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Thoughts on the reason for the production of Psilocybin
    #5337472 - 02/25/06 09:40 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ive been pondering this for a few, my ideas so far are mostly based on speculation and a snipet here and there that ive come accross.

To get right down to it ther is a controversy regarding what purpose the mushroom produces psilocybin/psilocin its active mind altering chemical.

The most logical explaination would be that its a defense mechanism, a sort of message to any animal willing to eat it that it should be left alone. This idea is much akin to a number of poisonous plants and animals in which this is evedent.

where the controversy comes in is there is now belief that psilocybin/psilocin is just that a way to make sure the Genus survives and propagates, but in a sort of different manner than i mentioned above. Its being proposed that the purpose of the chemical is because we like it and will reproduce it, rather than a deterant.

Now when i first read about this i was more than skeptical, but it was a very interesting idea. As i did more and more research into the subject of Psilocybin fungi i started leaning more towrd this idea being correct for the following reasons.

Alot of people do love the effects of this drug and have used it for centuries and centuris, and it will probobly allways be cultivated, as it has been for many years.

The active psilocin is very close to a chemical(DMT a powerfull psechedelic drug in its own right) that is produced by our own brains and they believe has alot to do with dreaming etc., and also the chemical seritonin which is a chemical our brain produces to regulate mood and a number of other functions.

DMT-chemical structure


Seritonin-chemical structure


Psilocin-chemical structure

this correlation interested me and brought me to start believing the theory about the purpose of psilocin being a means for propagation because we like it.

there was one other very interesting snip-it i read somewhere about the distrobution of these species of fungi. Particularly that they only grow wild around PEOPLE.

Think about it, cow pasture and grazing grounds for cattle on obviously developed land. IE, Cubensis Pan Cyan, Lib Cap.

or on landscaped areas in wood mulch. IE, Psil Cyan, Psil Fib/Friscosa, Psil Azure, etc

Even Pann Subbs, on bails of hay, well fetilized lawns, and horse chips.


They are very rarley if ever found in truly wild habitats, like forests and such. They allways stick aroundf PEOPLE.

Ill try to find references for all the info i can a little later, all of this was off the top of my head.


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Re: Thoughts on the reason for the production of Psilocybin [Re: sui]
    #5337529 - 02/25/06 10:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, within "Food of The Gods" by Terrence McKenna, he has a pretty interesting description of not only the relationship mushrooms have with human developed land, but with their actual role in human evolution. Call it bullshit if you want, but its just as good as any other explanation, and its definitely x100 more interesting.

Also he claims that the original "Tree of Knowledge" or the missing link in human evolution was Psilocybin and Psilocin, and that the early humans that integrated mushrooms into their diet, took the upper hand in the evolutionary ladder and eventually emerged as Homo Sapiens.

Its seems like this book would probably be right up your alley, I recommend it.


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Re: Thoughts on the reason for the production of Psilocybin [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5337608 - 02/25/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Kind of along the same lines as pot.... it was cultivated and propogated for the THC, and has been sucessively bred to produce more and more of it.... originally defense? or was it the hapstance that it had a chem that matched a receptor in the body? I would also think that this would mean there's species that do not have receptors for thc, therefore negating the defense theory...

interesting to think about.


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Re: Thoughts on the reason for the production of Psilocybin [Re: mediman0078]
    #5337938 - 02/25/06 01:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Except Mushrooms were not cultivated by man, the Mushrooms grew as a by-product of cattle herding and husbandry


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Re: Thoughts on the reason for the production of Psilocybin [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5337963 - 02/25/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

it's always been my belief that it originally was a defense mechanism to ward off hungry animals(humans included). think about this; you're a rather simple animal with limited brain function, you're very hungry because this is the wild and you have to catch your own food(microwaves aren't around), you stumble upon a patch of fleshy mushrooms, do you eat it? remember,you're very hungry. so you decide to eat it, this fills your stomach, you're no longer concerned with the thought of trying to find food for now. thirty minutes later you don't know where you are, who you are, what you are, and you're hearing and seeing things. do you think you would have enjoyed you're first trip if you didn't know what you had taken, or had taken them accidentely? i wouldn't think so. therefore the animal will never eat those mushrooms again, allowing them to sporulate and produce more mushrooms and continue the species.


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Re: Thoughts on the reason for the production of Psilocybin [Re: shafty]
    #5337981 - 02/25/06 01:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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shafty said:
it's always been my belief that it originally was a defense mechanism to ward off hungry animals(humans included). think about this; you're a rather simple animal with limited brain function, you're very hungry because this is the wild and you have to catch your own food(microwaves aren't around), you stumble upon a patch of fleshy mushrooms, do you eat it? remember,you're very hungry. so you decide to eat it, this fills your stomach, you're no longer concerned with the thought of trying to find food for now. thirty minutes later you don't know where you are, who you are, what you are, and you're hearing and seeing things. do you think you would have enjoyed you're first trip if you didn't know what you had taken, or had taken them accidentely? i wouldn't think so. therefore the animal will never eat those mushrooms again, allowing them to sporulate and produce more mushrooms and continue the species.




some dogs love eating mushrooms...


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Re: Thoughts on the reason for the production of Psilocybin [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5338024 - 02/25/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

as do humans and squirrels


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Re: Thoughts on the reason for the production of Psilocybin [Re: EquilibriuM]
    #5338028 - 02/25/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

italian mountain goats have been observed eating Libs for hours.


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Re: Thoughts on the reason for the production of Psilocybin [Re: ClammyJoe]
    #5338032 - 02/25/06 01:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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TheMadConductor said:
Except Mushrooms were not cultivated by man, the Mushrooms grew as a by-product of cattle herding and husbandry





what about the Woodluvers? How do u connect those to cattle?

a by product of cattle herding? plz elaborate.


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Re: Thoughts on the reason for the production of Psilocybin [Re: sui]
    #5338086 - 02/25/06 02:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

he's right. and you should really read that book, food of the gods. its a good one. cows were worshiped because of the mushrooms they brought... people and magic mushrooms have shared an unorthodox symbiotic relationship for quite a while now...


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