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OfflineA0999
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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5343534 - 02/26/06 10:52 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

just adding a little info, the site you are reffering to suggest 60 grams insence powder as a usual strong trip. and what i have heard firsthand about the extractions of the said insence powder makes me pretty confident that these claims are true.

i wouldnt take 150 gr of that shit.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: A0999]
    #5343616 - 02/26/06 11:10 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Like I said
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Ekstaza said:
50 grams should get anyone off, if it's real.



150grams is just crazy. If it's anything like the last batch I got it would be around 1800mg of mescaline. My largest dose was only 800mg and that was pretty much enough for me. I doubt that I'll repeat the experience. I'll probably stay closer to 600mg.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #5343713 - 02/26/06 11:39 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Hmm... I had no idea that people were assuming an LD50 of 1500mg in humans. Surely this is based off bunnies or something? I know people who've taken nearly that without life threatening consequences.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5343721 - 02/26/06 11:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

There's at least one nooker that said he took 1.5 grams of mescaline hcl and then chewed up some peyote buttons along with it. I seriously do not doubt it at all.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5343736 - 02/26/06 11:48 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

In ceremonies, people eat 60+ peyote buttons. The big ones surely dry out to at least 2 grams each, and the old ones probably contain over 2.5% alkaloids.

I'm just suggesting that there's no way in hell 1500mg hasn't been had countless times in ceremony.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5343757 - 02/26/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

From erowid:
LD50 crystals : 212 mg/kg i.p.(mice)
LD50 crystals : 132 mg/kg i.p. (rats)
LD50 crystals : 328 mg/kg i.p.(guinea pigs)


Going from that, I am guessing that we are talking of a LD50 of at very, very minimum 10g (for 160 lbs, that is 139mg/kg) almost 24 grams at guinea pig LD50.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Jaeger]
    #5343771 - 02/26/06 11:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Let's also throw in the fact that you

CAN'T RELY ON LD50 OF RODENTS WHEN DETERMINING LD50 FOR HUMANS!

:smile:

It could be 10x that, it could be much less. But it's not 1.5damn grams.

I've got 1.4 on me. Someone send me the remainder (disclaimer: joke) and I'll prove your (Divided_Sky) ass wrong with flying colors. :smile:


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5343980 - 02/27/06 01:54 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ok, I realize this would depend a lot on set and setting, and of course the dosage. But do you think it would be possible to keep it fairly straight and not seem totally drugged out and weird, or even noticably very different?

I know this sounds like a bad idea, but I am very interested in psychedelics and have no places to do them, still living with my parents. I've done Ecstasy a few times now, twice at home and been perfectly fine both times... my parents definatley aren't cool with that stuff but I can sit here at night and as long as I act straight and don't make lots of loud noise i'm confident i'd be alright. I've smoked weed for about 3 years now, done E and also low doses of LSA and Salvia, so I think I can handle myself while high for the most part.

Of all the psychedelics I think Mescaline interests me the most, if my name doesn't give it away I love cacti and everything about them. I think I could greatly benefit from it and am really hoping i'll have the opportunity to finally trip sometime.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: ImperialCactus]
    #5344029 - 02/27/06 02:23 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

If you want to get totally messed on mescaline I suggest that you stay far away from home(because you will be bloated and fucked up looking), not to mention if you have not taken LSD or a high dose of shrooms you dont have any idea why you might just end up running out of the house. More than any other drug, If you take even a medium dose of mescaline, you will become bloated and red, and your eyes will look funny and watery. Like lsd, and in second place shrooms or ayahuasca. DOnt do that when you expect to see your parents.

Dude, those drugs you mentioned are totally different. Even on a med dose of acid my head looks like a big red football with red eyes. I could get away with anything if it werent for how I looked.
But the fact is, if you take enough to really get tripped out to the extreem, it lasts a long time, and you look like you just got the shit kicked out of you. If you want to be at home while your parent are too, try to find the golden mean, or just get all spun somewhere else. If you take a medium dose, its not like you will look less fucked up anytime soon. WHen I lived at home with parents, they always noticed how i was in some way different the day after even. I still looked and acted fuckin weird, like I had stayed up for a few nights. I was in good shape, tip-top, but by the look of it, I had a hell of a night. ANyone with a brain in their head could tell.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: stemmer]
    #5344804 - 02/27/06 10:33 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the advice, I was thinking more along the lines of being able to act sober enough. Doubt i'd need to talk to one of them for more than a few minutes, unless something went horribly wrong. And i'd be in a dark room at that. But I've never heard that those drugs will make you look that physically messed up as well... besides the dilated pupils of course. Kinda strange that I haven't heard that but I don't doubt that your right either. Sometimes I really wonder if I could just pass it off as something else like i've done before, but from your description I guess not. I was under the impression a low to moderate dose of Mescaline wouldn't be too intense, although I do realize it would last for a while. Guess this leaves me wondering if the risk is worth the possible positive outcomes... and since it would be my first time really tripping i'm thinking probably not. Although it's hard to believe it could be that much stronger than what i've already experienced, provided I didn't take too much.

Just that I can't see myself having the opportunity to do that anywhere but here for at the very least several years from now, probably longer. Unless I get extremely lucky and have the house to myself for long enough... highly unlikely though. And from everything i've read, especially the Doors of Perception I'd really love to do Mescaline, although I am interested in Shrooms and LSD too. Well, maybe it just isn't meant to happen then... I think I could really benefit from that but who knows... maybe i'm wrong about this one. Thanks again for the reply, guess I could have read some trip reports and gotten a better idea that way but then again I may have ended up trying it if I hadn't asked more specifically.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: ImperialCactus]
    #5345511 - 02/27/06 02:03 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

Divided_Sky said:
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elgr said:
"BTW Savako, the average dose of 'incense' is 20-30 grams. Hardcore trippers sometimes do 40-50. 150 could theoretically kill you. That's 5 the average medium-heavy dose. Do not let your freind take more than 50 grams! "

Wow, total bullshit.

It won't kill you. Do you have any idea how many (huge, full sized) peyote buttons people eat in some ceremonies?




If 30 grams of Peruvian Torch comes out to about 350 mgs of mescaline and the theoretical LD50 of mescaline is 1500mgs...




i dont see how this is proven true, afoaf a friend has done 8 pulls from a 100gram of p.torch powder, and got a end result of close to 500mg. and this shit was pure amazing.



on another note - i would NEVER eat the powder, from here on out i would need to eat only crystal form or an end result of an a/b extraction. i have never tried just the torch powder, looks WAY to nasty and just from expierence on the a/b extractions taste....i COULDNT imagine the taste of pure torch powder.


ps - ekstaza - 600mg............ MMmmmMM. Your tek was amazing, im looking forward to my next dosage in a week or so. Up it from 260mg to 400mg. I hope all ends well.


I must say, there is not so much money involved in this (from what i see) to make this work, HOWEVER the time you spend on it - makes the end result well worth your while.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: RemainRandom50]
    #5347567 - 02/27/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I stand by my original statement about dosage. Althought it can vary alot (I've heard people trip hard on as little as 10 grams) the average range that I have encountered and have heard from every vendor I have talked to or purchased from is 20-40 grams.


I was wrong about the actually LD50, but this is where I got my information on the hypothetical lethal dose.

Visionary Cactus Guide



DOSAGE INFORMATION

When figuring dosages one must have several figures in hand. First, you must know the wet weight of your sample before and after cleaning/processing. It is also very important to record the dry weight of the starting material prior to extraction or ingestion. With a knowledge of these figures it will be a lot easier to predict present and future dosages, and help prevent overdoses or ( bad trips ). Remember, don't just consume so many inches of cactus just because you read it somewhere. A 12 inch section of 4 inch diameter Cactus is many times the volume of a 1 inch diameter piece. The total dry weight is the only standard of measurement that should be used.

The threshold dosage for mescaline is generally considered to be around 150 mg. An " average" working dose is around 300 mg. A 400 mg. dose has been described as an " entheogenic all day lollipop ." The maximum safe dosage is believed to be about 1000 mg. ( this amount varies widely according to individual tolerance, experience, frame of mind, setting )

LOW DOSE, 100 - 200mg A mild buzz, to good trip with some visuals.

MODERATE DOSE, 200 - 300mg Average dosage, strong visuals.

HIGH DOSE, 300 - 500mg Intense visuals, ego dissociation possible.

EXTREME DOSE, 500 - 800mg For experienced, competent explorers only.

MAXIMUM SAFE DOSE, 1000 mg Dangerous ground to tread on.

HIGHEST KNOWN DOSE, 1500 mg Mr. Death might be the ultimate discovery?
http://users.lycaeum.org/~iamklaus/dosage.htm


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #5347587 - 02/27/06 10:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Divided_Sky said:
I stand by my original statement about dosage. Althought it can vary alot (I've heard people trip hard on as little as 10 grams) the average range that I have encountered and have heard from every vendor I have talked to or purchased from is 20-40 grams.


I was wrong about the actually LD50, but this is where I got my information on the hypothetical lethal dose.

Visionary Cactus Guide



DOSAGE INFORMATION

When figuring dosages one must have several figures in hand. First, you must know the wet weight of your sample before and after cleaning/processing. It is also very important to record the dry weight of the starting material prior to extraction or ingestion. With a knowledge of these figures it will be a lot easier to predict present and future dosages, and help prevent overdoses or ( bad trips ). Remember, don't just consume so many inches of cactus just because you read it somewhere. A 12 inch section of 4 inch diameter Cactus is many times the volume of a 1 inch diameter piece. The total dry weight is the only standard of measurement that should be used.

The threshold dosage for mescaline is generally considered to be around 150 mg. An " average" working dose is around 300 mg. A 400 mg. dose has been described as an " entheogenic all day lollipop ." The maximum safe dosage is believed to be about 1000 mg. ( this amount varies widely according to individual tolerance, experience, frame of mind, setting )

LOW DOSE, 100 - 200mg A mild buzz, to good trip with some visuals.

MODERATE DOSE, 200 - 300mg Average dosage, strong visuals.

HIGH DOSE, 300 - 500mg Intense visuals, ego dissociation possible.

EXTREME DOSE, 500 - 800mg For experienced, competent explorers only.

MAXIMUM SAFE DOSE, 1000 mg Dangerous ground to tread on.

HIGHEST KNOWN DOSE, 1500 mg Mr. Death might be the ultimate discovery?
http://users.lycaeum.org/~iamklaus/dosage.htm





The tea that i had drunk countless time with no effects consisted of the green part, which is usually the powder sold as incense by most. Th egreen part "fresh" is gooey and disgusting, it alone dired is very very tolerable than that of the other not only taste means but in consistency its so much easier. Thats my opinion and I forgot to include its alot more potent than any tea I ever made.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Muppet69_420]
    #5351323 - 02/28/06 09:42 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

800 mg and I went to a show at a festival (Victor Wooten, freakin' amazing)
400 mg at home gave me barely any visuals.
200 mg (my first mescaline hcl dose) almost unnoticable.

People, you have to understand that those dosage guidelines are just that, guidelines. Your trip can be very different from your buddies trip even if you both ate the same amount. It's really hard to recommend a good working dosage for all people, because we all are so different. You really need to start low and work your way up figuring out your needs along the way.

As for me, 800mg was a bit tiring. I'll probably stick to doses around 600-700mg from now on. But, there'll probably be at least one 1 grammer someday.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Ekstaza]
    #5355648 - 03/01/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Also, if I am not mistaken sulfate and hcl dosages are a little different. I hope I don't have it backwards but I believe 500mgs of hcl equals about 300mgs or so of sulfate?


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #5355706 - 03/01/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I don't think it's quite that severe, and it's backwards. I believe 400mg sulfate = 350-360 hcl.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5356027 - 03/02/06 12:44 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

so if AFOAF was pretty experienced with mushrooms, lsd, 2c-i, and 2c-e, would 50g of peruvian torch powder be a reasonable place to start for that person? Or should this person chill out and go with 40g.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Kaleidoscope]
    #5357928 - 03/02/06 03:12 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ask the vendor what the average amount is. 30 grams can be enough, even 20 sometimes. You probobly can't miss with 40 though.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Divided_Sky]
    #5357975 - 03/02/06 03:24 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Ask the vendor how much of a schedule I substance that they sold you to take? No.


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Re: My 1st Mescaline Trip [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5358191 - 03/02/06 04:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Ask the vendor how much of a schedule I substance that they sold you to take? No.




lol. good one.


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