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Everything 5-MeO-DMT
    #5326453 - 02/21/06 11:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Does anyone have any experience with B. Alvarius toads or the venom?

I'm thinking about purchasing a few toads for pets. Does the venom remain viable in controlled surroundings? What do these little fuckers eat?

I thought this subject would bring some conversation anyway. :thumbup:


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    #5326516 - 02/21/06 11:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: Everything 5-MeO-DMT [Re: barto]
    #5326905 - 02/22/06 01:41 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well this wasn't the start i was looking for. i have two questions. are the effects of the 5 meo exaggerated at all compared to trip reports off say, salvia? is the duration of a trip really 17 minutes. any feedback would be appreciated.

ps - i dont plan on harming any living creatures. ive already said these toads would primarily be pets.


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Re: Everything 5-MeO-DMT [Re: barto]
    #5327017 - 02/22/06 02:20 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

East tiger, there's only half an hour between your first two posts and a couple between that and the second!

Anyway, i'm afraid my advice is read and learn. If you have a genuine commitment to this, you can test it by doing your own homework!
Yes there are vendors online, but generally you have to know what you're on about to get some.
The info about these toads and how to look after them is out there. Have you looked after toads or frogs before? What kind of money can you afford for a set up? You'll need a sizable enclosure to keep them healthy and happy. Plus the toads themselves can be pricey.

It's also worth noting that many people do not enjoy 5-Meo-DMT very much, and bufotenin even less so......
www.erowid.org has all the info about the specfic drugs.....


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Re: Everything 5-MeO-DMT [Re: Oakbear]
    #5327059 - 02/22/06 02:49 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

wtf people dont enjoy it you say? same with stupid salvia. eh from what ive read its a pretty short but enjoyable experience. one more question and im done. before i invest in anything i would like to know first hand what its like. how much should i expect to pay for one dose?


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Re: Everything 5-MeO-DMT [Re: barto]
    #5327063 - 02/22/06 02:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't have any experience squeezing toads, but I have a lot of experience with 5-Meo/DMT.

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are the effects of the 5 meo exaggerated at all compared to trip reports off say, salvia? is the duration of a trip really 17 minutes.




I'm not sure I understand the first question..? Are you asking if Meo is more intense than salvia?
And yes, if you smoke it, you feel the effects instantaneously, and the major effects last roughly 10 minutes. After that, you gradually come down during the course of about an hour, at which point you're back to about 85% of baseline.

It's true, though, that the toad venom also contains bufotenin, which can make you ill.


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Re: Everything 5-MeO-DMT [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5327078 - 02/22/06 03:00 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

...Meo and DMT are both very intense. None of my close friends will touch them. I would definitely rate 5-Meo-/DMT much higher than salvia, though--in terms of quality of the experience. I can't even begin to get into the reasons why, since it's late, but Meo produces significant euphoria, while salvia doesn't. Of course, they're both so disorienting that the word "euphoria" takes on a different meaning.

And here's a little secret (*taps nose): I hate salvia; but for some reason, when I've combined it with Meo, it synergizes in a remarkeable way. If you ever have both of those things at the same time, try sprinkling some Meo on a small bowl of salvia, and hit it. (Be careful not to contact the flame with the Meo -- you want to vaporize it.) Just be prepared for an unbelievably intense experience.


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Re: Everything 5-MeO-DMT [Re: barto]
    #5327086 - 02/22/06 03:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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wtf people dont enjoy it you say? same with stupid salvia. eh from what ive read its a pretty short but enjoyable experience. one more question and im done. before i invest in anything i would like to know first hand what its like. how much should i expect to pay for one dose?




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www.erowid.org has all the info about the specfic drugs.....



...and trip reports too


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Re: Everything 5-MeO-DMT [Re: Oakbear]
    #5327139 - 02/22/06 04:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i like 5meo dmt, i prefer smoking freebase and buy ir from a chemical supplier. i wouldnt milk a toad for it. but 5meo dmt is a highly intresting tryptamine. But I prefer DMT and DPT over it


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Re: Everything 5-MeO-DMT [Re: giz]
    #5327179 - 02/22/06 05:22 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:smileyfrog: ribbit ! ribbit !



dont do toad if you do you'll end up lookin like this poor soul  :sexysmile:


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Re: Everything 5-MeO-DMT [Re: Land_Crab]
    #5327208 - 02/22/06 05:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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...Meo and DMT are both very intense. None of my close friends will touch them. I would definitely rate 5-Meo-/DMT much higher than salvia, though--in terms of quality of the experience. I can't even begin to get into the reasons why, since it's late, but Meo produces significant euphoria, while salvia doesn't. Of course, they're both so disorienting that the word "euphoria" takes on a different meaning.

...Just be prepared for an unbelievably intense experience.




I did 5-meo-DMT about 2 years ago. It was the most intense body high ive ever experienced, produced no visuals. I only did it once, smoked it though a bong over some bud. I felt like i was close to death, there was no euphoria. My friend snorted it at the same time, he said he felt like his head was going to explode and he was getting random flashes of color over evything he looked at. I did a small amount and it was a very, very intense experience; not even pleasurable in my opinon. Salvia is very different, ive only experiemented with 5x (once while on 400mg+/- DXM which was incredible) and it was very euphoric and worth my while. I guess it depends on personal preference, im sure there are many who will dissagree.


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Re: Everything 5-MeO-DMT [Re: Abrainspot]
    #5328137 - 02/22/06 01:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

My friends and I purchased a toad a little while ago. I tried it twice. The first time I barely felt any effects and the second time made me never want to do it again. It was very scary with nothing positive coming out of the experience. I would not recommend it or at least try it before you buy a toad.


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Re: Everything 5-MeO-DMT [Re: Abrainspot]
    #5329026 - 02/22/06 07:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think I understand what you mean, jst31.  That's why I wrote: :"Of course, they're both so disorienting that the word "euphoria" takes on a different meaning."

There are so many different kinds of euphoria, (with regards to drugs in particular,) that we need some new words, because one just isn't cutting it.  I mean, you could say that both crack and pot produce euphoria, but their effects are completely different.  And with things like Meo/DMT/salvia, the experience is so intense that it's hard to place it on the "euphoria" scale -- unless you have an extremely negative or positive reaction.

Different strokes for different folks, as you say.  To be fair, though, if you've only taken Meo 1-2 times, but you've taken salvia many times, it's more difficult to compare the two.  (You could swap Meo and salvia in that last sentence; this is purely in the interest of science!)
:amanitajar:

I wonder if you were ever to combine Meo with salvia that you would have a similar reaction as I have -- that is to say the Meo somehow offsets all of the negative characteristics of the salvia.  I wonder if the reverse would be true?

I want to ask you, though, if have you've experienced ego loss on psychedelics before?


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