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Animal Bedding As Substrate
    #5336385 - 02/24/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I recently experimented with four differnet types of animal bedding (pine, cedar chips, a type of softwood, and aspen wood) all can be found at Pet Co. I also mixed all four of these with manure. So I had about 8 different types of substrate. The bags of just bedding colonized very slowly and the combo collonized as quickly as a grain jar. Being as all the bags were inoculated from the same dikaryotic organism and bags of just bedding colonized slower i decided to combine a bag of bedding with a combo bag of similar bedding hoping the mycelium would run up through the bedding(casing layer 3inches thick with 1.5 inch of vermiculite on bottom and top). It did not. Upon placing the trays into the terrariums i could smell a strange oder. Never had I experienced this substrate before, so I decided to go ahead and put them in and check the next day. Next day came and man did it smell. Upon casing examination the mycelium looked to not have regrown whatsoever and the whole thing smelled like a 3.5 sqft bacteria. The bags of manure and bedding did the same thing except they didnt make it to the terrarium. Im in the process of a mostly manure and Aspen bedding mix. If anyone has experienced this before please let me know.

Also Ive thought about spraying down the casing with a mix of water and calcium carbonate or sulfate after you place the tubs in the terrarium and after each flush to control contamination. If anyone has tried this or knows anything about, POST :smirk:


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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: defcheck]
    #5336899 - 02/25/06 01:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Have you been successful by following any grow logs? Yea it doesn;t seem like the cubes would like any animal bedding other than coir, I too have staired at the bedding at petsmart, probably cause I was ripped though...


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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: liloldme]
    #5336923 - 02/25/06 01:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

coir is used as a bedding?
btw, your experiments are a waste of time and money. wood based anything will not supply any nutrients at all to Psilocybe Cubensis, no matter what strain ect ect.
You just wasted a bunch of your time/money.
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do more research before embarking on an experimental quest with expectations of becoming a legend for miraculous feats in the field of mycology.

...sorry, i kinda went into a trance for a minute there, lol.


just do more research next time.

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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: NESpores]
    #5336942 - 02/25/06 01:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

coir is bedding for frogs...


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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: liloldme]
    #5337725 - 02/25/06 11:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I have been very successful using the birdseed tek and didnt do anything different than before except substrate. Im confused when you say cubensis cant be supplied nutrients by anything wood based, what about card board. And why just cubensis and not any medicinal or gourmet mushroom as well. NO IT WASNT A WAIST OF TIME I PRACTICED MY TECHNIQUES AND LEARNED NOT TO USE ANIMAL BEDDING


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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: defcheck]
    #5338246 - 02/25/06 03:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Coir works as a substrate, when spawned to...

Coir is a bedding for reptiles.


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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: defcheck]
    #5338406 - 02/25/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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NO IT WASNT A WAIST OF TIME I PRACTICED MY TECHNIQUES AND LEARNED NOT TO USE ANIMAL BEDDING




Damn right. Don't let unimaginative naysayers who can do nothing more then blindly follow the instructions of their betters discourage you from experimenting. Those teks the conservative purists follow were all developed through experimentation.


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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: defcheck]
    #5338722 - 02/25/06 06:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

<<Im confused when you say cubensis cant be supplied nutrients by anything wood based, what about card board.

Cardboard is glued together with starch (a kind of sugar.
Ive tried cardboard and was not impressed because it dried too fast. Im sure it has worked for some but not me.

My favorite method is straight cooked brown rice, in jars and boiled covered for ~30 min.


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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: ALHOFF177A17]
    #5338872 - 02/25/06 07:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

When i say what about card board I mean all wood based products. What about the Bible tek you cant tell me those shrooms were not cubensis. I've seen where spores have been germinated on cardboard. Not only that but doesnt every mushroom thrive on woody debris for example wood chips.


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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: defcheck]
    #5339709 - 02/25/06 11:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If you don't mind paying for the experience, go for it.

I've considered buying pine pellets, aspen, and several others when brousing petsmart, but always hesitate. I AM curious as to how quickly those various subs would colonize, and what the contamination potentials are.

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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: Rahz]
    #5339749 - 02/25/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The colonization of all the bags of bedding (pine, cedar chips, aspen, and softwood) was slow. The combo's were fairly quick (14 days). None smelled of contamination when I cased them and the bags smelled of sweet mycelium. I just wonder if there is some kind of fungicide or some chemical that activated when it was introduced to high volumes of oxygen (in front of my flow hood).


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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: defcheck]
    #5339787 - 02/25/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

>>>>The colonization of all the bags of bedding (pine, cedar chips, aspen, and softwood) was slow.

Hmm, is that pine pellets? I though spawning to well hydrated pellets might be a quick run, guess I'll stick to crushed cob. How are you spawning them?

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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: Rahz]
    #5339810 - 02/25/06 11:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It isnt pine pellets its a sort of fluffy woody material "Pets Pick Pine Bedding" inoculated with grain spawn. It says right on the bag "All PetsPick bedding is natural, biodegradable and makes great compost and mulch material" quoted right off the bag. WHAT THE HELL DID I DO WRONG "and makes great compost and mulch material" what else are we looking for. And the Aspen says right on the front 100% sterile I thought that would be a plus. I will find out in a week or so if the Aspen/Manure mix will work.


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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: defcheck]
    #5339821 - 02/25/06 11:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

They're just not ideal subs, my intrest is more for use as spawn. If the woodchips break apart easily, it might make excellent spawn material. I find crushed cob very useful in a 2 stage spawn, but I'm not sure if it would produce potent mushrooms by itself. I'm about to find out though...

Anyway, you can only expect so much from wood based subs, unless you're growing wood loving mushrooms.

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Re: Animal Bedding As Substrate [Re: Rahz]
    #5340357 - 02/26/06 08:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

They're just not ideal subs, my intrest is more for use as spawn. If the woodchips break apart easily, it might make excellent spawn material. I find crushed cob very useful in a 2 stage spawn, but I'm not sure if it would produce potent mushrooms by itself. I'm about to find out though...

Anyway, you can only expect so much from wood based subs, unless you're growing wood loving mushrooms.

Rahz

I dont think it would make a good anything. Not only did the chunks that did colonize break up extremly hard, but the bags colonized very slowly. Another thing about coir if it is good in substrate then that means it is not the best for casing. Something mycelium colonizes and treats as a nutrient laden substrate cant be good for a casing layer.


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