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OfflineHUBSonDUBS
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VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why?(NOT B/C OF DEHYDRATOR)
    #5335919 - 02/24/06 08:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So ive always grown BRF shrooms and potency was def. there and i stepped up to growing with hpoo wow the shrooms were huge (B+) but potency is almost nothing i ate a 1/4 dry and felt almost nothing. Why is this my brf shrooms were much more potent?***ALSO I USED A FOOD DEHDYRATOR FOR THE FIRST TIME SET AT 135 DEG????????*********


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5335929 - 02/24/06 08:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Two reasons that come to mind.. you've eaten shrooms recently and have built up a tolerance. I find it takes about a month for my tolerance to go back down. or maybe you let them get grow longer, get bigger, and picked them after the veil breaks. I found that i noticed a drop in potency when I let that happen. I cant say for sure but thats the first things that came to mind


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Teknos]
    #5335938 - 02/24/06 08:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

No its not a tolerance some of my friends had never shroomed and i let them have some and still they haven't shroomed and i haven't eatn shroooms for about a month but yes i let them grow for another 3 days after the vield dropped and the caps got wavy


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5335969 - 02/24/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yea I had some that I let open up, and about 3 of us ate 3.5g each and no one felt anything....


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Teknos]
    #5336082 - 02/24/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Teknos said:
Two reasons that come to mind.. you've eaten shrooms recently and have built up a tolerance. I find it takes about a month for my tolerance to go back down. or maybe you let them get grow longer, get bigger, and picked them after the veil breaks. I found that i noticed a drop in potency when I let that happen. I cant say for sure but thats the first things that came to mind




uh... that's bullshit my man.
i've been growing cakes since the tail end of the 90's...
i can eat 1-2 grams (or more)and trip myy fucking ass off
then turn around and do it the next night.
there is an issue of tolerance to consider,
but this isnt what Hubs is talking about...

this is what i've always feared about bulk
(and i'm in the middle of my first poo/spawn run now)
you can say what you want, but gram for gram - my cake grown shrooms have ALWAYS, A L W A Y S dusted anything else in town.
and thats no shit.

Hubs...
i feel your pain and i hope i'm not asking the same question in a month or two.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: krill]
    #5336092 - 02/24/06 09:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

example...

the other day i laid 3 grams of my cake grown shrooms on a buddy of mine. he's young and inexperienced w/ psychedelics

he ate 2 dry (dessicated) grams the first night and fried his ASS OFF!

the VERY NEXT NIGHT he took the remaining ONE GRAM
powdered it and used the lemon juice shot method
and tripped 2-3 times HARDER than the night BEFORE!!!

on TOP of all this...
these shrooms were harvested last summer
and have been presereved ever since.

tolerance is a mundane detail.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: krill]
    #5336099 - 02/24/06 09:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well everyone is different maybe YOU can trip every night but not everyone. anyhoo the dehydrator could be your problem, think about it. what variables did you change then you should narrow down what the problem was. most people swear by poo so unless you got some freak poo...


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: skeletor]
    #5336118 - 02/24/06 09:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i agree w/ Skeletor on the heat issue

135 degrees IS a BIT much.
it doesn't get that hot in nature, so...

and, i can't trip every night.
my point is, no one should be able to eat enough Shrooms that you can't get off when you eat them.

even with pyramid dosing LSD...
youcould go every night for a week and STILL GET SOMETHING OFF OF IT.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: krill]
    #5336249 - 02/24/06 09:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm sure I have seen on this website and many others HEAT Kills The active chemical in mushrooms. Try killing the heat in the dehydrator and let them dry naturally!

......but then again I'm sure I could be wrong!...and I was wrong!


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Rickster]
    #5336275 - 02/24/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I recenlty read a thread where some of the more experienced growers on shroomery said that anything at i believe 135 degrees or lower should not lower potency to the extent of anything near noticable. So I dont think it was the dehydrator being that most people use dehydrators many times at that same temp and never have any problems. Maybe it was just a bad batch, weak spore genetics...? Where these prints you made yourself or clones?


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Akira]
    #5336843 - 02/25/06 01:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

psilocybin has a melthing point of 400 F.  Drying your shrooms at 200 F will not affect your potency one bit.

You most likely generated a shitty substrain, it happens, you're not the only this has happened to.  Just start up a new grow and go at it again, its dissapointing yes, but once you get yourself a good strain on poo you'll see why BRF just doesnt compare.
BRF = OK
Poo = Grab you by the balls and squeeze :laugh:


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: coda]
    #5336851 - 02/25/06 01:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

>>Poo = Grab you by the balls and squeeze<<

Then drag you around....... :grin:


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: agar]
    #5336860 - 02/25/06 01:36 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, for the millionth time on these forums. Food dehydrators do not ruin potency111!!!1one one!!!1!1


If heat above 135?F ruined potency, then how would you explain making shroom tea? Oh.. that's right.. it doesn't.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Blek]
    #5336960 - 02/25/06 02:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

although psilocybin and related compounds have high breakdown temps, isn't it entirely dependant on the presence of oxygen?
Oxidization is what make shrooms les potent, that's why you don't want to bruise your mushrooms all up, as it breaks down the molecular structure of the shroom, thereby forcing oxygen onto the psilocybin and stuff.
why do you guys think that shrooms are always recomended to be stored in AIR TIGHT containers? and what about that guy who made that tek on replacing the air in shroom storage containers with fridge coolant?

the dehydrator is what fucked you over man. a very high temp (compared to the temps in the shrooms life cycle) broke down the shrooms while drying.

The dehydrator didn't just dry your shrooms, it 'melted' (in a sense) your shrooms while exposing them to massive amounts of oxygen, and then dried them out.

Where did all the smart people go?  :confused: :stars:

Fan dry your shrooms next time. Although it increases air flow around the mushies, they aren't being broke down on a molecular level, because your house (with the air current) isn't going to be 135F!

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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: NESpores]
    #5337105 - 02/25/06 03:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Jesus...not this debate again?

How do you old timers put up with this?


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: NESpores]
    #5337142 - 02/25/06 04:23 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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although psilocybin and related compounds have high breakdown temps, isn't it entirely dependant on the presence of oxygen?
Oxidization is what make shrooms les potent, that's why you don't want to bruise your mushrooms all up, as it breaks down the molecular structure of the shroom, thereby forcing oxygen onto the psilocybin and stuff.
why do you guys think that shrooms are always recomended to be stored in AIR TIGHT containers? and what about that guy who made that tek on replacing the air in shroom storage containers with fridge coolant?

the dehydrator is what fucked you over man. a very high temp (compared to the temps in the shrooms life cycle) broke down the shrooms while drying.

The dehydrator didn't just dry your shrooms, it 'melted' (in a sense) your shrooms while exposing them to massive amounts of oxygen, and then dried them out.

Where did all the smart people go?  :confused: :stars:

Fan dry your shrooms next time. Although it increases air flow around the mushies, they aren't being broke down on a molecular level, because your house (with the air current) isn't going to be 135F!

peace





No offense, but that whole statement didn't make too much sense. If oxygen is what causes the loss of potency, then wouldn't fanning them be worse than using a dehydrator, being that fanning them takes longer to dry and therefore exposes them to more oxygen?

Also, there have been other threads about heat and it's effects (or lack thereof) on potency. His shrooms certainly weren't "melted" in any way. I've been using my dehydrator now for awhile now and have had the temps as high as 155F without any noticeable loss in potency.

Shrooms can have different potency from flush to flush, cluster to cluster, shroom to shroom. It's just nature. Try again.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5337150 - 02/25/06 04:27 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I just tried to trip off shrooms I grew myself using the PFTEK method with BRF/Verm (Koh Samui strain) and even a fairly good dose for me (1.4g dried grams ground into grapefruit juice) did barely anything at all to me. They blued a little from handling but not bad, and were fan dried for 18 hours after picking (down to about 65 percent dry based on weight). Should eating an eighth of BRF shrooms give you a level 3 trip if your tolerance for shrooms is TYPICALLY 3.5 for a level 3? (For reference, 1.3g in grapefruit juice is stronger than 3.5 straight up for me).


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5337249 - 02/25/06 07:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

HUBSonDUBS said:
So ive always grown BRF shrooms and potency was def. there and i stepped up to growing with hpoo wow the shrooms were huge (B+) but potency is almost nothing i ate a 1/4 dry and felt almost nothing. Why is this my brf shrooms were much more potent?***ALSO I USED A FOOD DEHDYRATOR FOR THE FIRST TIME SET AT 135 DEG????????*********




Not all horse poo is created equal. Was yours fresh and then leached? Or was it well aged? Was it full of white flecks of organisms known as firefang?

These are all things you need to consider when looking for horse poo. I always look for the most white I can find.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5337356 - 02/25/06 08:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Delinquentes said:
Jesus...not this debate again?

How do you old timers put up with this?




We just ignore those who won't listen.
People still think dehyrators are bad cause someone said so... a long time ago, and everyone else kept repeating it.
Keep in mind... some people still think the earth is flat, the sun revolves around the earth, and the people of democratic governments are free!

Go figure!  :smile:


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Shdwstr]
    #5337446 - 02/25/06 09:29 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah I really disagree with anyone who says that dehydrators lower potency and I've never even tried using one! I say this on the basis that "many" people here have been using dehydrators to dry their mushrooms and have not ever had this problem......It doesnt make sense, otherwise EVERYONE would have complained about this problem, but mysteriously no one has...  :confused:


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Akira]
    #5337480 - 02/25/06 09:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Not that I can help with your potency problems, just curious, what did you use to spawn to the poo?


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: jmg5]
    #5337491 - 02/25/06 09:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

question. youre supposed to harvest before the veils break? i always thought it was just after they break.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5337537 - 02/25/06 10:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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question. youre supposed to harvest before the veils break? i always thought it was just after they break.




It's a matter of preference. Some people believe that potency is higher before the veil breaks, I'm not one of them. I pick mine after the veil breaks and the caps have started to flatten out a little.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: requiem99]
    #5337576 - 02/25/06 10:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I just tried to trip off shrooms I grew myself using the PFTEK method with BRF/Verm (Koh Samui strain) and even a fairly good dose for me (1.4g dried grams ground into grapefruit juice) did barely anything at all to me. They blued a little from handling but not bad, and were fan dried for 18 hours after picking (down to about 65 percent dry based on weight). Should eating an eighth of BRF shrooms give you a level 3 trip if your tolerance for shrooms is TYPICALLY 3.5 for a level 3? (For reference, 1.3g in grapefruit juice is stronger than 3.5 straight up for me).




there are level 4 trips off of 2 grams from BRF and PF thought they were more potent when picked before the vail broke...no prints that way though.

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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5337606 - 02/25/06 10:48 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i am no expert on the subject, but ive been trippin for a while and recently started cultivation and from my experience, letting the caps open too far DOES seem to make them less potent. Also, the 135 degrees does not sound like it helps. heat breaks down the chemical makeup of the shroom, in turn weakening potency. however, i dont know at exactly what temperature this happens. Ive also noticed that larger mushrooms, on average, have less potency than smaller ones. It almost appears to me that each batch of mushrooms can only produce so much psylocibin per batch, based on the nutrients they have to feed from in the pf cake, casing, ect, By harvesting the mushroom a lil earlier, i feel that even tho you get less weight, the weight you have will be more potent. hopefully this is helpful for you. again, i am no expert, but the information i have given u is from personal experience and countless nights of no sleep due to shroomy research :smile: lata


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: wakeboard3584]
    #5337709 - 02/25/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Welcome to the shroomery!

But you need to read man! Like i said before, psilocybin BREAKS DOWN AT 400 F

When you kids will get it in your heads that psilocybin is a VERY stable chemical and can put up with a lot of mistreatement, then you'll finally get off this whole "heat degrades the potency of your mushrooms"

Lets talk about potency shall we since it seems to be the ONE THING EVERYONE is interested in.

Potency 101

Well all know that our mushies need nutrients to grow. Substrates with a higher nutrient base will produce more, and bigger, mushrooms. Adding ingriedients into your mixture that are rich in NITROGEN will increase your potency greatly from those that have low nitrogen content. This is why growing on poo and compost produce more, bigger, and stronger mushrooms. The high nitrogen content (along with other supplemental bacteria and nutrients) just have no comparision to WBS, Rye, or our beloved BRF.

Now that we know where potency comes from, lets take a look at the facors that affect the levels of alkaloids in your mushrooms. Before we even do that, however, let take a look at the two MOST ACTIVE chemicals in your mushrooms: Psilocin and Psilocybin.

Chemical Makeup and Properties of Actives in Mushrooms

Reading through the link we learn that Psilocybin a melting point of 400 F thats 200 DEGREES HOTTER then your average deydrator, its also much much higher then the boiling temps of water (which many of us use to make tea). SO learning this we can realize how stable this chemical really is compared to psilocin. Psilocin is the STRONGER(in terms of "potency") of the two chemicals but it is also the WEAKER(in terms of chemical breakdown). This is what degrades, when your mushrooms blue this is why, its the PSILOCIN breaking down (which would happen anyway, regardless of heat, its very sensitive).

So know that we know all this we can look at the factors which cause potency loss.

NOTHING. Besides letting your mushrooms mature to the point where they're about to rot on the cap, not one thing will cause your mushrooms to lose potency. Picking before the veil tears, after it tears, or after it "tabletops" WILL NOT CAUSE POTENCY LOSS. The debate between large vs small rages on and will NOT BE DETERMINED unless someone does a lot of research using GCMS tests on various sizes, substrates, etc.

So thats it, there's nothing else to tell. Growing mushrooms on substrates high in N will produce stronger, bigger, and more mushrooms. Harvesting times and drying temps WILL NOT decrease your potency.

Shitty substrains happen, weak mushies happen, its just a matter of accepting the fact that your genetics are weak and you need to start over. This is why agar work and strain isoloation should become impotant tools in any serious mycologists toolbox. Once you start isolating and cloning your best substrains you start avoiding these mishaps and guessing games.

Hope this was helpful.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: coda]
    #5337978 - 02/25/06 01:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

the longer you wait to harvest does not affect the psilocin content? though psilocin is more fragile, does it degrade when its just sitting in the shroom growing?


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5338001 - 02/25/06 01:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i KNOW it's been said here numerous times...

but sometime you just have a crop of shrooms that just don't have any potency. they can look like THE FIRE, and not do shit.

it's depressing, but it eventually happens to everyone.
think of it as "not being able to get it up" - HA HA!


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: coda]
    #5338097 - 02/25/06 02:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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coda said:
Welcome to the shroomery!

But you need to read man! Like i said before, psilocybin BREAKS DOWN AT 400 F

When you kids will get it in your heads that psilocybin is a VERY stable chemical and can put up with a lot of mistreatement, then you'll finally get off this whole "heat degrades the potency of your mushrooms"

Lets talk about potency shall we since it seems to be the ONE THING EVERYONE is interested in.

Potency 101

Well all know that our mushies need nutrients to grow. Substrates with a higher nutrient base will produce more, and bigger, mushrooms. Adding ingriedients into your mixture that are rich in NITROGEN will increase your potency greatly from those that have low nitrogen content. This is why growing on poo and compost produce more, bigger, and stronger mushrooms. The high nitrogen content (along with other supplemental bacteria and nutrients) just have no comparision to WBS, Rye, or our beloved BRF.

Now that we know where potency comes from, lets take a look at the facors that affect the levels of alkaloids in your mushrooms. Before we even do that, however, let take a look at the two MOST ACTIVE chemicals in your mushrooms: Psilocin and Psilocybin.

Chemical Makeup and Properties of Actives in Mushrooms

Reading through the link we learn that Psilocybin a melting point of 400 F thats 200 DEGREES HOTTER then your average deydrator, its also much much higher then the boiling temps of water (which many of us use to make tea). SO learning this we can realize how stable this chemical really is compared to psilocin. Psilocin is the STRONGER(in terms of "potency") of the two chemicals but it is also the WEAKER(in terms of chemical breakdown). This is what degrades, when your mushrooms blue this is why, its the PSILOCIN breaking down (which would happen anyway, regardless of heat, its very sensitive).

So know that we know all this we can look at the factors which cause potency loss.

NOTHING. Besides letting your mushrooms mature to the point where they're about to rot on the cap, not one thing will cause your mushrooms to lose potency. Picking before the veil tears, after it tears, or after it "tabletops" WILL NOT CAUSE POTENCY LOSS. The debate between large vs small rages on and will NOT BE DETERMINED unless someone does a lot of research using GCMS tests on various sizes, substrates, etc.

So thats it, there's nothing else to tell. Growing mushrooms on substrates high in N will produce stronger, bigger, and more mushrooms. Harvesting times and drying temps WILL NOT decrease your potency.

Shitty substrains happen, weak mushies happen, its just a matter of accepting the fact that your genetics are weak and you need to start over. This is why agar work and strain isoloation should become impotant tools in any serious mycologists toolbox. Once you start isolating and cloning your best substrains you start avoiding these mishaps and guessing games.

Hope this was helpful.



First off I'd like to say thank you. Just so everyone knows psilocin breaks down to psilocybin. BTW I have had the same substrain grown on BRF be as weak as cellulose then isolated poo with it and it really rocked my world! Also a good read Tryptamine HCl and making more potent shrooms.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Delinquentes]
    #5338123 - 02/25/06 02:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Jesus...not this debate again?

How do you old timers put up with this?


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Anonymous]
    #5338350 - 02/25/06 03:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well it was out of 2 12qt containers both were sponed from a print i made of b+ with WBS. The hpoo i found at a horse farm and it was in a big pile that the guy had racked up a few days before it wasnt wet poo it was for the most part dry i pasturized it for 2 hours spawned the wbs and about a week later it had colonized the two 12qt container. About another week went buy and i began to see tons of pins on both container another week went by and i harvested the viels had dropped probly 2-3 days before then. After i harvested i put wut i could in my food dehadrator out of the 2 cassings i got about 6-7 ounces dried. They dried in the food dehydrator very fast just over a day. They were very big shrooms id say 6-7 inches high and about 5-6 wide on the cap. If that helps you at all to determine anymore mayb somewhere i went wrong.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5338460 - 02/25/06 04:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think all signs pretty much point to poor genetics man, just grab a syringe and some jars and start over.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: hyphae]
    #5338462 - 02/25/06 04:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hyphae- You're welcome :copface: just doing mah job, sir. :smile:


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: coda]
    #5338469 - 02/25/06 04:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ya thats wut ive done ive got 14 more 12qt containers colonizing with 3- South American, 3- Golden Teacher, 3- Equator, and 5- creepers. Should be an impressive site il put some pictures up some time next week when they are in the FC should be a dam good harvest and mayb some potency this time!


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5338477 - 02/25/06 04:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Im sure with that many strains cooking you're bound to end up with something good :smile:  I need to get off my ass and prepare some quarts.  My FC is empty. :frown:


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: coda]
    #5338576 - 02/25/06 05:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You should sticky your post in this forum coda..

copy/paste it in a new thread and title it "POTENCY LOSS TABOOS AND MISINFORMATION" or something. Thanks for posting.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: coda]
    #5338596 - 02/25/06 05:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

maybe I should stop drying my mushrooms @ 450 Degrees F....


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: coda]
    #5338709 - 02/25/06 06:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Coda hit the nail right on the head man
a culture from spores is a coin toss baby
and besides that the best you can expect with cubensis is around 1% or less of the good stuff
cracker dry equates to about a 90% weight loss so if you eat 1.5 grams of partly dry (you said about 65%?) do the math
you took less than you thought


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: noxy]
    #5338734 - 02/25/06 06:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

There is also another factor to consider.

A substrate (even some queer h/poo) may be lacking in 1, or several critical precursor nutrients and/or trace/micro/macro elements that are essential to the formation of actives.
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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: agar]
    #5339154 - 02/25/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

True, and if that is the case, while not rare its uncommon to see poo or bulk grows produce low or no potency shrooms.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: coda]
    #5339298 - 02/25/06 09:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Coda, so you're saying that Psilocin is the stronger of the two active components and it easily breaks down into Psilocybin. Correct?

And when Psilocin degrades, it causes the mushroom to turn blue. Correct?

If so, what causes Psilocin to degrade, bruised mycellium?

What of the theory that blue mushrooms are more potent, is that just a myth?


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: HUBSonDUBS]
    #5339349 - 02/25/06 09:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Do not think the dehydrator is the problem...
http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_chemistry.shtml
These values are taken from the Merk manual.
So I think if there was a degredation issue from heat they wouldn't mention a boiling point.
However oxidation has been dicussed in detail and is a fact, but for chemicals contained in the cells they should be relativly protected from this process.


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: ALHOFF177A17]
    #5339951 - 02/26/06 01:17 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The general ratio for cubensis mushrooms is that they are 50/50 Psilocin and Psilocybin...

Now it's Psilocybin is converted into psilocin in the body, and that is what the trip is basically potenated by.  Now being so much of the cubensis mushroom depends on the amount of psilocin you can keep safe untill it gets to your tummy.. taking care of the fungi in process is important.  Psilocin outside of the body oxydises very easily into worthless biproducts.  With cubensis being 50% psilocin on average, you can loose a ton of activity in drying and bruising.

Psilocybin is quite sound structurally and takes a matabolite process in the body to break it into psilocin and then in the protective pathways of the bloodstream it makes it's way to the head :smile:

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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: Psychenaut]
    #5341745 - 02/26/06 04:32 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

That doesn't answer very much at all. Can I have a more direct and practical answer to my questions please?


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: DT2K]
    #5341873 - 02/26/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

From batch to batch shit changes, do another poo grow and if you think your brf are lets say twice as strong then on your next grow take twice as much horse poo and ull go insain :smile: ive had the same thing happen and funny enough it was b+ but then i done the exact same thing next time from same print and same horse poo and holy god!

Im just wondering is there anyway to test your batch? apart from tripping hard?


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Re: VERY low potency from hpoo shrooms why? [Re: TheLegend]
    #5342198 - 02/26/06 06:29 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

id like to know the same thanks


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