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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5335845 - 02/24/06 07:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Alex213 Stated:

Those arent convincing


Well having people vote in higher numbers then what we have here in the states, doesnt seem like something that has turned for the better in Iraq, then sir, what would be?

You dont like to see once oppressed people vote?

So the rape camps and mass graves are ok, when Saddam was in power?

You dont think that women in Iraq will be at least treated half human? You would it rather be the other way?


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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5335868 - 02/24/06 07:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Well having people vote in higher numbers then what we have here in the states, doesnt seem like something that has turned for the better in Iraq, then sir, what would be?




Well with the people running on the ticket here in the US i couldnt understand why this isnt true.

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You dont like to see once oppressed people vote?




OH WONT YOU THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

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So the rape camps and mass graves are ok, when Saddam was in power?




What about the rape camps in Darfur,Sudan? North Korea, China's genocide of east Turkestan and Falun Gong members. This seems strange especially since all the shit we are charging Saddam with.(I believe the massive gassing of Kurds in Irbil) Was a result of the chemical components we gave to Saddam to fight the EVIL Ayatollah in Iraq. We sure as hell didnt make a big stink about it in 1988 why now?

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You dont think that women in Iraq will be at least treated half human? You would it rather be the other way?




Well im sure the people we are putting into power in Iraq like SCIRI will certainly treat women with respect. Oh wait i mean they will rule their country by Sharia (Islamic Doctrine).

IF you think that the people were puttin into power are gonna be non-violent good little american democracy you got another thing coming. Say hello to cozy relations with Iran and more roving religious lunatics with ak47s and russian made at-4s the only reason their not attacking us is because we put them in power.


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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5335998 - 02/24/06 08:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
Well having people vote in higher numbers then what we have here in the states, doesnt seem like something that has turned for the better in Iraq, then sir, what would be?




High voting numbers does not mean that the overall situation has improved.

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You dont like to see once oppressed people vote?





Me personally...I don't give a shit. I'm an isolationist. Those people can rot for all I care.

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So the rape camps and mass graves are ok, when Saddam was in power?





Rape camps? I've never heard of those.

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You dont think that women in Iraq will be at least treated half human? You would it rather be the other way?




Women were actually treated quite well under Saddam. For all of his Islamic bluster his regime was actually quite secular. Women went to school, worked, and had incredible freedoms in comparison to most other Muslim countries. There is actually a danger of women's rights being rescinded now that religious Shi'ite political parties are gaining power.

Note that all of this is not an endorsement of Saddam by me (he was a violent third-world scumbag dictator). I think he should be drug out into the street and shot.


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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: The_Red_Crayon]
    #5336049 - 02/24/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: Skeptikos]
    #5336328 - 02/24/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

and Russian made at-4s the only reason their not attacking us is because we put them in power.

My god, dont pretend you know nomenclature..... AT-4 is not Russian it is American.

As far as Rape Camps.......

http://usembassy.state.gov/nigeria/wwwhp101002c.html


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Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: Skeptikos]
    #5336331 - 02/24/06 10:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Whoops. Sorry,


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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5336366 - 02/24/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
and Russian made at-4s the only reason their not attacking us is because we put them in power.

My god, dont pretend you know nomenclature..... AT-4 is not Russian it is American.



How is this a response to my post?


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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5336591 - 02/25/06 12:04 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

SirTripAlot said:
and Russian made at-4s the only reason their not attacking us is because we put them in power.

My god, dont pretend you know nomenclature..... AT-4 is not Russian it is American.

As far as Rape Camps.......

http://usembassy.state.gov/nigeria/wwwhp101002c.html




Actually it was made by the swedes. Russia just stole the prototype and stamped them. Usually this and rpg-7s are the main antitank arsenal of the jihadis.


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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5336600 - 02/25/06 12:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well having people vote in higher numbers then what we have here in the states, doesnt seem like something that has turned for the better in Iraq, then sir, what would be?


Water? Electricity? Employment? Not having your country occupied by a foreign power? The ability to walk down the street without being shot?

You dont like to see once oppressed people vote?


You think because people are allowed a vote they arn't repressed? Those police death squads patrolling the streets arn't repressive in your book?

So the rape camps and mass graves are ok, when Saddam was in power?


The mass graves mostly date from the 1980's and shortly after the Gulf war. If you were concerned about these then why was Rumsfield shaking Saddams hand at the time?

And I don't think you really want to get into human rights abuses. The ex-prime minister of Iraq says human rights abuses are worse now than they were under Saddam.

You dont think that women in Iraq will be at least treated half human? You would it rather be the other way?

You've got this the wrong way round. Saddam's Iraq was secular. Women had more rights under Saddam than other Arab countries. With the religious fanatics now controlling large areas of Iraq womens rights are rapidly dwindling.


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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: Alex213]
    #5337075 - 02/25/06 03:05 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)



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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: heidegger]
    #5337156 - 02/25/06 04:32 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Friday, February 24, 2006
Fierce streetfighting at my doorstep for the last 3 hours. Rumor in the neighbourhood is that men in black are trying to enter the area. Some armed kids defending the local mosque three blocks away are splattering bullets at everything that moves, and someone in the street was shouting for people to prepare for defending themselves.

There's supposed to be a curfew, but it doesn't look like it. My net connection is erratic, so I'll try to update again if possible. The news from other areas in Baghdad are horrible. I don't think it's being reported anywhere.

My father and uncle are agitatedly walking back and forth in the hallway, asking me what we should do if the mob or Interior ministry forces try to attack us in our homes? I have no answer for them.


Phew. Sounds like a really great place. Fancy taking a holiday in Baghdad this year SirTrip?


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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5337786 - 02/25/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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SirTripAlot said:
Just imagine being an Iraqi, if Saddam would be in power right know. Fast forward twenty years from now, you will see something much better. All of which steams from US involvement.





Yeah, imagine if Saddam was still in power and Iraq wasn't the terrorist state it has become. Imagine if we hadn't dumped $250 billion (and counting) there. Imagine if we hadn't killed 30,000 - 100,000 Iraqi citizens. Imagine if we hadn't lost 2287 US soldiers. Imagine if our government hadn't lost credibility getting us into this quagmire.

The bottom line is that it IS nice that we freed the Iraqi people, but we could have done a LOT more with that money and with our military. We could have fed the world 3 times over for Christ's sake.




Lonestar: Bush will definitely go down as one of the WORST Presidents ever, but I'll tell you what. If someday The History Channel does do a show like the one you described, I owe you a coke.








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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: Learyfan]
    #5339240 - 02/25/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Alex213,

You been to Iraq? I have. I fought there. The people have their own feuds to settle with one another. Their will be blood shed. Nation building is a dirty business. Show me a nation in history that didn't shed blood since its conception. Being a student of history, I challenge you to show me one.You see the people there? Ever see the look in thier eyes as they went to the polling station? Were do you get your news? Your willing to take the word of an Iraqi Prime minister under Saddam telling you that human rights are worse now? The "knowledge" of the untested like you makes me sick. I glad there are people like you with your mindset, I would keep you as far away from my flank in a firefight as possible.


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Fear is the mind-killer.
Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration.
I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me.
And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path.
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain.”


Edited by SirTripAlot (02/25/06 08:56 PM)


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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5339741 - 02/25/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Nation building is a dirty business, no one will disagree that there wont be bloodshed. But we really should not be nation building. There are worse dictators to take out if our goal is intervene. Bush did it on false pretenses and was scandolous about the entire thing, has hidden motives surrounding money, if it is going to be more than 10 year war to help these violent people than the public will be outraged on top of all Bush's deception and we will pull out and accomplish nothing. We should pull out now to prevent that. I guarntee that if we want to keep Iraq nonviolent (great job we're doing now) that we'll have to stay there much longer than 10 years, as it is these people's nature for violence. The civilians, the ones we are trying to help, are the very people fighting us. We should get the fuck out of there now, it'd be so wasteful if we stayed any longer. Bush got his revenge, Cheney got his no-bid contract, now can we please end the dying of us and let them kill themselves?


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Re: Situation in Iraq growing more dire. [Re: SirTripAlot]
    #5340784 - 02/26/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

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Alex213,

You been to Iraq? I have. I fought there. The people have their own feuds to settle with one another. Their will be blood shed. Nation building is a dirty business. Show me a nation in history that didn't shed blood since its conception. Being a student of history, I challenge you to show me one.You see the people there? Ever see the look in thier eyes as they went to the polling station? Were do you get your news? Your willing to take the word of an Iraqi Prime minister under Saddam telling you that human rights are worse now? The "knowledge" of the untested like you makes me sick. I glad there are people like you with your mindset, I would keep you as far away from my flank in a firefight as possible.




It's like you spent our rent money on a big screen TV. I'm trying to explain to you that while having a big screen TV is nice, the money would be much better spent elsewhere.









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