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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: kaniz]
    #5340868 - 02/26/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"People take their experiences way too literally and read too many things into it," Siebert said. "If you take it literally, you really believe you've traveled to other dimensions and met other beings that told you things. Minors are particularly prone to not understanding that."

there they go again... trying to brain wash people into thinking what they are experiencing is not real.

those sonsofbitches asshole motherfuckers!

heh sorry i get mad sometimes.

they also told a story of a lady who seen into the future with every door she opened and saw the death of her child.... now for me i have a child and thats just something i would never want to see! i feel for her if its the truth.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: agoutihead]
    #5340936 - 02/26/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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agoutihead said:
"People take their experiences way too literally and read too many things into it," Siebert said. "If you take it literally, you really believe you've traveled to other dimensions and met other beings that told you things. Minors are particularly prone to not understanding that."

there they go again... trying to brain wash people into thinking what they are experiencing is not real.

those sonsofbitches asshole motherfuckers!

heh sorry i get mad sometimes.






It was Siebert who said that and he's right. Generally speaking minors
are not mature enough to fully understand their experiences. This is why psychedelics should be legalised and regulated.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: abrad84]
    #5340952 - 02/26/06 12:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

no no, i totally agree with not letting minors take it... i was disagreeing with him saying that the dimensions we reach when on psychedelics are not real.

that my friend is total bullshit.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: agoutihead]
    #5340996 - 02/26/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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no no, i totally agree with not letting minors take it... i was disagreeing with him saying that the dimensions we reach when on psychedelics are not real.

that my friend is total bullshit.




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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5341017 - 02/26/06 01:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

A lot of people who I've watched use it, thinking it was just some party drug to take an have a good time, they ended up laying by themselves for half an hour "wishing they could just die"

The kid no knowing what was in for him combined with a shitty home life, could have easily pushed him over the edge. Its sad really that the family doesn't realize what they did to their son.

The government really has no right to limit where we go in our brains, if they think they can regulate our physical world and our mental world, they better be ready to fight me for it.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: mskip23]
    #5341033 - 02/26/06 01:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Why would it ever be demanded of a person to stay alive when they are unwilling?
I don't see how you can differentiate that from slavery.
Society is fucked.

Assuming this boy did have spiritual guidance that pointed him in the direction of suicide... who are we to even say he shouldn't have taken that path?

In reality, any spiritual insight an individual receives is based partially (if not entirely) on the self (as opposed to a plant). Even if salvia was this boy's MEANS of enlightenment, his own mind was the SOURCE. Clearly there were factors that caused his suicide other than salvia... otherwise you'd probably see a whole lot of people killing themselves on salvia. Saying salvia causes suicide is only as realistic as saying Islam causes suicide bombings, or Christianity causes crusades.

Then again... I suppose most of the 'good guys' these days do believe Islam causes suicide bombings... scary world. Hopefully they don't start a war on salvia.


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Know your source.

The most distorted perspective possible is the perspective that yours is not distorted.


Edited by ExplosiveMango (02/26/06 01:17 PM)


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: ExplosiveMango]
    #5341070 - 02/26/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i say they make religion illegal.
it leads to depression, delusions, isolation, and in severe cases suicide.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341083 - 02/26/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

agoutihead said:
no no, i totally agree with not letting minors take it... i was disagreeing with him saying that the dimensions we reach when on psychedelics are not real.

that my friend is total bullshit.




Its all in your mind man. How could they be real.

Maybe we dont have the same def of real :p

But siebert, isnt he the one who first found out about salvinorin A? He's been researchin on it for 20 years man :p



Edited by Grapefruity (02/26/06 01:32 PM)


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5341086 - 02/26/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

This is the kind of absolute bullshit that renders me speechless.

Goddamnit. :banghead:


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: Konnrade]
    #5341106 - 02/26/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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America learned it, but then they realized it made them look bad so they quickly un-learned it and thought of a hasty delusion to shelter their pride.





AMEN

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I don't necessarily think the parents are wicked or some such for blaming the drugs, from their mindset it would seem entirely possible.




That's just it... nothing is truly wicked... the afflictions prevailing in our society today are ignorance and intolerance.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: Psilocyan]
    #5341107 - 02/26/06 01:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

nope actually dr. hofmann and another man i forgot his name found the plant in mexico in the 60's.


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"Experience the liquid realm..."

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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341114 - 02/26/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

hahha, this article is absolutely absurd. At no point is there a link between the salvia and suicide. Its just too easy for the parents to blame his suicide on salvia use alone. If only people in this world were half way intelligent to even consider other factors.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: Grapefruity]
    #5341120 - 02/26/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

agoutihead said:
no no, i totally agree with not letting minors take it... i was disagreeing with him saying that the dimensions we reach when on psychedelics are not real.

that my friend is total bullshit.






Its all in your mind man. How could they be real.

Maybe we dont have the same def of real :p

But siebert, isnt he the one who first found out about salvinorin A? He's been researchin on it for 20 years man :p






http://www.sagewisdom.org/danielsiebert.html

I don't think he discovered it but he is one of the most foremost reseachers on Salvia.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: Nephlyte]
    #5341133 - 02/26/06 01:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Well, i'm glad that mother and father now have solace in being able to blame a drug they have never used nor researched (nor has the author of this article researched) on their son's death. Its easy to blame a drug instead of perhaps, talking to your son once in a while.

Perhaps learning why he might have killed himself, being involved in his life? Nope, it was probably the drug.




yeah yeah, but what do you expect? that the parents was gonna sit down and browse the shroomery for true informatin on a plant when they have no intrests in ethnobotany or whatever after the loss of a child? i wouldnt judge the parents too hard on this one, do you know what happend here, really? is the parents to blame? can we sit on this message board and judge them as bad parents? does that makes us any better than them? i do agree the plant is not to blame. but the parents probably base it on what they saw and couldnt understand.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5341276 - 02/26/06 02:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Quote:

agoutihead said:
no no, i totally agree with not letting minors take it... i was disagreeing with him saying that the dimensions we reach when on psychedelics are not real.

that my friend is total bullshit.




I SECOND.




Exactly, They AREN'T real! Everything you experience with psychedellics is inside of your own brain, it's not an actual place and none of it is actual things. Hallucinations feel real, it's why they are so intense, but they are not reality! A sensible person knows that.

To those who disagree: come on now, do you honestly beleive you're travelling to a real place where your thoughts alone can alter the entire substance of the "location" you occupy?

I think it's very important not to delude yourself to the point where you start thinking your dream states are an actual reality, that's opening the door and putting out a newspaper ad inviting all sorts of crazy into your head.

I'm glad some of the people here are very aware of the realities of the matter.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: Konnrade]
    #5341299 - 02/26/06 02:45 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so are you saying that our conciousness (<-- i know i spelled that wrong so sue me!) dimension is the only dimension that actually exsists?


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: agoutihead]
    #5341403 - 02/26/06 03:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'll try and put this in the right words, but symantics for this kind of subject can be daunting :crazy:

The "reality" you experience under the influence of psychedellics is an actual experience, it is a valid memory, and it is a form of reality... however it is not a TANGIBLE reality, it is not necessarily true, and should not be thought of in any literal sense, because that can be dangerous. You can easily experience something in a psychedellic experience that seems very true to you, but is actually very false and could be very bad for you. Take this "reality" with a grain of salt and apply your own wisdom to it... it should not be regarded the way you regard tangible reality, which is always true and can be measured, quantized, studied. Psychedellic reality is not a real "dimension", it's just a stream of consciousness that you have to make sense of, it's entirely the result of your own mind, and the human mind is a very flawed thing that should not be trusted without scrutiny.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: shriek]
    #5341449 - 02/26/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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shriek said:
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Nephlyte said:
Well, i'm glad that mother and father now have solace in being able to blame a drug they have never used nor researched (nor has the author of this article researched) on their son's death. Its easy to blame a drug instead of perhaps, talking to your son once in a while.

Perhaps learning why he might have killed himself, being involved in his life? Nope, it was probably the drug.




yeah yeah, but what do you expect? that the parents was gonna sit down and browse the shroomery for true informatin on a plant when they have no intrests in ethnobotany or whatever after the loss of a child? i wouldnt judge the parents too hard on this one, do you know what happend here, really? is the parents to blame? can we sit on this message board and judge them as bad parents? does that makes us any better than them? i do agree the plant is not to blame. but the parents probably base it on what they saw and couldnt understand.




ditto*


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Hunter S. Thompson.


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: Konnrade]
    #5341457 - 02/26/06 03:23 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I think there is no this reality and that reality... our perception of what is is highly limited to what our senses can take in and to tell you the truth our senses aren't very good. Psychadelics lead us to perceive other things that we wouldn't usually perceive. They are imo as much real as our 'normal reality' is. Who can say how much of reality we are actualy taking in through what our senses give us. Imo not very much, through meditation or a spiritual path one can be led to perceive much more what is and psychadelics can take you to places where you perceive things in ways you wouldn't perceive them... the things perceived though are no more real or unreal than the things we usually perceive (since that what we usually perceive cannot be taken as the absolute 'reality' since our senses just aren't very good)...
hmm ok.. my thoughs


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Re: LSD-like herb blamed in Delaware teen's suicide [Re: BMArts]
    #5341496 - 02/26/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Indeed, in an altered state, we are simply experiencing the same reality, just in different ways.


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