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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
    #9260090 - 11/17/08 02:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Aw, does that mean you're not expecting?  :lol:

Relaxation is the most important technique for reducing pain.  Our "normal" response to painful sensations is tensing up, which intensifies the sensation.  If you can teach yourself to respond to non-life-threatening pain (i.e. a migraine & not a shark biting into your leg. :wink:) with relaxation rather than tension, you will decrease the pain.

One's beliefs/attitudes regarding pain also effect pain perception.  If one believes that pain is "bad" "wrong" "dangerous" etc... (all ancient responses to the threat pain supposedly represents), one's perception of pain will be heightened.  My classes & research into pain management during labor & childbirth described a rational disputation process through which one ascertains whether the sensation is actually threatening, and deliberately assigns new descriptors to the experience.

For example, rather than viewing the sensation of soreness after a workout as evidence of harm, and therefore "bad" "wrong" "dangerous," one might recognize that muscles are built through a process of microscopic tearing & healing, and understand that lactic acid is released during this process.  New descriptors might be "positive training results" or "healing process" or "muscle building success."

I have much more, but probably shouldn't derail this thread any further.  PM me if you want more details.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: Veritas]
    #9264936 - 11/18/08 10:53 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

I was curious, so I did a quick wiki check for scientific claims.

"Neither the existence of ki nor any mechanism for its manipulation are scientifically proven, and a systematic review of randomized clinical trials conducted in 2008 did not support the efficacy of reiki or its recommendation for use in the treatment of any condition."

Lee, MS; MH Pittler, E Ernst (2008). "Effects of reiki in clinical practice: a systematic review of randomized clinical trials". International Journal of Clinical Practice 62: 947.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: Arden]
    #9265029 - 11/18/08 11:16 AM (13 years, 2 months ago)

TY, that is what I have been saying all along.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: Arden]
    #9265149 - 11/18/08 12:02 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Arden said:
I was curious, so I did a quick wiki check for scientific claims.

"Neither the existence of ki nor any mechanism for its manipulation are scientifically proven, and a systematic review of randomized clinical trials conducted in 2008 did not support the efficacy of reiki or its recommendation for use in the treatment of any condition."

Lee, MS; MH Pittler, E Ernst (2008). "Effects of reiki in clinical practice: a systematic review of randomized clinical trials". International Journal of Clinical Practice 62: 947.





Right.

I know a reiki "master". He's kind of a joke. He's into every new age piece of nonsense that makes it to market. He makes his living off the gullible. I even got suckered in once.:blush: But it won't happen again. It was a waste of good money.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: Icelander]
    #9265240 - 11/18/08 12:29 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

It was a waste of good money.




Not if you learned something impotent.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9271865 - 11/19/08 01:41 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Wetther Chi is real or not, personally I have had interesting experences practicing Chi Kung. I am able to move ice cold energy feeling through out my body. Its like dumping icecold water down my whole body.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: p4kSouL]
    #9272033 - 11/19/08 02:30 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Chi is real, scientists just get all pissy because they fail at measuring it.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: mushroom people]
    #9272085 - 11/19/08 02:42 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

dude, if something can't be measured, it doesn't exist.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deranger]
    #9272727 - 11/19/08 05:03 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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deranger said:
dude, if something can't be measured, it doesn't exist.



i'm sure for someone doing ChiKung or other "energy work"
-at least something- can be measured.

maybe today we lack the technological equipment.
or maybe the only thing which can be measured is certain areas in the brain,
which do not light up in people who do not do the "energy work".



i'm probably wrong but,
when we are "sober", and therefor experiencing "real reality",
the only thing with which we can measure to prove that "real reality" exist...

is
a) because we experience it
and
b) because certain areas in the brain light up

in other words,
there is not much more proof for the existance of "real reality",
than for phenomenoms such as "spiritual enlightenment" or "chi"..


Edited by lobotomix (11/19/08 05:10 PM)


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: lobotomix]
    #9272762 - 11/19/08 05:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

there is not much more proof for the existance of "real reality",
than for phenomeons such as "spiritual enlightenment" or "spiritual energy"..


Since there is absolutely no evidence of enlightenment or spiritual energy. Any proof kicks it's ass. However I disagree that there is "not much" proof  of concrete reality.

However being delusional or ignorant makes it easy to dismiss it.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: Icelander]
    #9272776 - 11/19/08 05:10 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

P.S. isn't it like,
kind of proven that the way we experience ourself and this world
is a product of the brain?

so if we are in pain or in pleasure,
it can be proven to be a chemically manifactured illusion.

so it's not because someone's "illusionary pain" can be made disapear,
that it's not helpful... because even though it's illusionary its very real.


Edited by lobotomix (11/19/08 05:16 PM)


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: lobotomix]
    #9272811 - 11/19/08 05:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)


P.S. isn't it like,
kind of proven that the way we experience ourself and this world
is a product of the brain?


This says nothing about the non existence of concrete reality.

Chemicals are real. They are part of the physical reality of US.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deranger]
    #9272814 - 11/19/08 05:16 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

deranger said:
dude, if something can't be measured, it doesn't exist.





That is absurd. Do you think that radiation didn't exist before science developed a method to detect and measure it?


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: Icelander]
    #9272856 - 11/19/08 05:23 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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Icelander said:
This says nothing about the non existence of concrete reality.

Chemicals are real. They are part of the physical reality of US.



i do agree that there is such thing as objective reality,
like physical matter, chemicals, ...

but if the chemistry in the brain changes,
so does the way one experiences "reality".

if i physically hurt you,
the only 3 things which can be measured that u have been hurt is:
a) your experience (subjective)
b) the part of the body that is hurt will show traces
c) certain area in the brain light up

if someone practices chi, or experience spiritual enlightenment,
the only 2 (?) things which (to this date?) can be measured are:
a) their experience
b) certain area in the brain light up
c) certain traces of physical change in the body which have not been able to be measured to this day?



so there's not really more evidence for the existance of real things such as pain...
than for phenomena like CHI and Spiritual Enlightenment?


Edited by lobotomix (11/19/08 06:21 PM)


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: lobotomix]
    #9272884 - 11/19/08 05:28 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

the part of the body that is hurt will show traces.

(you mean like a gaping wound that might just cause death?)


certain traces of physical change in the body which have not been able to be measured to this day?

Are you telling me there is no difference between those two sentences.

HINT: The last one is just conjecture or wishful thinking.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: mushroom people]
    #9272927 - 11/19/08 05:37 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

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mushroom people said:
Chi is real, scientists just get all pissy because they fail at measuring it.




Scientists don't "get all pissy" - they don't care, because it's not relevant. They know Chi is imaginary. It's the people who think it's a real force that get pissy when you tell them it's all in their head. Science is concerned with actual, real phenomena, not Eastern philosophy.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: zouden]
    #9273047 - 11/19/08 05:58 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Remember when the chi-nuts got all excited when an alleged chi master was able to knock students over without touching them?

Then a skeptic visited the dojo and was completely unaffected. Once again proving the power of S-Rays to block even mighty chi.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9273104 - 11/19/08 06:07 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

What about those monks that could supposedly dry the wet towels on their backs? Was that ever disproven? I only saw brief moments of this on a video some time ago.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: Kupo]
    #9273135 - 11/19/08 06:11 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

Changing your body temperature while difficult, is not impossible and does not violate any known law of physics nor require the addition of any mysterious chi force. There is no 'action at a distance'.


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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #9273158 - 11/19/08 06:15 PM (13 years, 2 months ago)

The problem being that the true believer does not want to know the difference.


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