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 Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping  [Re: deCypher]
#9252747 - 11/15/08 11:51 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Depression is also subjective, is it not? I have already addressed this.
Do you enjoy getting me to repeat myself?
Do you enjoy getting me to repeat myself?
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deCypher
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Addressed this in this thread, or in a long-ago depression thread?
Refresh me on your ideas on depression, please. Clinical depression is something that is not typically alleviated simply by the power of positive thinking.
Any mental experience is de facto subjective. The interesting part is how an objective measure (the administration of a placebo pill) can affect a subjective experience.
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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
#9252770 - 11/15/08 11:57 PM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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What is so interesting about the fact that changing how you think will change how you think? I find nothing puzzling in this.
I am going to test the ultimate placebo. Using the power of alcohol, I will magically transform homely ladies into highly alluring vixens, especially at closing time...
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Beer goggles, along with music and other things of that nature, are likewise currently unexplainable.
OC, what are your view on consciousness? It seems that your viewpoint is overwhelmingly materialistic, and yet I'm at a loss to understand how you reconcile mental experience with a physical phenomenon within the neural substrate.
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you are right, i have proved nothing. and in the same sense, you have proved nothing. besides that all pre-conceived notions, logical conclusions and assumptions are subjective, and no more than a mental construct set in place to fill in the gaps of our knowing. i admire you, and love you who disagree with me. without knowing, you have stated the same thing that a Buddha has observed. you can only have knowing if you have wisdom, you can only have wisdom from experience. we must come to the realization that there are many facets, levels, and layers of reality or consciousness where in what you experience is what is real. everything is relative besides the fact that we are, for we all experience that. Experience makes something a relative knowing (relative to the population that experiences something else), instead of a relative lie. many times i have forced myself to believe something and KNOW that it is true. and what happened? it was true.
e.g. my will i no longer have smelly farts (if you knew me you would understand the significance of this;))
and now i no longer have smelly farts, even to those who seem to be outside my own relm of conscious knowing (the truth is they aren't)
my will i no longer get punked and looked at funny when walking through the deep streets of north highlands because i am wearing sandles, a tiedye shirt with a heart, and ripped, red and black cut-off shorts.
so now my will is done because it is the truth.
you dont believe in healing, and you will find no healing, because there is none. that is until someone with a higher consciousness than you starts butting in, and hijacking your reality.
i find that two people have to agree that each one thinks the other is wrong for there to be an argument, but what happens when you know and agree that every single thing some one tells you is true?
"Do I contradict myself? Very well, I contradict myself. (I am large, I contain multitudes.)"
stay at the center, and you are another me
Namaste
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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
#9252804 - 11/16/08 12:04 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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OC, what are your view on consciousness?
I am certain that you could be more vague and unfocused if you really tried.
Look up my thread with 'purple' in the title. Not a joke.
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Mmmkay, so you deny the existence of purple simply because it's a subjective experience?
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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
#9252866 - 11/16/08 12:16 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Beer goggles are likewise currently unexplainable.
Please don't make such definitive statments unless you know of what you speak.
Alcohol depresses the neo-cortex and higher functions.
The 'reptilian' brain is largely responsibile for fighting, fleeing and fucking and is not as deeply affected.
Being picky over a bed partner is partly genetic and partly cultural.
If the cultural part is repressed, you suddenly have more potential lovers. At closing time, your animal nature would rather have a less than optimal partner than none at all.
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Being unable to demonstrate something sez it all. Anecdotes are meaningless.
Randi Million Dollar Challenge.
There are only 231 subjective 'reason's why paranormalists won't even take it and only one objective reason. They cannot do what they say or believe. Everything else is mindless jibber-jabber. It has nothing to do with my mindset or 'vibrational' level.
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This explains the urge, but not the increase in attractiveness in the partner, which is a subjectively phenomenal experience.
I find it difficult to explain how the addition of ethanol into a biomechanical system can change the mental experience of objective reality.
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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
#9252923 - 11/16/08 12:27 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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No, but when you look closely, the 'purple' is no where to be found; just like consciousness.
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Are you saying consciousness is an illusion and that you're purely a biomechanical automaton?
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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
#9252960 - 11/16/08 12:36 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is there really such thing as a forest or is it just an illusion? If it is real then how many trees make up a forest? Two, three, a hundred, a thousand?
Does one stimulus response or one neuron make up consciousness? A hundred, a thousand, a million?
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I agree that consciousness is not a black and white thing; but assuming that consciousness is a matter of degree only leads to panpsychism.
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Quote:
OrgoneConclusion said:
Being unable to demonstrate something sez it all. Anecdotes are meaningless.
Randi Million Dollar Challenge.
There are only 231 subjective 'reason's why paranormalists won't even take it and only one objective reason. They cannot do what they say or believe. Everything else is mindless jibber-jabber. It has nothing to do with my mindset or 'vibrational' level.
you are right. if you cant demonstrate something (thus meaning that you would have to experience that something) then it wont exist.....to you. you would just be lying to yourself though, unless you actually attempted, or were in a position where "something unexplainable" was supposed to happen, but it didn't. dont take someone elses word for it, even if they have said proof. once you want to apply something, and then feel its effects, then it is real. of course if its your thing, i guess there is nothing wrong with lieing to yourself. i dont want to prove anything, i just like seeing how many different ways i can say the same thing (apparently there is one/none/and all ways to express this, so i am set for eternity  )
i cant speak for other people of the trade, but personally i wouldn't care enough about the million dollar challenge to even lift a single tachyon of our power to prove something exists. or to prove anything exists for that matter.
but just to through it out there (not trying to convert anyone, or shift any paradigms. but because i see a possible resonance between you and the subject) you should check out chaos magick. (or not)
IO, IO Kia!
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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deCypher]
#9253005 - 11/16/08 12:50 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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I find it difficult to explain how the addition of ethanol into a biomechanical system can change the mental experience of objective reality.
I don't. Then again, I am the Swamster.
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unless you actually attempted, or were in a position where "something unexplainable" was supposed to happen, but it didn't.
You are unique in being only the 502nd member to assume that I have not investigated deeply with an open mindset.
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Now's the feast, OC.
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Re: Kundalini Reiki and Tripping [Re: deranger]
#9253079 - 11/16/08 01:06 AM (14 years, 6 months ago) |
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Now's the time to be bored to tears.
Seems no one can bring anything new to the table just old already debunked myths and practices. The truly sad part is that believe they are sharing something fresh and useful.
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Damn, my bad. my fault in communication. i didn't mean it that way.
i in no way thought that you haven't already looked into this(haha, so lots of people think you are closed minded?). but man, that is something. well, you can either accept it, or keep trying. but let me tell you. once you actually get yourself to believe something so much that it actually comes true.... its pretty nice. when i did it though, i always used the collective unconscious to get my work done. you would be surprised as to how much "reality hacking" and subconscious programming you can do when you learn how to use the collective unconsciousness properly.
as for my thoughts on consciousness...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/9247336/an/0/page/0
there you go.
well, beautiful talking to you guys. (i actually enjoy people who make my think for a change)
good night
have fun
and remember.....even the greatest cosmic joker is too serious.
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