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Which cactus should i choose?
    #5336313 - 02/24/06 10:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Im looking to start growing a few cacti, but im torn over which species to get. I have read that the rumor of the Peruvian Torch haviing a higher mescaline content than the San Pedro is nothing but a myth, based on a single study. Also, which species grows faster, and would do better in the southeastern United States? Thanks for the input.


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Re: Which cactus should i choose? [Re: thelorax121]
    #5336336 - 02/24/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Search for any of my many posts on peruvianus.

I suggest some pedro and bridgesii.


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Re: Which cactus should i choose? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5336919 - 02/25/06 01:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

My experience tells me that peruvianus hits way stronger than the same amount of pachanoi/bridgesii, maybe higher mescaline concentration, maybe other alkaloids. The most easy to grow is pachanoi, clearly.


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Re: Which cactus should i choose? [Re: funnybunny]
    #5336943 - 02/25/06 01:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

"The most easy to grow is pachanoi, clearly."
Elaborate.

"My experience tells me that peruvianus hits way stronger than the same amount of pachanoi/bridgesii, maybe higher mescaline concentration, maybe other alkaloids."

I assume you're talking about dry flesh here? Otherwise, you probably happened to buy a good 'peruvianus' cutting that came from south america. Bridgesii is the one that people tend to find has the "other alkaloids".


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Re: Which cactus should i choose? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5337195 - 02/25/06 05:34 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

In the place where I live the temperature typically ranges -15 ~ +45 celsius yearly. I've seen several peyote die in winter. The same occured with peruvianus, but bridgesii & pachanoi withstood. In summer, peruvianus and bridgesii are more prone to sunburns than pachanoi. Also, pachanoi is easier to handle; its spines are far less dangerous than those of peruvianus or bridgesii. In addition, I'm a bit careless, and forget to water them, checking pH and those things. This resulted in 0 pachanoi casualties, but some of other species.

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elgr said:
I assume you're talking about dry flesh here? Otherwise, you probably happened to buy a good 'peruvianus' cutting that came from south america. Bridgesii is the one that people tend to find has the "other alkaloids".




Everything grown from seed but bridgesii. Bridgesii may feel different, but I find peruvianus more intense: I don't know the reason, I only explained some possibilities.


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Re: Which cactus should i choose? [Re: funnybunny]
    #5338121 - 02/25/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Sounds good, but keep in mind the fact that you seem to have gotten good (Macrogonus perhaps) peruvianus genetics, while the person you advise would probably wind up with a cuzcoensis.


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Re: Which cactus should i choose? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5338138 - 02/25/06 02:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Grow some San Pedro, with a warm climate and adequate water/fertilizer it should shoot up. Watch out that your fertilizer does not have too high of a nitrogen content, it may hurt the plant.


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Re: Which cactus should i choose? [Re: MxIndustry]
    #5338454 - 02/25/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Trichocereus validus, I say - if only for the sake of originality. (and yes, according to alkaloid measurements, it is equipotent to pachanoi and the others). As for the others, it's a question of aesthetics, unless you live in a climate which necessitates cold-hardiness (in which case a bridgesii is in order, which I personally think is the most visually pleasing anyhow).
Also, Shaman Australis are selling seeds from a cross between a bridgesii and a scopulica.


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Re: Which cactus should i choose? [Re: stvip]
    #5340238 - 02/26/06 07:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Not sure where you live. Peruvians have long thorns, Pedros don't. Consider if you have kids around or not, or animals. If they are to be outdoors. Peruvians stay as long single beams and Pedros branch out quite a bit. Get some Ariocarpus fissuratus from Old Man Cactus who collects upset Ariocarpuses from places in Texas where people come to build roads and buildings. having a cacti as old as oneself is neat. Also, I love Agaves, and you can buy Agave maguey which is the kind used and it spreads like crazy. It's not unforeseeable that in a few years one could make their own Tequila. Build a pit and wood coal roast those suckers then ferment and distill. Basically. There's a couple ideas.


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Re: Which cactus should i choose? [Re: eve69]
    #5340741 - 02/26/06 11:46 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So it looks like panchoi?
Which site is the best to get it from?


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Re: Which cactus should i choose? [Re: CerebralFlower]
    #5341057 - 02/26/06 01:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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So it looks like panchoi?
Which site is the best to get it from?




No one knows?


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Re: Which cactus should i choose? [Re: sydeq]
    #5341117 - 02/26/06 01:37 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Pachanoi are generally the same clone wherever you get it from.


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