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Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay (update 3/23/06)
    #5335997 - 02/24/06 08:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This is my first grow. Some things may be unorthodox because either I wanted to do them the hard way, or certain materials were unavailable and I had to make do. Here goes:

I have seven quart jars of Psilocybe cubensis EQ incubating in my water bath. I lost track of when I inoculated them and thus how long they've been in there. Their growth stalled for a week because I had sealed the jar lid holes with duck tape; they've only loose foil covering them now and growth has exploded.


The jar second from the left is a bit behind the others, while the jars second from the right is a bit ahead. Should I just wait until they are all 100% colonized? I figure if it overlays in the jar it will be fixed when I crumble and case.


Homemade humidifier, just 'cause I could. Made from old computer power supply, pc fan, tupperware, hose, and ultrasonic fogger.


The device blowing mist. It's a bit hard to see.


My container. It's a 35 gallon (132 liter) sterilite. The hygrometer is visible in middle, and will be accompanied by a thermometer soon. I plan to buy more bags of hay until I have enough to make a six inch layer. I'm staggering the hay purchases so I don't look retarded buying six bags of hay from my local pet store.


DVD for scale.


The top, with window for my ceramic heat emitter to beam IR for heating, and a big hole for the humidifier hose, and lots of small holes to balance pressure when the humidifier is on.


The vent holes, loosely covered with foil to prevent dust from falling in.

And that's all for now.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5336192 - 02/24/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i know you said you were doing things unorthodox but there are some things to consider... those jars in the water are very open to contamination! incubation methods can easily be improved! also try stuffing your vent holes with polyfil to help keep unwanted contams out... also your jars should also have a lid on them... preferably one with a hole stuffed with polyfil to allow ventilation.

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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: LochRaven]
    #5336230 - 02/24/06 09:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Oh, the jars have lids alright. The lids all have one hole for inoculation, which I sealed with duck tape. Then after a week, I noticed that mycelium growth slowed considerably, and that the mycelium didn't recover after shaking. On a hunch, I took the tape off and just crumpled some foil over the lids to allow for gas exchange, but the lids are still there. Since then, growth has been really fast, relative to its rate before.
For some reason, even with my lax attention to sterility, none have contamed. I didn't even flame the syringe needle for the two jars on the side. I even have an experimental jar of whole grain brown rice incubating behind those corn jars, with no duck tape or foil covering the lid, and that hasn't contamed either.
*shrug*

Thanks for wishing me luck.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5336320 - 02/24/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Cool shit man, I can't wait to see the outcome of this grow. There aren't many pics of grows on timothy hay around here. It's a somewhat controversial substrate too (I think it works just fine). Best of luck.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: User714]
    #5338943 - 02/25/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

=( I just checked on the two jars I inoculated without flaming... I've lost them both to GREEN. It's just lots of green dots in one of the jars, but it's all over the place in the other. Funny how the onset of green coloration came overnight, though the mold was probably in there the whole time. Oh well...


I'll throw it in my garden I guess


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5339096 - 02/25/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yah you can see the trich myc in the second jar on the right clearly. It kinda looks like the chunks of milk you see when you dump out curdled milk.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: coda]
    #5339158 - 02/25/06 08:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Looks good to me!


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: liloldme]
    #5339163 - 02/25/06 08:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what looks good? The contaminated grains?


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: coda]
    #5354725 - 03/01/06 07:46 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I just bought two more bags of hay and gave the five remaining jars a good shaking. Just wondering, is five quart jars enough for four 20 oz. bags of hay, or can I use more hay? I'd like to use as much hay as I can per jar.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5357725 - 03/02/06 02:22 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

*nudge*


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5362167 - 03/03/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's been two days since I shook the jars and I don't see any signs of mycelium recovery. I think I'm being paranoid, and I keep thinking that maybe the substrate has dried out or something; last time I shook the jars, there was duck tape on the lids, but as soon as I removed it, recovery took place almost immediately and was apparent within 24 hours. Should I just wait it out a little more or start over?


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5362538 - 03/03/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Come on guys, I need some reassurance...


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5362544 - 03/03/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I dont know what to tell ya, my jars are 80-100% 2 days after i shake.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Psychoslut]
    #5362567 - 03/03/06 06:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Could it be that the substrate is dehydrated? I doubt it. It seems decently moist inside, and I can see halos of water where the grain touches the glass. The grains do look darker and smaller than the grains in my slow jar, though.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5363771 - 03/04/06 05:20 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Just a quick thought, you've got Timothy Hay there for your bulk substrate. I'm sure that's not good, as it has a lot of Alfafa and green stuff in. You want barley straw surely???


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Jaicen]
    #5363931 - 03/04/06 08:47 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Can't seem to find any place to get straw in my area, which i surprising; it's frakkin New York City, the center of the universe =)


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5382527 - 03/09/06 06:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

So I started out with seven jars, and two contamed with trich, and three contamed with lipstick after too hard a shaking, and there are two survivors.


I'm gonna G2G these ^ to eight jars that I just PC'ed (below)


Meanwhile, the two jars that contamed with Trich seemed to have recovered; the mycelium grew right over most of the green, which itself had only spread to <5% of the jar. I excised any visible green, and cased the two jars just for the hell of it, with store bought Jungle Mix, which is some sort of peat/verm based vivarium mix, NOT potting soil. (shown below)



This is the whole rig in operation. Suspended above are a red bulb for viewing (I assume that the casing won't respond to red light, and thus won't pin prematurely), and a 150 watt ceramic heat emitter, which emits strictly IR wavelength light.


These are the timers for the FAE, humidification, and lighting. An interesting thing happened the other day. I plugged this baby into the wall, and five minutes later I heard an electrical spark from my dining room, and smoke was coming out of the wall, from an electrical socket. However, the total wattage of the rig is only around 410 watts, which is less than a beefy guitar amplifier, plus, the spark happened in an adjacent room from a different electrical socket, so I plugged the rig back in and things've been fine ever since.

I'm still a bit weary though; my mom is out of town , and I'd hate to burn the house down before she got back.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5382871 - 03/09/06 08:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

what in the world...

just make a double tub so u can get rid of all that stuff.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Drone]
    #5383133 - 03/09/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Is the socket that sparked on the same breaker? If not it was most likely a coincidence.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: RedHusky]
    #5386565 - 03/10/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not sure if they were on different breakers, but if overload were what caused the spark, wouldn't the breaker trip first? What I heard was a spark, which I'm assuming is more likely caused by old, faulty, frayed wiring. Overload silently melts the insulation and ignites it, right?


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5386758 - 03/10/06 05:26 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Unless you have an ammeter you don't really know how many amps you're pulling. A malfunctioning device can be pulling a higher load.

Turn your setup on, then goto the breaker box and shut off breakers one at a time until you find the one that is hooked up to your setup.
Plug a recepticle tester or a desklamp into the outlet that sparked while your setup breaker is powered down.
If that recepticle is dead, while your setup circuit is dead, then yes, you are overloading the circuit or their are other problems.

In that case, disconnect your setup or move it to another circuit that is heavier duty(you will be able to tell on the breakers(higher amp load means heavier duty circuit, usually), or one that has less of a load on it.
If lightbulbs on that circuit are dying with frequency, the breaker is popping, or your equipment is acting inconsistantly, you are probably overloading the circuit and need to find a better solution.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: cappa]
    #5386811 - 03/10/06 05:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Well well, I check my trich salvage casing and BAM, I see mycelium poking through =)


That's cube mycelium and not cobweb, right? I know it's an oft asked question, but I had to ask! I patched right after I took the photo, and left the cellophane that I had on it before off.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5389419 - 03/11/06 02:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

lol it looks like a weird coastline or beach to me with a bunch of driftwood on it! lol Sorry.

It's hard to tell, but it looks white and fuzzy. I would say 'don't be afraid of ghosts'. More than likely it's myc.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: cappa]
    #5405295 - 03/15/06 07:20 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's been in fruit mode for two days now. =) The casing surface was a bit dry to the touch, cause I've been heating it with a ceramic heat emitter, which I unplugged today, but I hope the dryness didn't do too much damage. How long does anyone estimatre till pins form?



And these are eight jars for the original bulk project two days after G2G. I'm impressed; I'm definitely a G2G advocate now.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5405354 - 03/15/06 07:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

dry to the touch?!
i hope you didnt touch the casings!! fingers are dirty

mist them if they are dry. whats the RH in your FC


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5405363 - 03/15/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Looks very good to me. I'd make sure that casing isn't too dry.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: cappa]
    #5405482 - 03/15/06 07:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

The hygrometer says the RH is 75 (which is way too low, I know), BUT...

I was beaming a ceramic heat emitter at the rear wall of the fruiting chamber, which happens to be the same wall the hygrometer is mounted on, so the wall was heating up and causing the hygrometer to dry, giving a false (way low) reading. It can't be 75 because there's half an inch of water there and a bunch of perlite, and condensation is visible on every wall of the FC, except for the wall being heated. I read that the condensation (medium sized drops) is an indicator of sufficient humidity, no?


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5405525 - 03/15/06 08:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Condensation only indicates that the inner and outer temperatures are different.  :smile:

Let it settle a bit and check your hygrometer. Did you make sure your hygrometer was working properly beforehand? Hopefully you did, cause it's always nice to be able to trust it.  :smile:


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: cappa]
    #5420010 - 03/19/06 07:28 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Knots?


A close up


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5420654 - 03/19/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Yeah, I think I see some knots/rhizomorphic growth...some, but not a lot.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: figment]
    #5420703 - 03/19/06 10:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I'm not the guy to ask about what's visible there.  :smile:
I'm only regurgitating what I've read.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: cappa]
    #5421005 - 03/20/06 12:43 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Lookin good to me, be patient!
You aren't still using that IR light on it are you?

Temps inside that box should be 70-75.

Make sure it's getting enough FAE and has high humidity.
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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: cappa]
    #5422868 - 03/20/06 07:17 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

PINS!


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5423072 - 03/20/06 07:56 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Drone]
    #5435461 - 03/23/06 06:36 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Man, these shrooms seem to be growing awfully slow, or maybe it's just me. Today is the third day since pins emerged.


There are zillions of pins, but only the largest ones are visible due to the flash.


A close up.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Hand_of_Nog]
    #5435482 - 03/23/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

very nice


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: stelthvue]
    #5435546 - 03/23/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Sometimes some grows take longer to develop fruit growth. Nice stuff. Im trying G2G tomorrow for the first time. Kinda nervous about contams.


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Re: Psilocybe cubensis EQ on hay [Re: Akira]
    #5435803 - 03/23/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks.

Akira, supposedly with G2G's you don't have to worry as much about contams since the myc already has a head start. Incidentally, those 8 jars I G2G'd last week for the bulk project ALL have lipstick mold. I'm not worried though; since all the jars are at >85% colonization I'm betting on the myc kicking the lipstick's ass.
Also, I did some research on lipstick (genus Sporendonema) and they don't produce toxins. In fact, the biggest concern in the food industry about lipstick mold is that it causes food to lose value because it makes the food look undesirable, nothing more, so I see no reason to toss the jars if the myc covers it. Hell, the casing that's fruiting now was done with two triched jars. I think the stigma against contamed jars is way too high.


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