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Liberty Caps? (ID request)
    #5333632 - 02/23/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Good evening all. Tonight I happened upon these little guys in a rather obscenely large pile of decomposing horse manure close to my home. About 3/4in. in diameter, the whole caps were conical with a slight nipple, overall about 3in. tall, and a bit pungent. They are unfortunately a bit decayed, so although the spore print appears to be dark purplish, I would suspect the original color of the spores is somewhat corrupted by age. At this point, they appear to be liberty caps, according to my literature and picture references. What do you think?







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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5333644 - 02/23/06 11:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

They look more like coprinus, can't tell for sure. But they are 100% non-active and not edible.

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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5333661 - 02/23/06 11:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ohh? That was a quick one. How can you tell? I was informed that when these two were healthy, they were rather brown. I am assuming that the gills were colored differently. Within a few days there should be some healthy specimens to work with...


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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5333687 - 02/23/06 11:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I cannot be sure of what they are, but I can be sure of what they are not.
The black gills and the way the cap is deteriorating is characteristic of coprinus.
Coprinus also come up by the ton on horse dung.


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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5333698 - 02/23/06 11:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So no way they could be heavily decayed actives? Which coprinus, by the way? One more important thing; I neglected to mention that the caps were in fact whole before I tore them open. Regretfully it was after the fact that I thought to take pictures. I apologize for forgetting to include that tidbit.


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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5333804 - 02/24/06 12:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

No, sorry. Chuck 'em.
They're unidentifyable. The upturned margin suggests coprinus, but who knows for sure :shrug:
Read up on how to list characteristics for id, collect a few fresh ones, get a print and you'll be able to positively id them from there :smirk:

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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: LouiseLouise]
    #5333858 - 02/24/06 01:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's ok. They were too far gone to even consider munching. Teasing, though... heh. Thanks for the help, anyway! As I said, there should be healthy specimens within a few days.


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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5334300 - 02/24/06 08:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

THose are Coprinus species otherwise known as inky caps. Common in horse manure and compost heaps. Lib caps do not grow in manure. only in manured soil. NEver directly form manure.

mj, and liberty caps a re a fall mushroom growing as early as June (on ocassion) until December January int eh PNW and NE USA (New York and Canada form Quebec to Nove Scotia/New Brunswick/ Newfoundland/P.E. Isle.

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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5334429 - 02/24/06 09:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

mjshroomer is an authority.
Those photos are classic Coprinus... without question.
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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: georgeM]
    #5335123 - 02/24/06 02:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Coprinus! I have some pics now of a healthy specimen. It's always humorous how the desire to find something can make much of what you find appear to be what it's not... Thank you all again for your input.





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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5338361 - 02/25/06 03:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

listen to John... he knows ... 100%
alli know is, they most certainly are not p.semilanceata.

though once you find some, you'll see why :laugh:

you can't move for liberties in autumn in the UK !!

remember, always pinch, never pull !


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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: PlatformStrange]
    #5342408 - 02/26/06 07:18 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It's well established that pulling is better. A better tip is to not trample your patch. Tread lightly and you'll get multiple flushes.


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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: WordlessNature]
    #5343600 - 02/26/06 11:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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It's always humorous how the desire to find something can make much of what you find appear to be what it's not...




I know the feeling so well. The same thing used to happen to me when I was new to this hobby. I've seen it happen so much to others too! I can't even express how common this way of thinking can be.


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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5348444 - 02/28/06 07:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Libs grow year-round?
I can find them in spring?
This spring?


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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: trevorda8]
    #5348709 - 02/28/06 09:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Liberty caps never have gropwn in the spring. They are a fall to winter months species dissappearing with the freeze. They grow with their mycelia attached to the roots of wild grasses in manured soil and never directly from manure.

mj

In the pnw, sometmes a few in the orgeon region have been pick in Janueary but again, before the freeze.

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Re: Liberty Caps? (ID request) [Re: mjshroomer]
    #5349366 - 02/28/06 01:21 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

And thats That ,Out with a flash.......


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