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Coffee, anyone?
    #5340163 - 02/26/06 04:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Jim]
    #5340166 - 02/26/06 04:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yes please, I could use another one :thumbup: :laugh:


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: stefan]
    #5340178 - 02/26/06 05:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

anybody starting to notice just how bad coffee is for you and how much damage it's really doing?


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5340181 - 02/26/06 05:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Mitchnast said:
anybody starting to notice just how bad coffee is for you and how much damage it's really doing?




Eh? Is this based on quantifiable information, or just some kind of vague feeling?

Coffee obviously shouldn't be abused, but there's plenty of evidence that it actually has health benefits when used safely. Like lots of things.
http://www.mothernature.com/Library/articles/index.cfm/id/24838


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Phluck]
    #5340187 - 02/26/06 05:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the site is selling coffee.

"some kind of vague feeling"

I'm an addict and cannot function withought it. you say "vague" I only drink 2 cups a day, sometimes less.

"Causes insomnia, anxiety, and irritability." effectively outweighs ANY preceived benefit.

do you know how bad insomnia and anxiety are? they are like the WORST two things ever. they shave decades off your life.
and coffee DIRECTLY creates this situation.


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5340196 - 02/26/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

caffiene and nicotine have been shown to be neuroprotective
-cant say the same for the heart-


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5340199 - 02/26/06 06:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'll drink to that :coffee:


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5340206 - 02/26/06 06:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Benefits:
? May reduce the risk of suicide among women.
? Helps prevent gallstones and symptomatic gallbladder disease in men.
? Contains caffeine-related compounds (theophylline) that can alleviate the symptoms of asthma in some cases.
? Can increase alertness and prolong waking hours.
? May improve short-term recall.
? Promotes the effectiveness of certain migraine drugs.
? May reduce the risk of cirrhosis of the liver among heavy drinkers.
? May postpone muscle fatigue and thus enhance athletic performance and endurance.
? May protect against free radical damage to tissues ? one study found that coffee has more antioxidant activity than red wine, green or black tea, or orange juice.

Risks:
? Increases blood pressure among people with high blood pressure.
? Causes insomnia, anxiety, and irritability.
? May worsen symptoms of PMS in some women.
? Can reduce fertility in women trying to conceive.
? Can cause heartburn and indigestion.
? May increase the risk of osteoporosis in postmenopausal women.
? May increase blood levels of homocysteine and the associated risk of cardiovascular disease.

of the risk list, i suffer from those that pertain to men.
of the benifit list, the same can be said, but i also do not have asthma or gallstones, nor am I a heavy drinker nor athelete. so I suppose the benefit is that coffee makes me "alert"

However im up most of the night with acid reflux and sometimes wake up with axiety so bad that I feel like just getting up and punching myself in the face, I can't wake in the morning, at least not withought a coffee.
if I have high blood pressure, im sure coffee is making it higher, not to mention the sleep depravation and stress.
funny, i feel a burning inside, and a certain grouchyness, and if i drink coffee, its gone, poof, cured.
but i diddnt have that burn and that grump before i started drinking coffee. I call that dependance. and therefore damage. doesn't seem vague to me.

2 cups a day or less, thats all. Im quite sure that falls under "safe" practices.

oh, and i really like this one "May increase blood levels of homocysteine and the associated risk of cardiovascular disease."

thats like saying snorting coke doesn't hurt you, its the cardiac complications associated with stimulants that get you.


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5340217 - 02/26/06 06:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Mitchnast, have u tried Yerba Mate?

it has a different active chemical called Mateine
http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/yer_02.htm


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: fresh313]
    #5340218 - 02/26/06 06:31 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: fresh313]
    #5340222 - 02/26/06 06:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yA, its an infinitely debatable point Dade
the only true way is a bio-assay


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #5340223 - 02/26/06 06:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

just what i need :P


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: fresh313]
    #5340228 - 02/26/06 06:49 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What's debatable there? Erowid's chemistry appears sound, there ARE NO STEREOISOMERS possible for caffeine. Therefore, tests that indicated the presence of caffeine in mate cannot be faulted on the argument that they were actually detecting some stereoisomer of caffeine (mateine), since no such isomer exists.

Unless someone can point to a study that identifies a truly unique structure for this supposedely unique compound, then there is no argument to be made. No bioassay necessary.

The fact is that a subjective bioassay would be confounded by many other factors such as the presence/concentration of other active xanthines, and the idiosyncracies of the individual.


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: DadeMurphy]
    #5340232 - 02/26/06 06:55 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

so what you are saying is the stimulant in yerba mate is simple caffine because caffine has no variants?



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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Jim]
    #5340241 - 02/26/06 07:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'll have a cup Jim!!


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Mitchnast]
    #5340242 - 02/26/06 07:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

Mitchnast said:
"Causes insomnia, anxiety, and irritability." effectively outweighs ANY preceived benefit.

do you know how bad insomnia and anxiety are? they are like the WORST two things ever. they shave decades off your life.
and coffee DIRECTLY creates this situation.




this depends on your personality type, for me coffee is a relaxant, I dont
suffer from insomnia, anxiety ot irritability when I drink coffee, I say I'm
addicted but in all honesty I dont suffer from withdrawal symptoms when I go
several days without the 'drug' in the years before my heavy coffee use I did
suffer from anxiety and insomnia, coffee doesnt create these peoblems, your mind does


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5340691 - 02/26/06 11:27 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Like, I'm so sure I just convince myself that I have bad heartburn, and the Tums? a placebo.  somehow I just convinced myself that it ONLY happens exactly 2 hours after I drink coffee, what a TRULY complicated creature I am.
Also its now clear to me that im only thinking that i'm so tired I can hardly keep my head up withought the mental suggestion of having had a cup of coffee.

That sick twitchy headache nervous feeling I get in the middle of the night? oh thats just my personality interfereing with my sleep cycles, my bodies natural defence against good health.
furthermore, coffee doesn't make you temporarily  "alert" either, it simply gives you a vice to convince yourself MENTALLY that you are somehow awake.  And heart disease? eh, people who die obviously just lack faith. hey, I should start drinking decaf, that should keep me awake, after all, its all mental anyway.

Stimulants don't have negative effects, it's all in my head, yah.

man, why am I so messed up? here I am saying I'm dependant on caffine when really it's %100 my personality type?

How about I switch to decaf?
for a week, and we will see if I still have the anxiety.
I've done it before, for the first few days I will be pretty damn tired, but I will be able to sleep anxiety-free.
I will post about how things have changed, if im still feeling the axiety, I will be honest.

logically if coffee doesnt negatively effect my mind, I should still be up half the night.

Or am i just doomed to be always wrong about myself because of my sensitive-reactive stress-actualizing personality type?  :smile:


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Jim]
    #5340739 - 02/26/06 11:45 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I like coffee.  I like smoking and drinking a steaming cup of black coffee. :drooling:


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Boom]
    #5340814 - 02/26/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Word, Boooom. I love how the flavor of a dutchmaster filled with dank and hash swirls and comingles with my slightly sweetened black hazelnut coffee.


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Re: Coffee, anyone? [Re: Boom]
    #5340834 - 02/26/06 12:14 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Booooom said:
I like coffee.  I like smoking and drinking a steaming cup of black coffee. :drooling:




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