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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Sclorch]
    #5336327 - 02/24/06 10:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Since most people here seem to be posting mystical experiences with drugs heres one without any drugs.

My first mystical experience was when I was about 3 years old. I was sitting in the park by myself got bored and started questioning what I was and how I existed, somehow I came to a conclusion that I couldn't exist, and my existence was an illusion.

The next thing I remember I floated out of my body straight upward, I got scared that I would lose sight of my body so I concentrated on it as I flew straight up ever higher. What I saw was kinda of like funnel vision somehow I could still see my body even though I was up in space looking down at it.

It was there I heard voices and felt the presence of God telling me to go back to my body as that was what I was here for.

I had other similar experiences like this in childhood, the other experiences I didn't leave my body because I was to afraid and instead I ended up feeling like I didn't exist and was terrified at the thought of it. When I would come back I would have amnesia for a short period of time, I had to fight really hard to get my memory back which is why I have not attempted this since.

My thought to get into this state in questioning my existence is mentally going beyond the limits of our 3 dimensional world, I would keep thinking I was infinitely large and infinitely small at the same time and found that being infinitely large and small are the same thing.

Its hard to describe how I got into these states, but now that I am older and wiser I find what I have read about the Merkaba Meditation and self inquiry into getting to these states to be similar to what I did, I was just doing it in a different way.

I've thought about going back to methods to achieve enlightened states naturally without drugs, but my unpleasant experiences as a child have kept me from it. I mean isn't enlightenment suppose to be a pleasant thing? Was I doing something wrong? Was it the fear that made it unpleasant?

I have recently had a spiritual awakening and know I must move toward the path of enlightenment and purge this fear from me.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Demotriton]
    #5336567 - 02/24/06 11:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You guys should try the biggest trip of all: stepping away from the bullshit.

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What justifies believing an experience is a truely divine one? Simply because it appeared mystical?



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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5336706 - 02/25/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, I have had a truely spiritual and mystical trip before although not through and mind-altering substances. Me and my band usually get together an improvise music for about 10-30 mins just as a warm-up but about 2 weeks ago we just kept on playing and playing for almost 2 and a half hours. Now at a certain point during that time maybe about an hour through, I lost track of time, I lost track of the world around me I became totally engrossed in the music being played and the gap between what I was playing and pure emotion and thought was bridged. It was an experience like no other. I suggest all of you to play music , get reasonably good to the point where you are comfortable improvising and then play for as long as it takes for you to feel this. Please send me a PM if you've had the same experience.

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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5336790 - 02/25/06 01:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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What justifies believing an experience is a truely divine one? Simply because it appeared mystical?



Because it feels divine. You can't even understand what the divine is until you've had a mystical experience.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5336825 - 02/25/06 01:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Because it feels divine. You can't even understand what the divine is until you've had a mystical experience.

And how are we to know if we've had a mystical experience? Define mystical in less than one paragraph, in your own words, please.




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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5336833 - 02/25/06 01:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Because it feels divine. You can't even understand what the divine is until you've had a mystical experience.

And how are we to know if we've had a mystical experience? Define mystical in less than one paragraph, in your own words, please.



I cannot describe to you that which is beyond description. You are asking me to explain mysticism using the language of rationalism, which cannot be done. Mysticism transcends definition. All I can say is if you've had a mystical experience, you'll know.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5336890 - 02/25/06 01:44 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If you've experienced it, you can conceptualize it - because it existed. Therefore, I think you are able to communicate it. If it exists, it can be communicated, one way or another. You prove this with your own parent post, as you've described your mystical experience. You say "mysticism transcends definition", neglecting the fact that it is only because mysticism is definable, that it can be communicated in the first place.
Take a trip to the library and visit the "New Age" section for further evidence. The very fact that such aspects of human nature exists and is communicatable, lines the pockets of many a mystic.


If something truly cannot be explicitly understood, and it cannot be proven, it isn't worth thinking of.




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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5336903 - 02/25/06 01:47 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I could describe my mystical experiences(in fact, I did in this thread), but describing mysticism only tends to make sense to those who can relate to it. People have to have a common point of reference in order to communicate.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5336911 - 02/25/06 01:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what must be understood is that the map is not the territory, intellectual study of mystical knowledge is all well and good but it is not mystical knowledge.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5336918 - 02/25/06 01:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

So you can describe/define mysticism. Please do so in less than one paragraph, in your own words.




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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5336928 - 02/25/06 01:53 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Mysticism is the experience of that which is transcendent.

Any further elaboration on that would be asking too much, I'm afraid.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5336954 - 02/25/06 02:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Because it feels divine. You can't even understand what the divine is until you've had a mystical experience.

I've had a number of experiences which seemed divine, ineffable, or transcendent. But, simply because something appears or feels a certian way, it must be that way?


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5336965 - 02/25/06 02:06 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

thats like saying i broke my leg yesterday and it seemed painful but was it actually painful? the fact that it seemed painful is enough to make it painful.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5336970 - 02/25/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Transcendent of what, specifically?

From that definition alone, I've had many a mystic experience, as many others have. I've transcended nescience [which is a continual transcendence everyone goes through], I've transcended suffering, and I've transcended various forms of deficiency-cognition, to name the bare essentials.



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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Deviate]
    #5336973 - 02/25/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That says nothing about the meaning of the pain, only of its existence.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5336980 - 02/25/06 02:09 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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That says nothing about the meaning of the pain, only of its existence.




well i am not saying anything about the meaning of the divine, only that it exists.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5337003 - 02/25/06 02:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Because it feels divine. You can't even understand what the divine is until you've had a mystical experience.

I've had a number of experiences which seemed divine, ineffable, or transcendent. But, simply because something appears or feels a certian way, it must be that way?



Our senses are our only way of experiencing the world. If feeling divinity doesn't qualify as an experience of the divine, then the whole concept of the divine becomes moot.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5337011 - 02/25/06 02:18 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)


Transcendent of what, specifically?


that is the right question to ask but i think it only illustrates the language problem paradigm mentioned. i "know" what paradigm means when he says the transcendent. i also know that from a purely intellectual standpoint that it is not an adequate explanation.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5337013 - 02/25/06 02:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Transcendent of what, specifically?

From that definition alone, I've had many a mystic experience, as many others have. I've transcended nescience [which is a continual transcendence everyone goes through], I've transcended suffering, and I've transcended various forms of deficiency-cognition, to name the bare essentials.



See, I knew it was going to come to this. You keep badgering me about a definition when I've already told you it defies the ability to adequately define. Not everything fits so neatly into your hyper-rationalistic objectivist worldview in which everything is easily defined and categorized. I've said all I can. You'll just have to figure it out on your own.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Deviate]
    #5337016 - 02/25/06 02:22 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't disagree that the feeling of divineness exists, but I do disagree that this feeling justifies assuming experiences in which this sensation is present are truely representational of divinity. Feeling depressed doesn't mean the external world is depressed, and likewise, because a certian chemical gives you the sensation of deep insight or illumination doesn't mean what you're experiencing is truely divine.


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