I wanted to plant them but can't manage to find em. :frown:


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5341969 - 02/26/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

You can bet that it aint the bic lighter. It might be a combination of other factors. BBB is great for sure though.


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: stemmer]
    #5342161 - 02/26/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

were u on edge while taking it? cause the first time i took salvia while i was excited the salvia first relaxed me before letting me breakthrough. But yeah every extract i've come across smelled slightly like tea....well that's the closest thing i can think of.....dirt, really shouldn't describe it from my knowledge? do they have different extracts maybe? from other companies? because i came across a 5x extract that was alot more potent than the 10x i usually got, my advice would be to try a different vendor and just try to remain relaxed and your head clear while you're inhaling.


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Re: salvia sucks! [Re: SapphireCat]
    #5342207 - 02/26/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ive smoked out countless i mean countless people and what Ive learned from that is everyones dosage is different regardless of what they use to smoke with, strength of extract or experience (although heavy users need less cause of the whole reverse tolerance). For one friend it could take a pinch of 10x extract while another friend with exact same smoking conditions can go through 4 or 5 bowls and merely feel a little loopy. You might just have a high tolerance which isn't that uncommon


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