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Premedman1
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: achoo]
#5329408 - 02/22/06 08:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The best is h/poo. The simplest is cased WBS with a pressure cooker, BRF cakes without a PC.
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achoo
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all that is greek to me right now. I know I need to read up. I was thinking of an active process. I buy all the stuff and then "go" and see how the first ones turn out. You know just feel everything out. Ilnow thats bull headed but thats how I learn.
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: achoo]
#5329435 - 02/22/06 08:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Well dude, it's really your decision. You've heard my opinion, but you still seem hellbent on the kit. It's your grow op, your choice. I'm sure the kit will work to an extent. I can't tell you how well, or whether it's worth your time/money. It's really up to you.
To tell you the truth, I am slightly annoyed that you ask my opinion, I take the time to write out what would be your best option, then you continue to mention a kit, which several people have advised you don't use. If you want to use the kit, go for it, more power to you, but I'm getting bored of this rather quickly, I've told you what I think, period.
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Premedman1
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I just think tiny_bird's just feeling frustrated. We've all put in HOURS/DAYS/WEEKS of reading and practice into this. I looked like this before I even attempted a grow ----->  Just absorb all the info you can before you jump in the deep end of the pool. There is a whole universe of info here, and 99.9% of the questions you can even think of have been asked and answered many times. Learn to use the search function at the top of the page. It will be your best friend. It's still mine. Good luck.
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achoo
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No no Sun, don't be offended, I was just wanting to know... in comparison. I beleive your way is better I just didnt want to ask someone to like write out everything I need. That's a little demanding. With the "kit" it just seemed like pay and its at your doorstep. If some one was willling to help me make my own monster, I would be more than grateful. I didn't think anyone would want to get that involved in my cause.I also didn't want anyone to think that I'm trying to "steal" his or her master setup or teks. Some people can get realy weird about that type of stuff. Dont mean to offend.
I really appreciate all this feedback.
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achoo
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: achoo]
#5329495 - 02/22/06 08:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Can I find information on everything I will ever need to make a considerable amount of la magia in the FAQs? I'm looking I guess for a list. I would like to gather all that stuff whilst I wait on the spores. Then read up on the material in the mean time as well.
I guess I am overeager as well, I'm sure you all remember it well. I apologise.
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achoo
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: achoo]
#5329544 - 02/22/06 09:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If someone isreally bored, could they post an evrything I need list? If it is already in the faqs then smack me and call me stupid. off to la la land for me but I will check this post tomorrow. Thank you all for your help.
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ChronicStiffy
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: achoo]
#5329737 - 02/22/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: achoo]
#5329852 - 02/22/06 10:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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For the following, you'll need a Liquid Culture [LC] to act as an inoculant. The easiest way to make an LC:
First take any regular jar and drill two small holes, then put a blob of silicone sealant over both holes. Now make a mixture of 4% karo, honey, or malt extract from a homebrew store and warm water. Drop a marble in the jar, then put the lid on and pressure cook [PC] for 20 minutes. Then knock it up with a couple CCs of spore solution. Let it sit for two weeks until you get a good bit of white fluffy growth. At which time you can take a sterile syringe and suck up some of that solution, and voila, you've got your LC syringe.
This is the tek I was talking about earlier, write-up courtesy of Wronguy, who based it off of Blue Helix's tek.
48 Cups of horse manure (shredded) 24 Cups of vermiculite 16 1/2 Cups of dry Wild Bird Seed [WBS] (do not soak or simmer) 4 Tablespoons of dry Kelp Meal 6 Tablespoons of Canola or Vegetable oil 21 Cups of water spawn bags
Thoroughly mix all dry ingredients together. Now, add the water and mix again. Due to the human error factor on measurements, you may consider adding only 18 cups of water to begin with and adjust it from there. However, I have found that any measurements that are off are negligible in the moisture content.
After all the water is added, test your moisture content by giving the substrate a hard squeeze. You should only be able to extract a few drops from this, not a steady drip. If you find that your substrate is a little too wet, slowly add vermiculite until you get the right consistency. If you measure everything correctly this should not be necessary. The moisture content needs to be slightly dryer than normal to allow for the liquid culture you will inject later.
The final step is adding the oil. I prefer to add the oil in after the water has been added. I find it's much easier to mix in and doesn't stick to the substrate in one area or clump. Mixing the oil in with the dry ingredients will surely clump on you.
Load your spawn bags at the same time and make sure they are as even as possible. Now it does not matter where you mix this. I do mine in my garage. I know I'm going to sterilize the substrate so contaminates are less of a concern. Follow the tek by Blue Helix to complete it. I personally PC for 3 1/2 hours at 15 PSI.
At this point, follow Wronguy's double tub pictorial, or you modify it into a mono-tub by simply using one tall tub.
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tiny_rabid_birds
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Supplies
TiT Incubator (this is optional, you can get by w/o an incubator if your room temp is 75 ) Two storage tubs Cheap water heater from walmart some wire or plastic ties to keep the second tub from floating.
Mono tub Spawn bags filled with the ingredients mentioned in my last post 1 or more storage tubs (just like the TiT ones), depending on how many monotubs you want going Polyfil (sinthetic stuffing in pillows/stuffed animals you can get from walmart) Black trash bag Maybe some duct tape Maybe some aluminum foil
Okay, that's pretty much all the supplies you'd need. Initial investment might put you somewhere around 150 bucks for a system that will over several harvests literally get you pounds of dried mushrooms. That is a LOT when you consider a single dose off of poo shrooms will be no more than 4 grams, but probably closer to 2.
This really isn't that much work, but it may look like it. Take my word for it though, it really isn't that difficult at all. And if/when you complete your first grow, you will be glad you did this. Anyways, sorry if I came off as a dick earlier, I was starting to get a headache and a bit pissy. Good luck w/ your grows.
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onetime
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: achoo]
#5329955 - 02/22/06 10:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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if your serious about growing skip the pf tek you will just waste your time and money. get a pc and do magash's rye tek.
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Mycophreek423
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: onetime]
#5330234 - 02/23/06 12:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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take it from somebody who bought a kit. kits suck. i would recomend pf tek if it is your first time. you could manage what these other guys are talking about but you are open to more chances of failure. so i say use pf tek then once you understand that then move on. my kit gave me no more then an eigth, pf tek gave and eigth or better per cake. but bulk is the way to go. i'm just getting ready to dive into bulk my self. i have done 2 quarts cased WBS before. now i'm ready for bulk WBS or Rye grain spawned to horse poo
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achoo
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Mycophreek:Yeah I am looking to move to bulk rather quickly once I understand the basics. What will it take to pump out lets say 5 ounces at a time? Is this task daunting or impossible? Also when you buy spores from a distributor lets say 1 syringe or 1 print how much will each produce granted you dont fuck up?
I'm back at work and my boss seems to hell bent on "the kit" I will try to talk him out of it and see if we cant do everything manually. He is the donator though.
Edited by achoo (02/23/06 09:55 AM)
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dedjam
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: achoo]
#5331432 - 02/23/06 12:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey man, just FYI I tried starting with a kit a few years back with a friend... it contaminated pretty quick. We didnt know what we were doing so we through out the money on another "kit", we got maybe a 1/4oz dry weight, certainly not worth the money.
Then I found shroomery a few years back. I read, probably every thread that came up, and how-to and every faq on this site. Took me a few months. Then I finally started off on my own, I went strait to bulk because I had the confidence and knowledge this place can give.
It was worth the time and effort, and even doing bulk grows I speant MUCH less then I did on either of the kits.
All I am saying is tell your boss to have some patience, read for a few weeks, and then begin. If you are in a hurry now, you are going to end up not learning anything, and with a yield far less than any beginner really expects.
It isnt really difficult, you just have to know what you are doing. After reading a bit you will notice who on here really knows thier shit. Follow thier threads as much as possible, and listen to thier advice. The pictures of some of thier yields speak for themselves.
BTW, I think the first problem is him seeing this kit as "automatic" and doing it the way on here as "manually". Its going to be the same steps pretty much, you are just paying 3X as much for what you need that can all be bought at 1 or 2 different stores, and then re-used indefinitely.
Think of this more along the lines of picking up a new hobby, instead of just growing some shrooms for a trip. Many people on here know what I mean, once you start, you just cant stop. Eventually the grow is more important to you than the shrooms anyways.
Good luck.
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Rickster
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Registered: 02/06/06
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: dedjam]
#5331533 - 02/23/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I bought a kit here in my town at a local head shop for $130 and got less than an ounce of dry... I found this site and ordered two spore syringes and all other supplies here in town for less than a hundred bucks and so far have 7 quart size jars fully colonized and one LC jar and still have enough spores to do 14 more quart size jars and thats not including what I will get from my LC!
And all I have to say is Thank you SHROOMERY!
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achoo
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: Rickster]
#5331643 - 02/23/06 01:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Gopenguins and Rickster, thank you for your opinions. I have an idea, can someone check out this kit on mushbox.com it is called "The Self-Auto System combined with the MYG Kit" for $325.99 + shipping. Can someone critque this kit and tell me the skinny? I will let him read your post and then he would be able to see that it is not in fact better.
We are realisticly looking to produce 2 ounces a run how can we pull this off. He says that this mushbox "the kit" looks lik there is enough space to do so.(likes to put "the kit" in quotes, sounds funny).
THANK YOU
Edited by achoo (02/23/06 01:30 PM)
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Rickster
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: achoo]
#5331701 - 02/23/06 01:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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2 - 66 quart containers that double as incubator + - ----grow chamber providing indefinite harvests $5-$15 a piece ? 1 - 100 watt fully submersible heater $20-$40 at a pet shop ? 1 - Humidity and air exchange device $15-$35 also at the pet shop ? 1 - 22 quart bag of perlite I got an 8 quart bar for $3 you can get just about all of this at walmart 1 - Complete MYG Mushroom Growing Kit Follow a tec on this site for less than $50 of cost for tec supplies (e.x. brown rice flower $4 for 2lb, and spores at sporeworks.com for 17 dollars a syringe)
With a little ingenuity you can have it built in no time! There are several tecs on this site to build your own (BETTER) chamber!
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Rickster
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: Rickster]
#5331711 - 02/23/06 01:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Prices may vary, also you may need to buy other small supplies like silicone and hoses but I think you should follow a tec or use your imagination on this, make it your own! just follow basic necessities for a chamber and go!
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Rickster
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: Rickster]
#5331722 - 02/23/06 01:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mushrooms take time no mater how you go on this, a kit can take weeks to order, you could have everything done by the time it arrives!
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Rickster
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Re: Do you recomend? [Re: Rickster]
#5331742 - 02/23/06 01:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Sporworks.com has two day delivery cheap! thats where I got 2 syringes and two day delivery $40! I went with golden teachers and amazonians they are always having sales!
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