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Mystical Experience Survey
    #5329756 - 02/22/06 10:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Who here has had some mystical experience? Either tripping or sober. Did you feel that you were seeing/experiencing God? Has your experience influenced your beliefs? Do you conseder your experience to justify your beliefs?

I've had two major trips that strongly influenced my beliefs. One was on five grams of mushrooms. I experienced a sense of oneness with the universe. I felt a sort of ultimate reality that could be called God, or the One. After that, I came to understand what is meant we people say we are all one.

The other trip was on approx. 3 hits of acid, plus an E pill. During my peak, I closed my eyes and saw the face of Jesus. I felt the power of Christ come over me, feeling a sense of unconditional brotherly love towards everyone. That night, I accepted Christ as my lord and savior, and feel that this experience profoundly changed my heart. I became interested in gnosticism after this, and found much wisdom in what I've read about it.

So anyway, share your mystical experiences with everyone, and how they affected you.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5329899 - 02/22/06 10:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I've felt the whole we are one thing.

Question for you though.  When you saw the face of Jesus did he look how Western civilization depicts him?

btw...funny as I was writing my question to you about your Jesus experience I was listening to a Blind Melon song I put on before seeing your post and some of the lyrics came up

"But if I could buy the sky that's hangin'
Over this bed of mine
If I could climb these vines
And maybe see what you're seein'

If you were standing on the corner staring straight
Into the eyes of Jesus Christ"

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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: barfightlard]
    #5329928 - 02/22/06 10:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Question for you though. When you saw the face of Jesus did he look how Western civilization depicts him?



Sort of, but not exactly. I should say it looked more like his astral body than like a physical body. It doesn't matter to me whether the way Jesus appeared to me was historically accurate. What mattered for me was the feeling of Christ consciousness that came over me, and the way it changed my heart.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5329946 - 02/22/06 10:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ok, I was just courious. Your right the feeling is what matters anyways. Glad to hear you had a positive life changing experience.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5330143 - 02/22/06 11:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Gomp]
    #5330377 - 02/23/06 01:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ive had many mystical experiences, either acheived through surrender or self-inquiry while under the influence of a psychedelic chemcial (which i no longer use). i will describe one of my 2 experiences of the christ consciousness though because i feel these are the most interesting. i was high on marijuana and performed self inquiry, as i continued the inquiry i kept rising higher and higher in consciousness until the point where i was so far above my normal level of awareness that all sense of seperation and duality dissapeared. the world was just a tiny appearance in my all encompassing awareness and i looked upon it with an unconditional love. essentially i became the consciousness of God, looking down on creation and i realized that we are all God, it's just we don't normally have full awareness of this. its important to note that i did not perceice the world as seperate from myself. at this moment jesus's words came to me"
"I am the light that is over all things. I am all: from me all came forth, and to me all attained.

Split a piece of wood; I am there.

Lift up the stone, and you will find me there." and i understood.

2 other things i understood were what jesus meant when he said "there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed to you" and "whatsoever you have done unto the least of my breathren, you have done unto me".

this onness with God, being God in on earth, is what i call the christ consciousness. i'm going to stop here because i simply become frustrated when i try to put this experience into words, i cannot describe it properly or in a way that satisfies me.

this experience certainly influenced by beliefs, i had recently gone from atheist/materialist to buddhist and after this experience i began to consider myself a christian and became interested in gnosticism and other teachings having to do with christ.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5330693 - 02/23/06 06:30 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

With nitrous I am often able to very temporarily enter a state of seemingly nonduality, where I am not aware of anything, even the lack thereof. I'm only able to infer such an experience, as I have no memory of it during the experience itself. It's more like there's a blip in my awareness where time seems to skip forward a few seconds.

A more profound mystical experience occured on two hits of fairly weak LSD and two hits of decent MDMA. I intended it as a therapeutic psychedelic experience, wherein I could learn more about myself and interpersonal relations, etc. I gained quite a bit of insight during the beginnings of the experience.

Then at one point, I was checking my e-mail (yes, silly to be doing such a thing during a psychedelic experience, but it was what I did), when suddenly my mind went silent, as though I had been meditating for hours. Then a voice practically shouted at me, though 'a voice' wouldn't be the best description of it, more like an intuited voice, it said "FIND CHRIST". I just about threw myself on the floor, where there was an art book by Alex Grey, and started flipping madly through it to find his painting entitled "Christ". I was so compelled to do so that I'm not sure if anything could have stopped me. Finally I found it, and gazed into the eyes of the painting.

For a moment it seemed like just a painting, but then suddenly it seemed as though a tangible force 'entered' the painting, and I got the impression that I was staring into the eyes of Christ himself. (keep in mind I was born and raised Jewish). I felt completely and utterly fulfilled, as though I could rest that way eternally. I managed to scribble down a few things in my notebook during the experience somehow, including "Christ's love is infinite...all else is irrelevant" and "Mission of life: free yourself from Maya" (Maya being Hindu for the illusion of duality and suffering which creates Karma).

I also got the intuitive message that I still had work to do. Right after that I intuited that the force would be leaving in a moment. Just a minute or so later, the force simply vanished, and my rational mind kicked into overdrive, trying to rationalize and figure out what the hell just happened.

I'm still not sure what happened, though it's possible I temporarily experienced the Logos or experienced what I've learned the Christian's call a 'divine grace'.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5330839 - 02/23/06 08:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I used to suffer from mystical expirences. Then I realized it was my own mind empowering me through choice. I realized that religious thought was unnecessary, and that there is plenty to be in awe about without all the nonsensical explanation. There is still much mystery in the Universe, which is fragmented. It is not "us" who is a fragmented whole, but the knowledge we contain.

Any attempt to put emotion behind the mathematics, is essentially human, in nature. It is flawed, incomplete, and does not reveal the true reality; only the humanized one.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5330914 - 02/23/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

My first BIG mystical experience was once when I did cock and took some pills - I don't remember exactly 1 or 2 - and everybody around me was so freaking paranoid and you could really feel the tensions and the negative vibrations they were inducing.
In just wouldn't go into that state and I couldn't leave from there because I was so high I was not able to call a cab, try to act sober while being in the cab, and all that shit I had to do till I finally got home.
So all I could do was stay there and concentrate to ignoring them. And I was able to do that, and much more. Suddenly EVERYTHING made sense, I could see that I really needed that to happen so I could realize that I'm able to go trough anything and still be ok, I could really enter their minds and understand what kind of problems and frustrations they were feeling that made them act so stupid. My mind became extremely clear and aware of everything around me, so that I was also able to fight with my every fear and negative thought.
Since then I've had less or more important mystical experiences, I can't write all of them right now because that's what I feel like right now, I just felt the huge need to tell this first one, because to me it's the most important, meaning that nothing compares with that first moment when you feel for the first time that fear, love, hate, lust, envy, happiness and every thought it's in your mind, it's all up to you whether you're happy or not and that you have the power to make great things. There are only two conditions: to be aware that it is possible, and to want it.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5330963 - 02/23/06 09:22 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

> Who here has had some mystical experience?

I have had experiences that I cannot explain. Mystical is as good of an adjective as any to describe them, I suppose.

> Either tripping or sober.

Both. First time was tripping, but the most mind shattering one was sober over the course of several months.

> Did you feel that you were seeing/experiencing God?

I cannot answer this with a "yes" or a "no".

> Has your experience influenced your beliefs?

Certainly.

> Do you conseder your experience to justify your beliefs?

Yes, but I don't consider my experiences justification to judge other people's beliefs.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5330994 - 02/23/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Due to the nebulosity of the word, I'm going to define Mystical as that which is a Mystery; mysterious experiences within my life that, ultimately, all things considered, I have no concrete answer for.

Did you feel that you were seeing/experiencing God?

No. I don't carry such a belief. I was experiencing or seeing an aspect of nature.


Has your experience influenced your beliefs?

My experience has influenced my attitudes to some extent, specifically, it has strengthened my wonder of such a mystery - but I've learned over time, to be careful to leave such a wonder alone - not because I wish for it to remain a mystery, but because I am cognizant of the fact that I simply won't find THE answer - only best guesses. Once more, this is something I've learned over time, experiences and growth of mature honesty.


Do you conseder your experience to justify your beliefs?

To justify the ponderment of such a mystery? Absolutely.




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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5332001 - 02/23/06 02:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I've never believed the bizarre experiences I've had were something more than bizarre experiences.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5332607 - 02/23/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Almost every Entheogenic Excursion, except for the very first weak ones, touched upon the mystical. However, over 30+ years of using Entheogens, first in conjunction with magickal theories, then with Yoga and Eastern thought, and finally with Christian theology, there have been a number of decidedly classic mystic experiences. These events constitute the most intimate experiences of my life - events which determined complete attitudes towards life and death and 'how' I should conduct my life.

I realize that this thread is really more of a voyeuristic attempt to read the particularities of people's mystical experiences, but for my part, I would sooner describe sexuality with my Lady in a public forum than expose these intimacies to public scrutiny. They are Sacred Events, and as such, they are far more intimate than any physical-emotional intimacies. they are deeper, closer-to-the-heart and beyond even the personal domain of experience that constitutes sexual intercourse with one's spouse. The mystical is transpersonal, and as such it takes one through the veils that ordinarily prevent one from experiencing the Divine Presence that is actually closer to us than our own jugular vein (as the Qur'an says in one of its truer statements).

I will, and have, gone out on a proverbial limb to discuss experiences of mental telepathy and precognition, even my most profound experience of Petitionary Prayer and its manifest results against astronomical odds. But of mystical experience I will say this: they are colored by the mental concepts that are being entertained during the time of life in which one has such experiences. So, if, like St. Paul who was busy repressing Christian sentiments and even participating in the murder of Jewish heretics (like St. Stephen, patron saint of the Grateful Dead who was 'stoned to death'), and one has, like Paul, an experience of the Presence of Christ, then you are also being granted an instant psychological analysis of the processes you are unaware of. Sometimes one consciously is 'into' one system and one has quite the opposite type of experience (just like the Pharisaic Paul). On the other hand, one may simply interpret based upon consciously held beliefs. When I saw those magnificent silvery kaleidoscopic wheels turning in the air, I saw 'magick circles' when I was into magick, I saw mandalas when I was into Eastern thought and Jung, I understood Ezekiel's vision when I was studying the Bible, and so on.

These are visions, not mysticism, and not revelatory visions at that, so I feel free to share. It is not like going into detail about that 'I' which is wise, which 'Knows,' as Ram Dass described his experience of Gnosis in BE HERE NOW. Ram Dass was bold to describe a pivotal experience in a book and I'm glad he did, yet without trying to give the impression that I am creating a personal mystique about my own experiences, I do not wish to expose that which is Sacred to me to any incredulous, sceptical, disbelieving eyes out there any more than any of you would want to place your naked spouse on public display.

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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #5333050 - 02/23/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I realize that this thread is really more of a voyeuristic attempt to read the particularities of people's mystical experiences



While that was part of the purpose here, I was also curious to see if any of the "skeptics"(by which I mean scientific materialists) had had any mystical experiences like my own. I was interested in knowing if they had simply not had the kind of experiences I've had, or if they had them but shrugged them off as mere hallucinations.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5333701 - 02/23/06 11:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

During one of my Salvia trips, I became a very tall tree. I think whats most interesting is how distorted my sense of reason was. On mushrooms or LSD, if I had the same perception, I would've realized how nonsensical this delusion was. Trees aren't conscious and I am, so I would've easily deduced that this was just some bizarre hallucination. But, on Salvia, it seemed so entirely normal to be a tree. At the time, I had no recollection of me being anything other than a tree and when I started to come back to 'ordinary reality', I thought I was having a delusion that I was a human being! Eventually, my memory returned and I became aware that I had taken a powerful drug and began to piece everything together, etc.

This experience had me shaken up for awhile. During the experience, I was so absolutely certian I was a tree and had no reason to doubt it.

Unfortunately, I have no way of verifying if I was truely a tree, or even if I still am tree hallucinating I'm a human. But, this possibility seems extremely low; what seems much more probable is that it was all just a hallucination.

I've decided to look at this experience the same way I view Solispism. I'll accept the slight possibility my mind left my body and merged into a tree, but I'm going to go on living as if its not a possibility at all. Even if I am 'truely' a delusional tree, right now I 'am' a human being. All the information I currently recieve supports this view and I don't seem to have any other choice but to go on living as a man. Thinking I was/am a tree doesn't seem to have any pragmatic value.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: MushmanTheManic]
    #5333765 - 02/24/06 12:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Ive had a few mystical/ religious experiences under mushrooms.

Ive strongly felt Christ through out my body and my soul and so many things ive learned from being a Catholic started to piece together so perfectly that the thought(s) became the answer or key to life. I felt Christ within my heart and every person's heart like it's commonly said. I looked at the journey of life in the human body as a taste of Jesus Christs own life, but not as extreme/harsh. I looked at a young kid and could see his whole life- his past present and future flashed through me. I had the strong urge to spread the word to every single human being about the love of Christ and felt (still feel) that when we all believe and have faith and go by God's word..that is when the skies will open and we will be invited to heaven - actually saw this happen in a closed- eye vision. This was the most positive experience, and also my first mushroom trip!

i have another experience ill post later if you want to know.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5333870 - 02/24/06 01:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I realize that this thread is really more of a voyeuristic attempt to read the particularities of people's mystical experiences



While that was part of the purpose here, I was also curious to see if any of the "skeptics"(by which I mean scientific materialists) had had any mystical experiences like my own. I was interested in knowing if they had simply not had the kind of experiences I've had, or if they had them but shrugged them off as mere hallucinations.




in my opinion, the mark of a true mystical experience is the realization that its not a hallucination, at least no more so than ordinary reality. for me mystical experience is simply the removal of ignorance, becomming aware of something which is obvious but i was somehow missing before. it a state of consciousness in which you can see and understand everything you previously saw and understood, but you understand MORE. as if you are looking at a picture and you zoom out, before the zoom you only saw a little part of the picture and did not see what lay around it. after you zoom out you stil see your little peice of picture but you also see more.

of course ive had bizzarre experiences as well like becomming a cactus. these experiences are interesting and obviously must fit in somewhere but i don't dwell on them or give them much importance because they don't constitute the removal of ignorance.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5334154 - 02/24/06 05:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Wasn't a condemning sentence - I'm fairly voyeuristic myself (but focused on women  :grin:). A sense of the sacred is necessary for people to discern true mystical experience and not merely psychic experiences. I wonder if people recognize 'holy wonder' and 'religious awe' if it occurs.


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Silversoul]
    #5334169 - 02/24/06 06:19 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This IS one..


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Re: Mystical Experience Survey [Re: Gomp]
    #5336166 - 02/24/06 09:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's fun to believe stuff.






You guys should try the biggest trip of all: stepping away from the bullshit.
I can't tell you how fucked up it is the moment you pull yourself out of the shit and realize that it's so much better without the extra weight that all that shit exerts on you. Your mind runs free. And without that overpowering stench, your nose can actually begin to smell again. No decongestant can do that... well, maybe a few bottles of cough syrup, but that can be hard on the stomach.


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