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agar
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Automated FAE
#5328829 - 02/22/06 05:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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FAE is critical for optimal harvests.
I don't, nor have ever "fanned" trays.
Anyone with a little ingenuity, can automate FAE.
(I am not talking pumps, as in diagram, or piston pumps)
I am talking FANS. (as near silent as exists)
There is literally a million types of FANS out there.
Many of which are for ONLINE applications.
Or, with a little alteration can be used IN-LINE.
Keep your eyes open at garage sales, thrift stores, science surplus places, eBay & all over the place.
If you spy an INEXPENSIVE fan that might work IN-LINE.
Snap it up & try to put it to use, with a timer.
It is toilet flush simple to use PVC pipe & fittings to vent into a fruiting chamber.
With a little more ingenuity, it is also simple to modify an ULTRASONIC humidifier to in-line applications.
Then, you have the best of both worlds.  (automated FAE & Rh)
Now, all the nay sayer's will jump in about air filters.
Once you are at the pin/fruiting stage. There is no real need for any fancy extra-ordinary air filtration. (so long as the environment is relatively sanitary)
Once at the pinning/fruiting stage, ponder this.
The substrate is FULLY colonized. The casing cover is fully colonized. The tray is pinning/fruiting.
Even if a few mold spores get to it, sooner or later. They have to germinate & grow, before there is any visible BS. (which takes considerable time)
You can get 2 or 3 good flushes, before any contaminate is visible.
Those first few flushes, is where the bulk of the crop comes from.
Once AUTOMATED, life gets easy.
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5328855 - 02/22/06 06:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5328860 - 02/22/06 06:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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>>>>>>>>>>.With a little more ingenuity, it is also simple to modify an ULTRASONIC humidifier to in-line applications.
I like that idea, but when I up grade I will have to think about that route.
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musher_420
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Small fans from like electronics and such need a DC power source. Batteries are kinda a pain in the ass to be changing. What do you use as a power supply to the fans?
Also, What is the difference between online and inline?
Edited by musher_420 (02/22/06 06:13 PM)
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agar
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 (whole unit is about 8 inch's square)
Where there is a will, there is a way.
Many ultrasonic humidifiers have have ROUND outlets.
Simple to alter with PVC pipe flange & a "T" PVC fitting to have it vent into an in-line application.
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agar
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I'm not talking DC powered fans. (batteries SUCK)
 110 AC you wire or plug in an outlet.
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5328942 - 02/22/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Ahh I see now 
Might be a bit much for a martha sized set up. But it would be a FANTASTIC alternative to a cool-mist for a mini green house set up.
Combined with an ultra sonic of course.
Edited by musher_420 (02/22/06 06:35 PM)
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Snaggletooth
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Can you recommend a Ultrasonic humidifier model number, for a freezer type set up......
If one was going to go out and buy one insted of looking for deals
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agar
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LOL, sorry.
The closet full I have all came from garage sales & thrift stores. (on average $3 each cost).
A FOGGER in an enclosed 5g plastic bucket of water also works. PVC pipe can be fitted to a plastic bucket lid - easy.

 FOG http://www.mainlandmart.com/foggers.html
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5329017 - 02/22/06 07:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Great idea now I have to place an order.....man you cost me money...when my women ask 'what do you need that for', I just blame you..lol 
But I am very thankful, 
This idea I can use now,
Do have a recommendation as to the size pre FC size or know a way to figure it out.
This is what I am using for RH and heat...

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agar
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Be sure to get the buoy thing, fogger floats on.
No recommendation on a fan.
Any that blow as breeze will work.
If you get a strong one. Simply have it timed in much shorter intervals ON.
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5329078 - 02/22/06 07:22 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Got it and I thank you 
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Thanks agar, this is one post that I needed to read. I really appreciate and crave the "mushroom cultivation for dummies" approach.
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most air matress blower uppers are very powerfull and very compact, but loud as hell!
hook one of these up to a timer, and you are set. If you can stand the noise?
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Good stuff agar. I do have to severely stress that short intervals are important. I recently completed my first grow in my automated FANNED tub (look at signature for results). The fan caused problems. My casing layer would dry out quickly (even with it on 3 minute intervals every 4 hours.) It caused misting once, even twice a day.
So I would suggest definately using an inline humidifier.
To see how much it changed, I sat and stared through my fan while it was spinning at my guages. My humidity went from 95+ to around 75 every time it kicked on. Then took another 30 minutes to get back up there (from the perlite.)
Just my 2 cents!
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: tokey666]
#5365463 - 03/04/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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But Agar It dosen't say that on the TV..HOW CAN THIS POSSIBLY WORK ...just jokes
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If batteries are a problem then cut and splice the jack from your old nintendo...
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agar
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: tokey666]
#5367471 - 03/05/06 01:50 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Yup, you have to be careful of automated fans.
A lot depends on how you rig them, the size of the FC & other factors. In my case FC is bigger (24 cubic feet).

The in-line system is piped through a 5 gallon bucket 3/4 full of water & there is a fogger in the bucket.
So, it will pump in a LOT of fresh air, along with a lot of mist, all at once.
Even with the fogger off, the Rh of the FAE is still fairly high, since FAE travels through the bucket of water.
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5371312 - 03/06/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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i am seriously going to go this route... but i need a good fan? something to hook up to this hose here.
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yep, im building myself one too  peace ohm
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: ohmatic]
#5376820 - 03/08/06 08:25 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5376846 - 03/08/06 08:37 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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agar would a PC fan have enough force to work w/ this type setup (your 5 gallon bucket w/ fogger) or do you need a real fan??
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agar
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A big one (4X4X1.2 inch) would probably work.
Not one of the match book size weeny teeny ones.
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5376912 - 03/08/06 09:03 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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kewl.. you think that type of setup would work for pan's also agar, or just cubies??
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an old computer power supply and some computer case fans is what i use for drying and for fae. right now i have to switch em on manually, but i wanna get a good timer for them.
also, how does that fogger work being way down in the bottom of the bucket? whats teh purpose of the fan and fogger together? i assume the fan would airate the water and the air enough to raise the humidity...
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ohmatic
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Quote:
willmafingerdo said: kewl.. you think that type of setup would work for pan's also agar, or just cubies??
obviously as they need about the same fruiting conditions it would work for them just aswell. peace ohm
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: ohmatic]
#5391283 - 03/12/06 08:28 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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you know what im wondering, those little ultrasonic units, how deep can one actually submerge them and still get them to fog ? peace ohm
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: ohmatic]
#5391328 - 03/12/06 08:57 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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 That one is 6 inchs deep. (full 12 quart dish pan)
It depends on the size & type fogger. You can also get the floats for then - cheap.
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5391356 - 03/12/06 09:15 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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6 inches does the trick, funny thing - been toying with that idea for a year (someone at another board did the very same thing) and now prolly will fix it up.
heh, shroomery is convincing i guess  peace ohm
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5392192 - 03/12/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Quote:
agar said:
Nice design! I've thought about doing something like this before, just couldn't find a fan that would work.
Cool mists have always been a PITA for me. Leaks too much. Time to go look at some fans
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I have a 120mm AC cooling fan, I plan on mounting it inside of a fruiting chamber made from a small aquarium, does anyone have a general idea of how I should time it? I was thinking maybe five minutes on every hour or so... I may just have to experiment.
As for RH I find a reptile heat pad underneath the fc keeps it nice and humid inside, and right around optimum temperature if the fc is in a cold room 
peace
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#5392917 - 03/12/06 06:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: cappa]
#5416342 - 03/18/06 03:51 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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agar, i've been using a fogger for that type of setup. but recently my fogger stopped outputting so much fog. anyomre, its throwing up a jet of water insted of a fog. people have told me to clean the "disk" at the top of the fogger and I have (even though it doesnt look dirty).
any ideas on why my fogger isn't working?
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5416374 - 03/18/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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agar why do you have the 2" pipe comeing down from the fan into the water w/ the holes drilled in it?? what purpus dose that have?? just to restrict the air flow some??
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willmafingerdo said: agar why do you have the 2" pipe comeing down from the fan into the water w/ the holes drilled in it?? what purpus dose that have?? just to restrict the air flow some??
you need to change the vibration plate. they are relatively inexpensive, but need a special key to replace (also cheap)
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agar
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You don't need to do it - that way. But, I suggest you do. Higher pressure inside it, simply breaks the surface tension of water inside it, which in-part recoils a small amount of water vapor out the holes, which exhausts out with the air flow, even when the fogger is off..
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Re: Automated FAE [Re: agar]
#5432792 - 03/23/06 01:12 AM (17 years, 10 months ago) |
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How many cfm output would you need from a fan on this set up? I was looking at a 100 cfm computer fan. Now would I have the fan running constantly for FAE and have the Humidifier set on a timer or would I have both on a timer running at the same time?
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Reli-On Ultrasonic

Vicks Cool Mist

Martha and tubing




For the Cool mist I just bought a regular cheap hepa filter from walmart, and then cut it up, and taped it over the old filter. Works like a charm.
Cool mist provides 24/7 air exchange, and the ultrasonic pops on every 2 hours for 20 minutes for humidity.
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