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OfflineJayBin
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Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!!
    #532922 - 01/27/02 01:43 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Some of my jars were not growing or had one inculation spot growing. I opened the jars and smelt it. It was a foul smell. Next morning my neck was swallen, hard to breath, ringing in my ears, sour thought, and couldnt move my neck because it was in so much pain. I called a doctor he said to come to the ER. There was no way i could drive. A freind picked me up and took me. Doctor had no idea what was wrong(said it was a viral thing), and i didnt want to explain the whole deal because my parents met me there. This is just warning to everyone, just remeber to be carefull with this stuff. I am still in pain and the doc just gave me a percribtion for Mortin IB. Anyone have any advice for me so i could fell better? Thanx


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin] * 1
    #532965 - 01/27/02 02:37 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

So you can feel better?
If you can score some benzos or any opiates you will feel alot better.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Syd_barret]
    #532970 - 01/27/02 02:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Thank you. i can barely move my neck. Is it possible for this to get worse? I am a little worried that my neck could swell to were i cant breath or something. I hoping my body fill fight it off fast.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin] * 1
    #532981 - 01/27/02 02:52 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I once got a mold spore in my left eye from contaminated casing. I got a SEVERE eye infection that caused temporary blindness. I had to go to a specialist and get steroidal and anti-biotic drops. Bacteria is very serious stuff.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #533186 - 01/27/02 07:17 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Damn Jaybin!!! You need to get back to the doctor now!!!!! Without antibiotics you will get worse before you get better!!! Sounds like you can't take any worse in your state!!!! NO BULLSHIT!!! Do like phrozendata said and tell the doc you smelled some mold or bacteria in the garbage! Tell him you're not sure which! That shit can possibly kill you without treatment. Now haul ass back to the doc!!!NOW!!!!


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #533195 - 01/27/02 07:30 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i agree.. you should definitely run to the doc asap! tell them the garbage thing... but no matter what you do hurry up. i don't want to freak you out, but i had a friend who contracted meningitis and had the swollen kneck and ringing in the ears. when his mom came home from work, she found him sitting up unresponsive on their couch... took him to the ER - thought he had OD'd on some drug, but it was just the infection. doc said if she had come home an hour later he'd probably be dead. interestingly, there was a spore distributor that had a contaminated batch which produced a pink/purple contam. it was rumored that it could be a form of bacterial meningitis. this was many months ago and it's highly unlikely you were exposed to it, but take these things seriously and get it checked out


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: geokills]
    #533267 - 01/27/02 08:47 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

well it feels like the bacteria is moving down my troat. Its getting really bad. i will get back to doc. I looked at the jars and there is yellow spots in them. I am taking a tectrcyclin, its a type of penicilin.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #533349 - 01/27/02 10:40 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

GET YOUR ASS TO THE DOCTOR!!!!!!!!!! NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!READ YOUR PRIVATE MESSAGE BOARD!!!!!!!!


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: arkendave]
    #533720 - 01/28/02 08:37 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

holy shit Jaybin, are you okay now? thats really a fucked up situation you got there...


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: mrdasani]
    #533741 - 01/28/02 09:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

...all it quiet now... *scared*


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #533743 - 01/28/02 09:27 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

get your ass to the doc's man... and make sure you let us know what's goin on.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: SumGuy]
    #533764 - 01/28/02 10:31 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

jaybin...i sure hope you are ok! i realize you made this post last night so hopefully you took everyones advice and sought medical care again. please let us know that you are ok!
may the gods be with you!


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: XAZIA] * 1
    #534000 - 01/28/02 03:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Well i amost f**kin died last night. My troat closed and i passed out. When i woke up i couldnt respond to my mom for some reason. I was like in a weird state of mind (alomst dead). I was taken back to the ER.
GET THIS!!!!!!
I told two diffent doc's about the jars, They both laughed at me and said its not possible! I tried to explain its a bateria growing in an enclosed jar, they still laughed. Fuckers, well they gave me like 3 different meds, one was to open my troat and anther one was an antibotic. I am better now, I am very very mad that the doc's didnt realize what happened.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #534084 - 01/28/02 04:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Good to hear you are back with us! This is why you should always sterilize a jar that has gone bad BEFORE you open it. Be sure there is a way for the hot gasses to get out of the jar or it will explode in the cooker. This is also why you should never ever lie to your doctor. If your parents are there, simply tell the doctor that you want to talk to him/her in private. From a (good) parents point of view, when a child's life is on the line, a little jar of mold in the closest isn't such a big deal anymore. I had a friend in high school that had a very similiar reaction to yours. He landed in the hospital with septic shock on the verge of toxic shock... which has a 90% + fatality rate (so said the doctors at the time). After two weeks on his back getting super strong antibiotics via IV he finally managed to kick the nasties in his blood. Play it safe and toss (or resterilize before you open) any jars that look like they could be bad. It sounds like you got lucky... give thanks! -Peace


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Seuss]
    #534090 - 01/28/02 04:43 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

The doctors didnt think that bateria in the jar had ANYTHING to do with why i was sick. Which they are totaly wrong! Thats why i am mad, professtional doc's that dont know what the f*ck their talking about! They said it was something else.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #534101 - 01/28/02 04:58 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

While it could very well have been from the jars (and quite probably was), you don't know that for certain. Also, you must be willing to share the blame. It was you who didn't tell the first doctor what had happened. He can't do a proper diagnosis without all the info.

Having said that, glad to hear you're doing better.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #534125 - 01/28/02 05:19 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

JayBin,

Glad to hear you are doing better.
:smile:

You probably should have told the doctors the truth earlier.
Might have helped you recover faster.

I never smell jars.....never.
I look for signs.....if i think a jar is bad.....i chuck the jar.
I wear a respirator.....I have a few from when i was working.
I put the damn thing on and dump the jar out....outside in my garbage can.
Then i have a container out there with bleach in it....for empty jars.
I put all my jars into the bleach container.....good or bad.
I leave them in that til i get enough of them.....then into the dishwasher they go.
No reason to take a health risk.

Good luck to you.
Wish you a speedy recovery!
And stop sniffin jars....lolz 


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #534129 - 01/28/02 05:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You tend to figure out with age that people that "know what they are talking about" are actually just better at bullshitting than the rest of us, for the most part. Doctors are human and make mistakes just like the rest of us. If you lie to the doctor, it just makes it that much harder for him/her to make a proper diagnosis. In a perfect world we would never need to seek a second opinion. Be thankful that everything turned out well and look within yourself to see what can be learned from the experience. If nothing more, you now know that doctors can make mistakes. Life isn't always pretty... thats why they make rose colored glasses. :-)


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin] * 1
    #534131 - 01/28/02 05:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Glad your doin better....I never put much faith in what medical doctors say. I've been in and out of the ER numerous times with nothing to show for it....Its always "Well we don't know whats wrong, but heres some vicodin...Have a nice day"...I'm not complaining about all the vicodin prescriptions they were handing out but it didn't really help the fact that I was extremely sick. Hell not too long ago I almost died from a sinus infection gone out of control. I even told them I thought it was a sinus infection when I first went in with symptoms (having had it before) Then a few months later when the infection began giving me severe migraines and constant bloody noses did they realize something was wrong....And I was right after all. Stupid fuckers.

Anyway, I am glad you are doing better...and I hope you don't have any relapses.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #534157 - 01/28/02 05:53 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

man, i worked at two different hospitals, and most of the doctors i dealt with were weirdos and know-it-alls. i don't trust any of 'em, but i guess you gotta do what you gotta do to get some freakin' penicillin.

this is an interesting thread, 'cause i've heard so often to use your nose to see if you've got any contams. i guess that's just for cobweb?

glad you're alive. take care!
-bizarro


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: bizarro]
    #534178 - 01/28/02 06:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Your nose can usually detect the smell of the wet spot (bacillus?) even when the jars are closed fairly tight. It has a very distinct, nasty, rotten apple smell. There is a difference between noticing that a room or box has a rotten smell to it and sticking your nose in an open jar of unknown fungus/bacteria and taking a "big whiff". My friend uses smell as her last check upon birthing a jar. If a jar looks healthy, but has any smell other than that soft earthy oder when opened, it is tossed in the trash. An unhealthy looking jar never gets opened... my friend autoclaves the "ugly" jars at 28psi for 1hr then tosses them.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #534383 - 01/28/02 10:11 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i have one contaimenated jar sitting in the closet that i am now afraid to even touch.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: MickyFinn]
    #534434 - 01/28/02 11:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

bacteria fumes in a jar can knock you off your feet sometimes. I think that generally, though, it is not really that dangerous to take a quick whiff of your jar to see if it was contaminated...just dont huff that shit. and if you get a really bad whiff, gargle with mouthwash or peroxide.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: fresh357]
    #534491 - 01/29/02 12:27 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Well i have another problem. After they gave me the IV and injected me with all those medications i started to fell better. That was last night at like 1:00 am. Its now 10:30 pm and the same things are happening to me again. Neck is becoming soar again, throat is drying out, and my ears wont stop ringing. I belive that the antiboitics didnt take care of everything. I think its comming back again!


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #534525 - 01/29/02 01:14 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Oh fuck, its gonna come back worse now...


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #534534 - 01/29/02 01:26 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Bring the jar to the ER so the doctor can take a sniff. Heheh.

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: fresh357]
    #534548 - 01/29/02 01:46 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

now im confused, i heard that once the green takes a hold, it usually is over with for whatever was growing, 2 dys ago this jar was almost green, now it has reversed, im still going to chuck it, i dont want to have my throat close up on me! (lol) anyways, ill post this in contams also.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #534653 - 01/29/02 04:38 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I think you better get your ass back to the ER!!!!

You better tell them the truth or something close to the truth.
That you breathed some contams at least...like mold or bacteria.
You had this jar that had this nasty green or whatever colored mold.
And that you breathed it in.
That you think this is causing you problems.
I'm not your Dad.....I'm probably old enough to be your Dad though.
Please get some help....I'd hate to see anyone have the pain and suffering that you are having.
Hope to hear how you are doing tomorrow.
Take care.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #534670 - 01/29/02 05:19 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i was going to post a thread like this to see if maybe this is
why i haven't had a solid shit in a week.. guess i know now.
luckily my case isn't as bad as yours... try to get the doc to
prescribe Prednisone.. but be careful with it, it's habit forming
and will cause "roid rage".. small price to pay for keeping your
throat open though. also, when you take antibiotics it's very
important not to skip a dose or cut it short because you're
feeling better. that is asking for the resistant cultures to make
their come back.. making you sicker than before and longer.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: theseeker]
    #534868 - 01/29/02 12:24 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

if you look in the other pages of the post... I explained to 2 different doctors about the jars and the contamination! They both laughed at me!!! They said its not possible! Which is bullshit.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #534884 - 01/29/02 12:44 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Jay did you take a big wif or a normal one, am a little freaked out about my jars now, it like bin ladin is hiding in my trunk.

Also is it safe to smell with filter on the top?


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: PowMaster2k]
    #534888 - 01/29/02 12:48 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Smell the jars like they teach you in Chem. Lab:

Hold the jar away from your nose (12inches at least) and use your hand to waft the smell to your nose.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: theseeker]
    #534908 - 01/29/02 01:09 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Prednisone is a very powerful steroid with significant side effects. Do not lie to the doctor, and do not assume that you know what will cure you. They should have done a blood test to look for nasties by now. Remember, this could be bacterial, fungal, or something completely unrelated that just happened around the same time you opened the jar.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Seuss]
    #535225 - 01/29/02 08:38 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Well i just went to my local doc. They gave me a shot of rosefel in my ass. I starting to fell really bad again. =(


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #535333 - 01/29/02 11:16 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I think your gonna die.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #535567 - 01/30/02 03:54 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

it's also very possible that you could have been very allergic to the mold or bacteria that may have been in your jars causing you to react differently then some other people may.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Vandenberg]
    #535601 - 01/30/02 04:35 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Vandenburg, That's not funny man. This shit could have
happened to any one of us. My whole family has been
keepin up with this thread and it looks like it's had over
600 views.
JayBin, hang in there. We're all pullin for ya!
Peace.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #535610 - 01/30/02 04:59 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Were all pulling for ya, i rem i had a scare when i opened one of my jars fully colonized outside but when crumbled the cake a dry powder came out and floated throughout the air. Luckly nothing happened from it was yellowbrownish mold though. Take care jay!


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Mattycelium]
    #535626 - 01/30/02 05:56 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #535669 - 01/30/02 09:11 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

At the risk of sounding like everyone's father:

When we sterilize substrate and make conditions perfect for the proliferation of mycelium, it's also perfect for concentrated growth of any other opportunistic organism--like unwanted bacteria, mold and fungus.

You're not dealing with a singular pathogenic spore or cell. You are dealing with a STOCKPILE!! You have mass produced the shit.

IT CAN KILL YOU EASILY!

The shit that makes us sick exists in nature in parts per million. This is a scant amount. And as a result, we don't get sick too often.

Our sterilized jars of substrate, if innoculated with the WRONG organism becomes a lethal dose. This isn't a stray spore entering our lungs. THIS IS A HIT OF CONCENTRATED POISON!

We unwittingly create a potent biological time bomb. The amount of bacteria that we can grow in a jar is present in numbers higher than the population of people on this planet.

An analogy for those unconvinced, breathing off the top of a contaminated jar is about as intelligent as licking a petri-culture of HIV virus.

Read the teks and use common sense!! If a jar becomes contaminated DON'T open it up. PRESSURE COOK IT, and dispose of the contents as soon as it comes out. Use a pot holder. Either down your in sinkerator, or outside to the dumpster.

If you even THINK a jar MIGHT be contaminated, don't gamble with your life. You should almost be able to smell it through the metal lid. And DEFINITELY through the innoculation holes we drill in the lid if the tape is removed.

IF YOU'RE GONNA SMELL IT, HOLD THE JAR A FOOT FROM YOUR FACE AND G E N T L Y WAFT A WHIFF TOWARDS YOUR NOSE.

These contaminated jars are like the product of a biological weapons company. Only difference is we make it by accident.

Jaybin, you're fuckin' lucky to be alive. If you suspect contams, ditch it.

I'm amazed by how some people ask if a known contaminated mushroom MIGHT be safe to consume. And they're encouraged by responses of those who have done so, and lived.

WHY BE STUPID AND RISK IT?

Ditch it. That way you'll be alive.





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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: ChangLee]
    #535684 - 01/30/02 09:41 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Foolish Doctors, they are not listening to their patient.Crazy isn't it. You give them the answer, and they will not listen. A shot of Rocephin last 24hrs.Steroids are great but the wear off too. That maybe part of what happenned. The steroids helped but once they wear off, the swelling returned. I'm surprised they let you go home in the first place. They probably should have kept you in the hospital to keep a closer eye on you.God knows what got into your system.There are so many possibilities. It could be a bacterial infection.You could have had an allergic reaction to mold spores you inhaled causing your airway to swell. Keep going back or go to another place until someone takes you seriously. Don't mess around with this. I hope it is limited to just your throat. Best of luck to you. Be persistant.I'm not trying to scare you,but your life could depend on it. Last time I heard such a dramatic story it was 3M. He had inhaled some aspergillus Niger spores that day and by the next morning he was blacking out,short of breath and ended up in the hospital fighting for his life.He spent a long time in the hospital on oxygen, and it took him a long time to recover.
Please be careful with contaminants. Many of them are deadly. Your doctors are treating a bacterial infection, but what if it is fungal. If it is fungal, antibiotics will not touch it.In the mean time those doctors are wasting valuable time. If you do not get better, or get worse and no one understands why, insist on treatment to cover a fungal infection.(antifungals) Tell your family in case you get really sick or a friend. They don't have to know it was from mushrooms jars.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Roadkill]
    #535687 - 01/30/02 09:46 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I didn't realize the seriousness of contamination, I thought It would just kill your shrooms, and maybe you'd get sick if you ate contaminated ones, but getting sick from smelling a jar!!! Maybe someone should write up a bacterial safetey precautions tek, especially for the begginers like myself who have no ideas of the consequences. What's up with all the teks telling people to smell their jars to check for contams,


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Bowevil]
    #535719 - 01/30/02 10:42 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

The contamination forum has started to put together a contamination tek/faq. I am not sure what the status of it is.

As far as getting sick from contamination... think food poisoning. When food gets contaminated and you eat it, you usually get sick.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Seuss]
    #535814 - 01/30/02 01:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

dude hang in there! im pullin for ya!


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Seuss]
    #535831 - 01/30/02 01:37 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

First off, i was told if i have concerns about contamination to smell the jar! So i was told by other people to smell the jar. Its my fault for not smelling a foot away of whatever, and i did take a big ass whiff.... Last night my neck, throat, and ears were in serious pain. I am felling better this morning, but everything is repeating over and over. Get some meds fell better for awhile, then at night i have killer pain. I mean extreme pain in my neck and ears!! Once again i went to another doctor and she also said that its probably not possible. They wont listen to me. Its going to turn into something bigger untill something bad happens. I tried to explain that the bacteria will have all the nutrients to grow and that it had been growing for a good time. I explained that its in a closed jar, no air exchange. Still they dont listen


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #535851 - 01/30/02 01:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Chang Lee, thank you for your support! Fuck you. I really like the post about you talking about my ignorance.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #536682 - 01/31/02 09:48 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

JB, in all honesty, sounds like a really bad allergic reaction. the mold could have been something that was lying around your house and you never had a problem with it unti lyou encountered it in such quantities. i remember about 3 years ago i was cleaning a jat for my cat that had just been overtaken by green ( i should a just thrown away the jar) but i sneezed and green got everywhere (including my lungs) and i ended up having the worst cough i ever had for about 10-12 days (so bad that i only could sleep when my body bascially failed from exhaustion because the caugh waw soo bad i couldnt sleep normally) . had to have chest xrays done, it fucking sucked. now if i ever see contams in jars they jar is injected with tons of iso-oh and then re-PCed then taken outside to be cleaned (also at the first sign of contam i chuck it the jar instead of tellingmy cat to wait until i have time). i only needed to learn once.

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: JayBin]
    #536762 - 01/31/02 11:59 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hang in there JB. Remember-squeeky wheel gets the grease. Just keep after the docs. Esp if you have HMO. There job is to make you go away so you gotta keep squaking at them. Often steroids and other allergy treatments can cause a rebound when they wear off. The symptoms come back just like at first. Molds and fungi are frequent causes of respiratory probs, both allergic and infection. Bring 'em the jar-seriously. If they lab test it they can tell exactly what you were exposed to. Tell them it was a science project. Tell them to be fucking careful even if they don't believe you!!! There are specific anti-fungal drugs if need be. Keep us posted and get well...

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: DrStrange]
    #537073 - 01/31/02 07:11 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

i am fellin better, but when the IB profen wears off i cant stand the pain. My neck is in pain all the time. I forgot to mension that ALL my pain in on the right side!! Right side of the troat, pain in right ear, and pain on the right side of my neck. I dont get it.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: theseeker]
    #537284 - 01/31/02 11:23 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

man, I hope your ok. It must be quite a scary expereince. Bacteria can be very dangerous. Just make sure next time, that you tell the doctor exactly what happed, and you should of accually shown him the jar. It would have been a good idea. Tehn he knows the circumstances. When your lifes on the line, I wouldn't worry about what the docter thinks your doing. I don't think he will care. Just say your in to mycology, and was doing an experiment or something. Anyway, I hope you get better:)


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Glacius]
    #537299 - 01/31/02 11:39 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Which side do you sleep on, left or right?


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Glacius]
    #537303 - 01/31/02 11:42 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I also think we should have some sort of a"i'f you come to the shroomery you can't miss it"warning about this sort of stuff, so that people without as much expereince, and knowledge as the rest of us can be made to understand just how dangerous an old, contamed jar can be. Imagine some dude, thinking"oh, this red shit can't be that bad", and eating them!!

I'f I have a contamed jar, I throw it out right away. I don't even try and save the jar, it's not worth it.

Anyway, I wish you well again, and hope you pull through this one. Were all with you:)

Just remember for next time:don't open or smell the contamed jar!!:)



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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: JayBin]
    #537612 - 02/01/02 10:20 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Jaybin, did they test you for strep throat?


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #537642 - 02/01/02 11:00 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

maybe you caught mono or something or you do have strep throat like isis said


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: MickyFinn]
    #537948 - 02/01/02 05:51 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I got a blood test and a strep text. Both come out negative for mono and strep.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #537969 - 02/01/02 06:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Man can I relate dude! About 6 years ago, when at my friends house, I was near a small terarium. There was some contanamation, the water in the tank had a foul smell. (there was NO bleach or H202 in the water- it was most likely stagnet). I thought nothing about it. Within 2 days I came down with some of the scariest symtoms that I have ever had in my life. The first symtom was an EXTREMELY PAINFULLY SORE NECK, I could not turn my head either direction. I broke out in a cold sweat (in fact I was sweating profusly)- I starting haluncinating real bad/ starting blacking out. I started panic-ing. I started checking my tempeture every couple of minutes. I could not drive and my gal was at work. I called a neighbor... She advised me to go to the ER. I remeber asking another neighbor that I barely knew (and he didnt care for my lifestyle either) to drive me to the ER. By the time I got to see a doc my fever was 103!! (105 is brain damage) My fever was going up about one degree every 30 minutes. I started going into shock and I thought that I was haveing a heart attack. At that point a nurse screamed at me to chill me out. (thank God for her, 'cuz I needed it)

Finally I got to speak to a doc- I described my symtoms and told him about the joint that I had earlier in the day etc... He told me (I had no insurance) without any test other than looking at my eyballs that I had Strep Throat! I thought NO WAY IS THIS STREP THROAT>... However it was explained to me that some strains are very serious and that it can kill you etc.... I was given a script for some shity antibotics and Tylenol #3... And was sent home with a 100 degree fever (at least it was going down). I was told that I would be fine in a week or so... IT TOOK ME OVER SIX WEEKS TO FULLY RECOUPERATE!! I really thought that I was going to die, damm I was in soooooooo much pain from the swelled up glands in my throat that I could barely even eat.

A few weeks after I got better I had a relative come down with something VERY simuilar to what I had.... I often wondered if some how he caught it from me (could this be contagious??)

Oh well, hang in there man. Too bad you cant submit a sample of the fungus for a lab to test without risking the law. It's the only way of knowing for sure.



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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538000 - 02/01/02 07:14 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You know who's opinion that we really need about this subject? MURPLE!!!!!!!!

That guy is about as smart as it gets with these kind of issues. I think that he is studying Pharmacology or something.

Somebody should PM him about this thread!


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Jammer]
    #538051 - 02/01/02 08:22 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I dont have strep throat. I was tested two different times, and no i dont have mono. I got a blood test. If i get off my pain med's its really bad, but its kinda gettin better. Everything on the right side of my head is pretty much in pain. Mainly my neck. What i dont get is that the right side of my throat is hurting. Its odd. i will keep posting


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538064 - 02/01/02 08:33 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I dont believe that I had Strep Throat either. I went to a City hospital in a gangster turf type neihborhood. (it was the closest) All that the doc did was to feel my swollen neck, look inside my throat, and check my eyes (think he might of thought that I was just tripping on something)- There was no other test done... no blood test 'cuz I had no money nor any insurance.

I have also never encountered a person that can describe a bout of strip throat that sounded as bad as what I went thru. It was hell. (DAMM THE PAIN SUCKED!)


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538093 - 02/01/02 09:21 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Tell him you were growing shiitake mushrooms. If youve gotten a fungal infection, that could be very dangerous. Antibiotics will fix it up in a few days.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Murple]
    #538108 - 02/01/02 09:41 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

If its a bacterial infection could i drink like a hard alcohol to kill it? It pretty stupid idea but i was wondering if that would help to kill it off.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538112 - 02/01/02 10:05 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

alcy? well it couldent hurt(i think) either way itd make your situation more *fun* :smile: stay up


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538294 - 02/02/02 03:34 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

When I went thru my shit I was the same way!!

-Please, be carefull with any alcohol/drugs. It's very easy to OD (experence) drinking/druging to kill this type of pain.-

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538354 - 02/02/02 05:21 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I really sympathize with your bad luck seeing the docs. I've been through it with docs and dentists. Too tired to go into detail, I had to see about 8 docs before I found one who could help me, and 3 dentists once when my face swelled up with the most intense pain (dead tooth, it turned out)

There's a LOT of not so good profesionals out there. More than I even care to consider. Keep looking. Someone has the answer, I know it.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538636 - 02/02/02 04:10 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I found something!!!!!

In The Mushroom Cultivater, there is a huge section on contamination. Check this out!!!!

Page 273

CRYPTOCOCCUS

Common Names...The yellowish brown yeast, the carcinogenic yeast

Macroscopic appearance: A spherical yeast not forming a pseudomycelium, encapsulated by a cream to brown colored mucus.

Medical implications: ...causes a deadly disease in animals and humans called cryptococcocis, otherwise known as "Torula meningitis" or "yeast meningitis". This yeast attacks and reproduces in the central nervous system, particularly in the brain and spinal fluid. SYMPTOMS BEGIN WITH A STIFF NECK AND HEADACHE and end in total or partial blindness, paralysis, coma and RESPITORY FAILURE. Less sever symptoms occur in other parts of the body, for which there is a better chance of recovery. It is believed that airborne spores are inhaled, entering the body via the lungs...

...In 1979 one of the containment buildings at the Tennessee Clinch River Breeder Reactor project had to be quarintined because of a massive outbreak of Cryptococcus neoformans...
(end quote)

So there it is in black and white, what are they teaching these doctors anyways??? How to be a high priced authority figure but not know anything??? They think their soooo smart.

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: carbonhoots]
    #538705 - 02/02/02 05:40 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Better hope its NOT what the dude above thinks it is but check this out...
If your still feeling bad and you havent been quarantined by ACDC (not the band moron Atlanta Center for Disease Control) yet go find a doc that specializes in holistic medicine they'll take you more seriously about huffing the contamed jars and probably hook you up with a good antigen.



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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Billyblastoff]
    #538717 - 02/02/02 05:59 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Yeah, holistic healers are the shit. They cured my tendenitis!

It's probably not cryptococcosis, I just meant that the doctors are probably out to lunch with they're "it's not possible" thing.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: carbonhoots]
    #538901 - 02/03/02 12:13 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I think that yor on to something too. After doing a little online research I have discovered the descriptions of this deadly fungus seems very similaur to what I have seen growing on containamated cakes before. In fact this shit will grow on agar and birdseed (I'm sure rice too). Here is a link that has more info on the killer fungus.

http://www.mycology.adelaide.edu.au/mycology/myco.nsf/d107e9d14f09cd59692565a30044d2b6/385c33f04c2346b1292567200072c3cf?OpenDocument

I swear people: I have seem some brown shit growing on cakes before that look exactly like this stuff. And the symtoms described is exactly what a couple of us have gone thru here! It's described as being fatal. (I surely thought that I was going to die)

One solution to finding out what it is is to order some kind of test kit. There is a company in Canada that sells a fungial test kit for the fatal strains. (lost the link, sorry)


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538905 - 02/03/02 12:18 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Here is the pic of this deadly fungus growing on birdseed agar:


Look up at the top/upper right (C. neoformans)
That stuff looks very much like what I have seen on containmated BR cakes before.

The size of the spore is right in line with that of chemical warfare agents. Your sinuses are not likely to filter this one out. (some scary shit indeed)


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Jammer]
    #538942 - 02/03/02 01:36 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I am on antiboitics. I take 3 pills of Amoxicillin every day. That should kill any bacteria right? My contamination did not look like that. It was more yellow than that, there was no brown. Some people said it was just mycelium disscharge, but it wasnt. My throat hurts pretty bad when i swallow and my neck still hurts.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538946 - 02/03/02 01:44 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I think that the concences is that it could very well be a fungus- not baterial. If it is a fungus, Amoxicillin wont help. As I recall thats exactly what the doc gave me for my symtoms. I try to post the link of a perscription drug thats known to work on fungus infections.

Also, there are at least 4 diferent types of the fungus at issue here. One description was was of a yellow looking liquid.

Also the pic that I posted is of a strain that's not known to be in North America for the most part. I believe that you have perhaps another variation of this. If it was really bactierial/virus infection the Amoxicillin would take care of it in a week or so.

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: JayBin]
    #538984 - 02/03/02 03:17 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

You might want to disregard my comment about Cryptococcus neoformans var. gattii not being in North America. There are references to it being found on Trees in California. Also, given the nature of the spore business who is to say tha a print could not be contanamted from another country. From what I have found out the fungus is extremely widespread in Australia.

Here is a Canadian link for Fungus Test Kits.

http://www.discovery-diagnostics.com/immy.html


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Jammer]
    #539020 - 02/03/02 04:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

This crypt-o-crap-ass stuff is a YEAST not a fungus.
There's a difference right?


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: carbonhoots]
    #539037 - 02/03/02 04:40 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Good question.

Here is how one site defines yeast:

Yeasts
Yeasts are fungi that grow as single cells, producing daughter cells either by budding (the budding yeasts) or by binary fission (the fission yeasts). They differ from most fungi, which grow as thread-like hyphae. But this distinction is not a fundamental one, because some fungi can alternate between a yeast phase and a hyphal phase, depending on environmental conditions. Such fungi are termed dimorphic (with two shapes) and they include several that cause disease of humans.

Here we consider several examples of yeasts and dimorphic fungi:

the common baker's yeast, Saccharomyces cerevisiae
the genus Cryptococcus, which includes C. neoformans, a pathogen of humans
the dimorphic fungus Candida albicans which can be a significant pathogen of humans
some of the common leaf surface yeasts.

Here is where I found this info:
http://helios.bto.ed.ac.uk/bto/microbes/yeast.htm



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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: carbonhoots]
    #539039 - 02/03/02 04:44 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Carbonhoots:

Yeasts are defintatly a branch of the fungus family tree.


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    #539041 - 02/03/02 04:46 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Good biology lesson.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Jammer]
    #539048 - 02/03/02 04:58 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Gotta hop in here. . .interesting thread, and I very much hope for a full recovery. I've also [stupidly] smelled questionable growth and gotten light headed and woozy for a few hours afterward...

But there's little chance this is a C. neoformans infection. I'd say no chance. I have some clinical bacteriology lab experience, and every fungal culture we got would first be grown at room temperature. This is, among other things, a safety precaution. Some organisms LIKE C. neoformans only morph into the infectious stage at higher incubation temperatures, namely 37 C [read that, mammalian body temperature]. It's kinda cool actually; it grows mycelium-like at room temperature, and only transforms into its 'yeast-stage' at 37. To identify it, we would take a look at suspect room temp. fuzzy growth. . .if it looked a certain way, we would then very carefully subculture and secure the plate and put it in the 37C+elevated CO2. If it were a dimorphic fungus like neoformans, it wouldn't grow fuzzy, it would be mucoid/wet, like the above pic.

So basically, unless they were incubated much too hot AND you managed to get an environmentally rare yeast into your mix. . .AND are somewhat immunocompromised; The weight of evidence points toward anaphylaxis--which could have been deadly, but likely much sooner after sniffing. Or a secondary source, i.e. you just happen to get sick at the same time. But hey, I don't want to play doctor here, I just know it isn't that easy to accidentally cultivate neoformans.. . shit, I think in 20 years at that lab they grew it three times total.

THIS IS A LINK YOU SHOULD ABSOLUTELY CHECK OUT, the CDC is quite good at identifying suspect contaminants [for a fee] but are also quite available to confer with you on the phone about suspect sniffings:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dbmd/mdb/labreference.htm

The last paragraph on that page sounds like it might be of use to this forum.

Here's another link to some pretty good CDC info on the beast: for a really good time, do a search on any of the other dimorphic fungal diseases, preferably with pics :P

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol4no1/buchanan.htm

Growth In Vivo

To cause infection in humans, a C. neoformans isolate must grow at 37oC in an atmosphere of approximately 5% CO2 and at a pH of 7.3 to 7.4. To survive at 37oC, the organism must have an intact gene that encodes the C. neoformans calcineurin A catalytic subunit (10). Calcineurin is a serine-threonine specific phosphatase that is activated by Ca2+-calmodulin and is involved in stress responses in yeasts (10). Although calcineurin A mutant strains of C. neoformans can grow at 24oC, they cannot survive in vitro at 37oC, in 5% CO2, or at alkaline pH (10). Since these are similar to conditions in the host, one would predict that the calcineurin A mutant would not survive in the human host. In support of that prediction, Odom et al. have shown that such mutants are not pathogenic for immunosuppressed rabbits (10). Calcineurin A appears to be a basic requirement for C. neoformans survival in the host and consequently is a necessary factor for the pathogenicity of the organism.



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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: carbonhoots]
    #539054 - 02/03/02 05:10 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I sure as hell hope that isn't what Jaybin's got. However, the symptoms he has described (esp the stiff neck and headache) really do remind me of when I had a central nervous system infection (lymes disease in my case).


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: yellowshark]
    #539060 - 02/03/02 05:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

you all assume that it was the discolered mold that caused his sickness, but it was most likely bacteria that was also in the jar..especially since his condition improved after taking antibiotics.
youll be ok dude...just take your meds.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: fresh357]
    #539191 - 02/03/02 12:36 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

My jars were kept at like 90 degree at times. They were B+ and i wanted to speed the colonization. I think the Amoxicillin is working and killing it off. I am still in bad pain at times. I mailed that site about the fungal indentification. I told them what happened, but i dont have pics. THANKS FOR THE HELP! Will see what happens in the next few days.

The fungal indentifcation people should mail me back in a few days to help me out.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: JayBin]
    #539390 - 02/03/02 05:24 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

What should i do to aviod contamination. There never any air exposed to the inside of the jar. It was preasure cooked for 45 minutes


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: JayBin]
    #539801 - 02/04/02 01:49 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Sure glad to hear that the Amoxicillin is working! (it sure didnt help me with whatever I caught a few years ago)

Thats great news!


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: JayBin]
    #539840 - 02/04/02 02:38 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

JayBin - I hope you're feeling better man. The mycelium discharge-like contam you describe sounds like something I've got sitting in one of my contammed jars. I took a few pics - maybe they'll help, maybe they're the same thing? It's a yellow contam with liquid yellow urine coloured discharge.



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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: _JJ_]
    #539992 - 02/04/02 06:30 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

JJ,

That is some nasty looking stuff you got growing there.

JayBin...... I hope you're feeling better.

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: _JJ_]
    #540000 - 02/04/02 07:05 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

JJ STOP TAKING PICTURES AND THROW IT AWAY!!!

or bury it otherwise we might have a new thread opened saying jj [aka. jaybin jr] sick as!

DONT FUCK ABOUT WITH CONTAM JARS!! its a JAR ffs BUY A NEW ONE !!!

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: CheshirePhat]
    #540002 - 02/04/02 07:08 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I posted it for his sake geez.. he described a contam similar to one I've got sitting in a jar - I was hoping that if it were the same thing he'd be able to use the pics to identify what it was.. and maybe help in his treatment. Those jars are airtight.. I'll get around to throwing it out eventually :laugh:


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: _JJ_]
    #540009 - 02/04/02 07:24 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'm very glad that you posted those pics.

They look very much like (in my opnion) peferctly the description of the shit that the victim (HE IS OK NOW IT SEEMS!!) has describied. (and, yes these pics should look vaigly familair to any newbe)- at least they do to me.....(Ex-newbie)

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: JayBin]
    #540185 - 02/04/02 01:03 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Doctors can be real asholes sometimes! I once had E.coli and it took those fuckers 2 weeks to diagnose it!-I was going to take some Tetracycline that I bought at the feed store,but my wife talked me into going to the doc's instead!..Never listen to a woman!
I've been smelling my contaminated jars,but NO MORE!
Hope you're doing better.


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    #540462 - 02/04/02 06:43 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

My throat is still pretty bad, but all the others symptoms are going away!!! Thanks for everything

-Jaybin


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: JayBin]
    #540473 - 02/04/02 06:55 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

I'm glad we have an happy end ! I hope you'll fully recover soon.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: tomldp]
    #541669 - 02/05/02 09:56 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

The doc still doesnt belive me that it was the jar. He belives that it was a bacterial infection but the jar had nothin to do with it. How stupid, i dont get why they dont listen. After i told them about the jars, they said that mushrooms dont do that to you! I had just finished explaining to them that therer was a mold!! They weren't even listening


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: JayBin]
    #542280 - 02/06/02 10:31 AM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Holy shit that's freaky stuff! Good to hear that you're doing better though JayBin. No way in hell am I going to be sniffing any contammed jars from now on. Good luck on a spedy, full, recovery.

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to E [Re: JayBin]
    #542587 - 02/06/02 04:06 PM (18 years, 7 months ago)

Hey JayBin , glad you doing better !

i have a question to the one who may know it.:

Would using those filters patches be a better way to avoid pathogenic mycroorganisms ? Once ( i guess) anaerobic organisms are much more dangerous ?

best regards !!


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Glacius]
    #735776 - 07/10/02 08:04 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

I am bumping this thread as a reminder to all those out there that think foolin with contams is no biggie.

Cheers, and play safe.

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Hammerloaf]
    #735867 - 07/10/02 08:58 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Humans are not the dominant species...bacteria are...


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    #735874 - 07/10/02 09:02 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

> Humans are not the dominant species...bacteria are...


word.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Mycelium]
    #736074 - 07/10/02 10:17 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Shit that bad, i hope you are feeling better now!

If you still have to jar(which i hope you dont!) put it in a zip-lock, in a zip-lock, in zip-lock etc. and bring it to the doc next time you go. Show him and see if he wants to smell it....but make sure he doesn't. Keep us posted!

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Fd3000]
    #736081 - 07/10/02 10:19 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

Also what did the contam smell like? It would be good if you can tell us so if anyone ever has a jar that is giving off that odor they can burn it, throw it away, stab it, shoot it etc.

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Fd3000]
    #1414477 - 03/27/03 02:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

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    #1414731 - 03/27/03 04:46 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

damn that shit is crazy... so just from sniffing a jar it can actually do all that shit to you?? thats fucked. i'm gonna be afraid to like even go near my jars now


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    #1415097 - 03/27/03 07:10 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

That is scary stuff...

I woulda taken that jar into the doctor if I still had it, and MADE him sniff it for ignoring me. Bullshit that they found it was funny that you may have had a source for your illness.

I am never opening a contaminated jar again, not worth trying to clean it out. I do not have a biohazard suit, but apparently we all should have one just in case...



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    #1415120 - 03/27/03 07:21 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Sorry but this post is about a year old...


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    #1418310 - 03/30/03 03:02 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

Dear JayBin:

I hope you feel better. Sometimes, we are all unlucky and misfortune finds us. But no worries, you will be fine. I just hope this incident doesn't deter you from continuing a hobby you love, or may grow to love.

Best of luck in the future, don't get sick again! :smile:.

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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: bizarro]
    #1419716 - 03/31/03 01:28 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I'm trying my hand in growing for the first time, and I tried smelling a jar last night which I wasn't sure if it was mycelia or cobweb. It was a strong mushroom smell, it didn't smell rancid or anything. It was a mistake I won't make again though, and I wish every FAQ would point it out... I feel fine except for sneezing, and I did it first about 12 hours ago. Should I be worried?


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    #1479555 - 04/21/03 06:20 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I wish that I had read this post four hours ago. I didn't sniff any open jars but I did have to dispose of six heavily contaminated jars. I would have taken alot more precaution if I had read this first. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:


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    #26924978 - 09/08/20 06:45 PM (11 days, 2 hours ago)

Quote:

ChangLee said:
At the risk of sounding like everyone's father:
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<br>When we sterilize substrate and make conditions perfect for the proliferation of mycelium, it's also perfect for concentrated growth of any other opportunistic organism--like unwanted bacteria, mold and fungus. 
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<br>You're not dealing with a singular pathogenic spore or cell.  You are dealing with a STOCKPILE!!  You have mass produced the shit. 
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<br>IT CAN KILL YOU EASILY! 
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<br>The shit that makes us sick exists in nature in parts per million.  This is a scant amount.  And as a result, we don't get sick too often. 
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<br>Our sterilized jars of substrate, if inoculated with the WRONG organism becomes a lethal dose.  This isn't a stray spore entering our lungs.  THIS IS A HIT OF CONCENTRATED POISON!
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<br>We unwittingly create a potent biological time bomb.  The amount of bacteria that we can grow in a jar  is present in numbers higher than the population of people on this planet. 
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<br>An analogy for those unconvinced, breathing off the top of a contaminated jar is about as intelligent as licking a petri-culture of HIV virus. 
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<br>Read the teks and use common sense!!  If a jar becomes contaminated DON'T open it up.  PRESSURE COOK IT, and dispose of the contents as soon as it comes out.  Use a pot holder.  Either down your in sinkerator, or outside to the dumpster. 
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<br>If you even THINK a jar MIGHT be contaminated, don't gamble with your life.  You should almost be able to smell it through the metal lid.  And DEFINITELY through the inoculation holes we drill in the lid if the tape is removed. 
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<br>IF YOU'RE GONNA SMELL IT, HOLD THE JAR A FOOT FROM YOUR FACE AND G E N T L Y WAFT A WHIFF TOWARDS YOUR NOSE.
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<br>These contaminated jars are like the product of a biological weapons company.  Only difference is we make it by accident. 
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<br>Jaybin, you're fuckin' lucky to be alive.  If you suspect contams, ditch it. 
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<br>I'm amazed by how some people ask if a known contaminated mushroom MIGHT be safe to consume.  And they're encouraged by responses of those who have done so, and lived.
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<br>WHY BE STUPID AND RISK IT? 
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<br>Ditch it.  That way you'll be alive. 
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I realise I'm bumping an ancient thread here, but I'm wondering if there are any experts here who can answer a question.

There are hundreds, if not thousands of guides out there about making sourdough starter. Sourdough starters will typically contain Bacillus cultures (which contribute to the sour flavour) and probably can grow Pseudomonas too.

Every guide says you can diagnose your starter by smelling it. Not one guide has a warning that this can cause illness.

Why would this be different from a bacterial/yeast contaminated jar?

Speaking with personal interest as I just opened a jar (indoors :/) that looked a bit bacterial, and it definitely had the sour, apple cidery smell that people seem to be suggesting is evidence of Bacillus (if not Pseudomonas). I probably smelled it from just a couple of inches away... I hope I'll be alright, but this thread has me worried.

I feel like TEKs on this site (and on the web in general) should not tell you to expect a mushroomy smell from your cakes... because that will make newbies like me likely to smell their cakes... I just hope I didn't make a terrible mistake.

Any new knowledge in the intervening years since this thread was posted?


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Awake_and_Away]
    #26924988 - 09/08/20 06:54 PM (11 days, 2 hours ago)

Giving a bacterial jar a quick smell test isn't going to make you sick.

Relax.


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Re: Smelt Jars for contamination. I was taken to ER!!! [Re: Forrester]
    #26925061 - 09/08/20 07:50 PM (11 days, 1 hour ago)

Thought so, I wonder if this thread is filled with a bunch of coincidence and confirmation bias.


... But what about several sniffs, and flushing the cake down a toilet (aerosolising?)?

Thanks for the reply btw


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