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GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?)
    #5325249 - 02/21/06 06:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:rolleyes:
ok so i built a glove box against my own wishes.
then i re-built it.
then i obsessed about it some more,

then i tried using it...

i figured i would use it to perform a simple task that doesn't necessarily require a GB.
just so i could get some experience using it...
ie, aspirating LC from baby bottles into vacutainers via sterile/wrapped syringes...

i abandoned ship after realizing that after spraying the oust,
it would not dry out so i could work.
i had cleaned all the surfaces w/ 90% iso, and let it mostly dry out.
i tried spraying the oust in the GB closed (lid on)- no avail.
then i dried it all out and cleaned it all (not-as thoroughly this time) w/ 90% iso
then sprayed the oust in the air surrounding the GB and into the GB, then closed the lid.
neither way would dry out-
and i waited too. i mean, drank a beer and watched Aqua Teen waited

i have no fan,
i have no ventilation-

other than the lid is the original rubbermaid lid w/ no extra gasket/seal/plastic sheet. so there is minimal AE through the lid

i've read thru several GB ventilation threads
and I KNOW this comes up ALOT (so, i'm sorry)

but why is something that should be
SO FUCKING EASY
make itself so hard?

i was against the idea of a fan
i know some old hands use various types of vents
i'm new to advanced grow shit, especially teks using methods i strayed away from - ie, glove box use...
now i dont see HOW you can spray shit down and have it DRY w/o a fan.
i DON'T know of any task that would require a fan during actual work...
:confused:

fire away...


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: krill]
    #5325259 - 02/21/06 06:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The single most effective glovebox I've had over the years is a plain old STILL AIR one. Simplify.



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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: krill]
    #5325269 - 02/21/06 06:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

perhaps the alcohol is enough to clean it without the oust? a posi-flow gb always made more since to me anyways just as long and the intake has a good filter (hepa?).


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5325289 - 02/21/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

just as long and the intake has a good filter (hepa?).




care to elaborate?

hey Holydiver...

do you have a BIG GB?
i used the 4" dryer ducting w/ thise SAME EXACT gloves the first time i built mine.
then i found some elbow length gloves and used 6" hose clamps to affix em to my arm ports. (thanks HippyChick!)
those big arm things were too much for my rubbermaid...


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: krill]
    #5325315 - 02/21/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I don't know the size, but it can comfortably hold 10 quart jars to do G2G work and so on. I went to still air after realizing that trying to attach fans and filters was introducing more mold spores than it was worth, and never looked back.


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) *DELETED* [Re: krill]
    #5325322 - 02/21/06 06:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5325345 - 02/21/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You may indeed be spraying too much Oust but being a little wet inside won't hurt a thing just do your thing. Oust is just for scrubbing the air anyway, I use clorox wipes for wiping down the inside of the GB and anything inside of it. Just use alcohol swabs to sterilize the needle, it should work just fine.


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: HippieChick]
    #5325348 - 02/21/06 06:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

^^^I have one like that, I just went that route.... :thumbup:


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: HippieChick]
    #5325352 - 02/21/06 06:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

so, Hippie Chick...
lemme ask ya,
do you run the fan while working?
and exactly what type of filter did you use / is acceptable?

and, that GB is fecking awesome!
definitely a woman's touch there...
notice the suction-cup,soap-dish-thingy guys?  :grin:


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: krill]
    #5327421 - 02/22/06 09:13 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i built a GB exactly like yours HC.

but i ended up converting my posi flow into a still air.

(covering up the outtake hole.)

when i spray, i turn my fan on while i wait. then turn it off to work. it still has the hepa filter on it, but no way to load jars into it.


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5327450 - 02/22/06 09:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

when i build mine, it will be just like hippie chicks. posi flow with hepa. you open the top, clean with alcohol, load up what your gonna work with, close the top, turn on teh fan. let that run for like 30 min to get nice clean air in there.

then when your ready to work, you can either leave the fan running, or just turn it off. either way, i think itll be clean and sterile for a good while so you can get whatever you need to do done.

a regular still air would be just as good, but you dont get the added benefit of sucking in clean air. i mean you can spray oust and (hopefully) disinfect the standing air, but i think the extra cash to set up posi-flow would be worth it.

also i should point out that ive used neither glove boxes, but i plan to build one soon... so this isnt from experience, just from logical deduction.


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: rDr4g0n]
    #5327494 - 02/22/06 09:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

yes but with HC's she has a big hole in the other side of the hepa filter for (the posi flow) gotta have an output.

it's big enough that you can fit jars in and out while working.

but you MUST work with the fan on.

IME i find that i drain lantern batteries too quickly for the use, and if doing a g/g i find that the sudden BLAST of frfesh air halts the growth.


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5327536 - 02/22/06 10:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Question for Hippie Chick,
How long does a battery that size last while running a fan like that?


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: Cubenisseur]
    #5327664 - 02/22/06 11:19 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

A fan is the worst possible thing you can do to a glovebox. There is also no need to spray lysol or oust in a GB. Wipe it with a damp cloth and go to work. There is nothing sterile about a glovebox. STILL air is what you want.
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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: krill]
    #5327675 - 02/22/06 11:25 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Still air is what you want!~

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mine.... http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4359637


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: RogerRabbit]
    #5327697 - 02/22/06 11:35 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I agree still air allows no movement I still scrub the air before closing (added insurance). Those posi-flows do work just fine for many but those filters do allow usually 3% contams to pass but from what I've seen this has little effect on contams rate, I suppose those who have high spore loads in the environment may not have the same results and still air would be the better choice. I use still air GB's exclusively and have never had a problem and they're much cheaper to construct but hell constructing and experimenting is half the fun with this hobby right! :wink:


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: hyphae]
    #5327754 - 02/22/06 11:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

that's why i converted mine to still air...

Road:  you don't use gloves?  I hate using those damn gloves. i think i am gonna chop off the hand portion and leave the arm pieces.

so when i stick my arms in it will produce a seal. i have skinny arms. :frown:


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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: Oatman2000]
    #5327784 - 02/22/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I tried gloves and they were too cumbersome.

so I just screw on the cap peice when my arms aren't in the box.

I have large fore arms...so I get a good seal between my arms and the flange.

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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: Roadkill]
    #5327851 - 02/22/06 12:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

nice... i think i am going to do this...

i am friekin retarded when it comes to working with those gloves on!

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Re: GloveBox standoff: PosiFlow Fan vs. Still Air (FAE?) [Re: hyphae]
    #5328040 - 02/22/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

hyphae said:
I agree still air allows no movement I still scrub the air before closing (added insurance). Those posi-flows do work just fine for many but those filters do allow usually 3% contams to pass but from what I've seen this has little effect on contams rate, I suppose those who have high spore loads in the environment may not have the same results and still air would be the better choice. I use still air GB's exclusively and have never had a problem and they're much cheaper to construct but hell constructing and experimenting is half the fun with this hobby right! :wink:




Hyphae. With your box; the exhaust hose is mounted in that fassion to allow you freedom with glooved hands? Or, are the glooves mounted to the arm holes as well? I'm guessing they're not mounted.... :smile:

That's a great idea and easily solves my problem with mounted glooves that are tight fit enough to handle tools exc. Then getting out of the glooves after work..lol! If I mounted the glooves I like to use, it would take me an hour to get out of them...


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