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Psilocybeingzz


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Farming the backyard (5 acres)
#5332947 - 02/23/06 08:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Changes. 
So a friend of mine has some land(4 maybe 5 acres) and we plan on growing veggies , herbs and even some mushrooms (moreals if I still have time)
My friend wants to grow Saffron(spelling) , he claims that Saffron its the worlds most expensive spice( is it??)
We are going to grow Saffron, Peppermint(even though its not worth tons of $$$) Moreals, and all sorts of medical herbs. ) ( I have lots of idea of what I would like to grow, but now I need to know how to grow these herbs, which should be simple enough.......but what would you pick???)
We plan on selling our stuff at the locals farmers market this year, and around town wherever we can........
WHAT WOULD YOU GROW?????? We are looking for plants with a high return, or al least some plants that wont cost more to grow then to sell.
We are going to do a bit of everything(most of which will be legit ) , and we dont plan to make lots especially the first summer, but its going to be alot of fun, we have been dreaming about something like this for year...I cant belive this summer its finally going to happen.
I'm gunna be a farmer
So we live in zone 9 , what would you grow here????? We want to make the best use of our space possible, its going to be hard work, but we are both willing to pour our blood sweat and tears into this. 
This is really important to me, I thank you for your time in advance
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#5333049 - 02/23/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I'm always surprised at how people make a living selling produce in a road side stand, but they do. I see cars parked along the road and people shopping at road side vegetable stores.
I stopped at one in the wilds of north Wisconsin and the guy sends his son on a 4 wheeler to pick the vegies fresh from the vine. Pumpkins, peppers string beans tomatoes might be good sellers. Picking beans can be a lot of work.
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Booby]
#5333263 - 02/23/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well it seems my fellow British Columbian that we are in the same boat and just like you I cant believe it is actually happening, finally!! I myself have come into a piece of land in which I am farming this year. Mostly pepper products; tinctures, fresh and dried whole fruit, seeds, the whole nine. Also have thoughts on some Ashwagandha and some random veggies, ie: Peas and melons. Just two days ago I chose my garden site and cleared the large debris. I would guess it is the ball park of 1000sqft. The ground here is still frozen and we got a little dump of snow today, but I'm stoked, lots of work to be done.
Psilocybeingzz, what part of BC are you from, I am in Penticton.
Also if you can take some pics of your new farm, I will take some of mine. I wouldn't mind making a log about the whole process.
Are deer a major concern in your area like in mine? We had 10 up the hill from us today and my garden is surrounded by game trails. I have a good fence idea though.
How about water, in the Okanagan, the summer is dry and I will have to no doubt haul water, Im thinking underground water tubs with some drip lines may make things a tad easier.
Good luck and happy gardening 
PS: Just in case you dont already have this. Prisoner #1 made a great thread on companion planting http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/3872990#Post3872990
Edited by RyanKerr (02/23/06 09:52 PM)
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Kerr]
#5333962 - 02/24/06 02:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Brocolli, carrots, garlic (plant now), hot chillies, basil (you can make a lot of cash off basil, sell it freshly picked by the bunch), other herbs, spring onions, whatever.
It is true that saffron is the worlds most expensive spice, but for good reason - it has an extremely small yeild for the amount of space used. Like three little pubes of saffron per plant kind of thing. I've talked to a guy who tried to grow it commercially, he decided it wasn't worth his while unless he had a large bit of land to use for it (like larger than 5 acres)...although it could be worth a shot anyway, you'd probably still make a little bit off it, or at the very least it would be interesting.
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: zee_werp]
#5334680 - 02/24/06 11:43 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey what a great opportunity! I would dedicate 1 acre to tomatoes. A second acre would have a companion planting of corn and watermelon. The third acre would have potatoes. And maybe some other companion plant, sunflowers perhaps? The fourth would be the blueberry/rasberry patch, yummm! The fifth and final would be an orchard. Peaches, apricots, pears and apples. Be sure to rotate the vegetable crops every year, and plant garlic anywhere and everywhere!
Now what would you do with 42 acres? 
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Psilopleix]
#5334933 - 02/24/06 01:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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1 acre seems a lot to dedicate to tomatoes, considering how easy it is for stuff to go wrong with them...insect problems, splitting, high water demand, etc...I mean tomatoes are great, but I don't think I'd want to grow that many of them without really know what I was doing. Don't most tomato growers of that scale use quite a few chems? I'd go for more diversity than just one or two types per acre...that way at least if you mess something up with one type of plant, you haven't lost a quarter or fifth of your whole annual crop.
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: zee_werp]
#5334939 - 02/24/06 01:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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grow some fractal broccoli , there was a thread about it here i just read it. heh
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: shriek]
#5335041 - 02/24/06 02:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Tomatoes, cucumbers and peas are a good harvest. But do you think you will receive a serious profit?
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: MxIndustry]
#5335269 - 02/24/06 03:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Thanks for all the replies  I am even more excited now.
RyanKerr, I would love to snap some pics, but dont let the images fool you, it will be a nice little farm, right now its just a patch of dirt beside an old run down house(300$ rent a month ) We plan on fixing the house a bit to. but lets make a couple of grow logs, just dont out do me to much
I am pretty sure that working the land(getting it ready for planting) will be the hardest part , as for companion planting, I was planning on doing that for sure, because A. I dont plan on using chems, and mono crops "need" chems, hence the problems with factory style farming these days , abd B. Some plants work really well together, I have read about mixing crops for years, but I will still read Pris's thread. He's a cool guy, and he knows what he's talking about 
Zeewerp, I will email you right away, I got your PM, it sounds nice, I cant wait to meet you.
This is one of my dreams, and its finally here, I know there will be some stuggle but I have land, and a best friend willing to work his ass off(well actually its his land, but lets call it OUR land )
I have to chek the soil composition, read up growing these herbs and veggies, and grab some free horse poo.
I live in a little town, and the sign entering the town says "expect horse on our roads" so free poo isnt a problem, I remember one summer getting 2 giant garbage bags for a myco project, but hey thats another story , a very nice bulk story, but I will share that another time.
I think I can check the soil specs at city hall, but I also plan on checking the soil myself, this is where things like hardpans etc, things I have only read about, become real. Looks like I am going to have to dig up my organic growing books etc.
I plan to keep this thread alive for quite some time, PLEASE add to it if you have something to say. I cant wait to start my grow log.
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#5335529 - 02/24/06 05:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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5 acres of cannabis should be the reality
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: faslimy]
#5335792 - 02/24/06 07:05 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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C'mon faslimy, get real! Don't you mean 2.5 acres of cannabis, 2.5 acres of cacti? :p
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: zee_werp]
#5335910 - 02/24/06 07:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've taken a stroll through the 1 acre organic tomato farm here in AZ. They attract alot of insects with flowers/herbs that increase the biodiversity and thats how they avoid harmful pesticides. Crop rotation keeps disease from building in the soils. A thick layer of mulch decreases evaporation. So IT is possible... and that is how your going to do it organically.
Also, keep in mind your not growing one crop a year. In actuality you can grow several crops a year adhering to the proper seasons. Pick the right varieties (quick maturing types), and you can really take advantage of this. Do alot of research of what will do well in your climate. If you know nothing about plants, buy a few books. You'll be thanking yourself at the end of the season. READ READ READ! 
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#5337133 - 02/25/06 04:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I worked a spot of ground real good and threw in handfuls of fruit pits from an apricot tree and they germinated sporadically some the first spring some the next (I guess to allow for fire's or something) Anyway, I let them grow in that bed two years then pulled them trimming them roots and all and planted them in the rows. This could be one way of producing flowering bushes for sale on street corners in early spring
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#5340240 - 02/26/06 07:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I've found that growing a big patch of Gotu Kola - Indian pennywort - Brahmi is easy and a good return if you have alot of eclectic health food stores in the area. People will buy fresh. They can also juice it with wheatgrass for a brain drink. You probably can't sell an acre of it though, so maybe also some fresh Panax Ginseng and Aswagandha root?
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: eve69]
#5340527 - 02/26/06 10:21 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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I have had great luck selling avaocado, orange, lemon and coffee trees. I start them indoors then move the containers out when it's warm enough. People will be tripping over eachother to get to them. The fruits are quite common but the trees they come from rarly make it to the market place, even though they do very well indoors. Keep them in containers, as they sell you will be opening space for cool season crops. This will allow you to use the same space two maybe three times a season.
I can also think of a few choice plants and trees could sell very well right here on the shroomery.
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#5344113 - 02/27/06 03:02 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Grow lots of ginger! Stays ''fresh'' longer than most vegetables and it's relatively expensive considering how hard it is to grow
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Anonymous]
#5344311 - 02/27/06 06:38 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Just posting here so the viewing list of forums goes back to normal
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Boom]
#5348639 - 02/28/06 09:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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why not build a small pcv type greenhouse, and besides selling the fruits from the garden, you could sell plants/seedlings to the local at home farmers
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: ChromeCrow]
#5358130 - 03/02/06 04:04 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Update: 
My ideas so far:Basil, Catnip, Catgrass, Ginger,Some kind of strawberries if they are not to much trouble, I know that certain plants can be planted with them, which helps because they can be alot of work(pests etc etc) I am so sleep deprived, and I havent been looking in my favorite plant book for awhile, so my brain is a mess, but here are some other ideas, the problem is while the names are familar I am not sure that I will grow all of these , I know lots about some of these and remember little about others............
Borago officianalis - Borage Gingko biloba - Gingko Tree (this will be a hard one to grow I think, growing this one will be more of a fun experiment, we wont be devoting large ammounts of space to Ginko, its just for fun wink.gif Chamomile (maybe, maybe not I have to do more research, I know it wont be impossible to grow, but will it be worth devoting a sizable ammount of space) Fennel Feverfew Foxglove Goldenseal Lemon Balm Lemon Grass Cali Poppy Corn Poppy Valerian Thyme(to common to be worth my time?? wink.gif ) Lam joke I know. Uva Ursi/Bearberry Mentha piperita - Chocolate Mint (ever heard of this one it sounds alot less common then peppermint and I think the name will really `catch peoples eyes "mm chocolate mint" smile.gif Rose Hips Scutellaria laterifolia - Common Skullcap Scutellaria bacalensis - Baikal Scullcap (never heard of this one, but I am going to look into it) Silybum marianum - Milk Thistle Verbascum thapsus - Mullein
Add to that list various chinesse herbs that I cant think of right now, but I will look in my book and list them soon. Also, add oysters, and reshi mushrooms(and hopefully lionsmane, and`Shitake) grown indoors of course, and Morels outside this spring........if I still have time.
well those are some of the herbs I want to grow, now I just need to figure out if its possible, oh and we are doing a LARGE salvia grow biggrin.gif (yes Salvia D, not the common sage)
Veggies (a list of possible choices)will come next, maybe even a couple of fruits, but as for the herbs I have to figure out if I can actually grow these, and if it will be worth all of the work and money I am going to put in.
PLEASE OFFER some ADVICE, cause I will listen......I took out some books on growing and selling herbs yesterday, this project is what keeps me going when I wake up for work at 3:30am, daily. 
PLEASE offer some advice !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :guitar:
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: ChromeCrow]
#5358146 - 03/02/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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if had some space the first thing would be a herbs garden... tea herbs and even some salvia! oregano!
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Simisu]
#5358152 - 03/02/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Maybe look into some of the super easy to grow plants containing DMT. Could be a good market if sold online. Maybe a small patch of N. Rustica?
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#5359170 - 03/02/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Start indoors NOW~!
I was ordering seeds off ebay 3 months ago, and just now I am putting indoor plants, outside. Some, not all. I live in the south but a lot of my plants are still indoors.
I hope you guys aren't doing this for profit because besides things that are illegal, gardening really isn't THAT profitable, compared to the hard work you put into it.
Do it for fun, and healing yourself and your friends.. You may find yourself letdown at the amount of work/return you see, or you may find yourself surprised. So, expect nothing..
Good luck! And by the way, it is said ONE MAN can tend to, plant, and harvest one acre by himself... Thus, 5 acres is really great and all, but it will be impossible to pull off with only two guys, even if you work 12 hour days.
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We crave knowledge, and love plants, and mushrooms. We also dont want to work for other people anymore.
And we WILL eventually have success.
I dont expect great profit during the first year, and thats not my plan, but I do expect to learn alot and have fun.
This morning I came up with another idea, jams, I already and pretty familar with presure cookers 
Maybe even some weird combos like fruits and herbs , stawberry mint sounds nice, and if it didnt work, we would try something else. As for farming a whole 5 acres, the salvias will be in a certain area , in the sade, the veggies somehwere the herbs some where else, we are going to try and postion each plant group in the right spots, (sun exposure, dips in hills and the tendency for ocasional flooding all have an effect, irrigation will be used)
So if you get what I am saying we are going to be really selective, we dont plan on being able to do the whole 5 acres, but we get alot done in even a day.
Small scale beauty baby
Edited by Psilocybeingzz (03/05/06 12:33 PM)
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#5384278 - 03/10/06 02:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i hear ginseng roots can net some $, they take a while to mature i believe though. especially with all the energy drinks and herbal booms that is being marketed and consumed.
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: fresh313]
#5413831 - 03/17/06 05:11 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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BUMP!!!!!!! more to come SOON!
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#5415197 - 03/18/06 05:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Hey dude. Your so lucky!!! I'm saving up to buy some land. I just grow weed indoors and tomatos, onions and herbs in the garden (1/4acre). For a more profit and a bit more work, grow tomatos, basil, onions, thyme, parsley etc. Then make bolognase sauce in jars! I used to be an italian chef for a while so i can send you a good recipe if you don't know one already. Just get some big pots to make it in and jar it when its boiling hot. The pressure created when it cools will seal the jars. Do it all organic and make your own little labels. I don't know about in the US, but in UK theres a big market for that kinda thing. You'll be able to charge more than most brand name. Organic, homemade bolognase sauce!! I can almost hear the cash registers!!! The end product will be worth much more than the sum of its parts!!! Good luck!!
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pioneering_south said: Start indoors NOW~!
I was ordering seeds off ebay 3 months ago, and just now I am putting indoor plants, outside. Some, not all. I live in the south but a lot of my plants are still indoors.
I hope you guys aren't doing this for profit because besides things that are illegal, gardening really isn't THAT profitable, compared to the hard work you put into it.
Do it for fun, and healing yourself and your friends.. You may find yourself letdown at the amount of work/return you see, or you may find yourself surprised. So, expect nothing..
Good luck! And by the way, it is said ONE MAN can tend to, plant, and harvest one acre by himself... Thus, 5 acres is really great and all, but it will be impossible to pull off with only two guys, even if you work 12 hour days.
No, reckon that you can do it dude. An the acre messurement comes from the amount of land a horse can plow in a day. It'll be alot of work planting and harvesting, but the rest of the upkeep work will only be 20ish man hours a week. And as i said, do something to your crop to add value to it. Jaring stuff up will keep longer too.
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Re: Farming the backyard (5 acres) [Re: Psilocybeingzz]
#5440809 - 03/25/06 11:58 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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hey man that sounds pretty nice! planning to come back to canada this summer for a visit, perhaps a trip over your way would be in order. I'd love to get some good ol fashion grown veggies and such!
I think along with herbs and that, teas would make a bit of coin. Eevryone likes teas, and in BC organic is getting rather popular (and $$$). Theres a good tea farm on the island that specialize in organic tea. REAL goo shit! but its about $5 for an 1/4 O size bag.
That and grapes. Vinyards seem to do well in bc as well....but its a populated market i think.
Good luck man, your living one of my dreams!
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