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MisterMyco
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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: FooMan]
#5326099 - 02/21/06 09:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I don't recommend sterilization either. Let me put it to you this way
Lets say that your answer to "Why not sterilize poo" was "because a demon will tear open the earth and consume you". Now, I totally disagree with that based on past experience. We would both come to the same conclusion, that is pasteurization is better, but your reason still is faulty and incorrect. Because of that, I challeneged your viewpoint. I always pasteurize bulk substrates, but not because I'll kill the fairies that live in the cow shit, galliently fighting off trichoderma spores with their swords of pure light.
Face it dude, you were wrong.
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Rahz
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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: MisterMyco]
#5326111 - 02/21/06 09:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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>>>>Noone has EVER
True, but experience can produce meaningful information without ever procuring the specifics you ask for. I understand what you've stated, but again, why do so many advocate lower pasturization temps? Surely there's a reason?
It would be easy enough to test. Sterilize 2 jars (one filled with sub) Pasturize some sub and fill the second jar. Let them sit, exposed to open air and see which contaminates first.
Rahz
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: MisterMyco]
#5326130 - 02/21/06 09:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i dont think he was wrong at all
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FooMan



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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: MisterMyco]
#5326156 - 02/21/06 09:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Blah, Blah, Blah.
I'll end this now. PM me if you want to keep being childish. I'll arrange for a little schoolyard fight and we'll see what names you throw out when there's a person and not a computer screen in front of you.
This thread has run it's course. Agar's seems to be more productive.
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MisterMyco
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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: FooMan]
#5326161 - 02/21/06 09:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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OMFG I M TEH SCAR#D!!!!!@#12!!!!!!!11onehundredeleventhousandonehundredeleven
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Rahz
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>>>>i dont think he was wrong at all
Neither do I. Failure to provide requested information doesn't default a win. Subs prepared both ways may colonize without contams, but the question is, which sub is more likely to contam? Which sub if left uninnoculated will go bad first? I'm going to do an experiment, I can't think of a better way to find the answer 
Rahz
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MisterMyco
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Quote:
SHEIKofSHIITAKE said: i dont think he was wrong at all
He already admitted he was mistaken about firefang existing as a contaminant prohibiting agent. Stamets himself said that firefang should be exhausted and deceased before the substrate is to be used for mushrooms. What more do you need?
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FooMan



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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: MisterMyco]
#5326179 - 02/21/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
FooManShroom said: PM me if you want to keep being childish.
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MisterMyco said: OMFG I M TEH SCAR#D!!!!!@#12!!!!!!!11onehundredeleventhousandonehundredeleven
My point EXACTLY. Not so much, "LET'S FIGHT MAN!", but that you just won't let it go and HAVE to have the last word.
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MisterMyco
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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: Rahz]
#5326189 - 02/21/06 09:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You will appreciate pasteurization a lot more. It's simpler and one of the byproducts is a tea that is saturated with great nutrients and has few, if any, microbes left alive in it. It's great for soaking grains, watering plant crops and (some might disagree) dunking casings in.
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: MisterMyco]
#5326210 - 02/21/06 09:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Maybe in the comercial production of compost. But in the field collectors ransacking a pile of dung ..... i think not. Paul is on the other side of the spectrum
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MisterMyco
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So, using the facts presented here, what are you saying?
That manure collected from a field that wasn't totally decomposed by firefang is what the majority of the people here are using.
Well, thats not good! You want to find aged poo, every "tek" that I have read here talks about the importance of it. Agars pictures show poo nugs with white streaks running through them. Thats what you WANT! Be it properly made compost or field turds from a horse farm, it should look like that. If not, age it a little until it does.
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: MisterMyco]
#5326288 - 02/21/06 10:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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You now have fallen into the same trap you were saying we all have fallen into. Beleaving, what others say here as fact.
You are also making assumptions. All i said was a pile of dung. Dont try and undermine me by making it seem as if i am a novice.
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Hoss
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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: MisterMyco]
#5326304 - 02/21/06 10:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Streptomyces is a genus of Actinobacteria. (Actinomycetes)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streptomyces
"Streptomycetes are characterised by a complex secondary metabolism. They produce a large number of antibiotics that are in clinical use"
http://biology.kenyon.edu/Microbial_Biorealm/bacteria/gram-positive/streptomyces/streptomyces.html
"Streptomycetes are most widely known for their ability to synthesize antibiotics. Over 50 different antibiotics have ben isolated from streptomycetes, providing most of the world's antibiotics."
http://www-micro.msb.le.ac.uk/Video/Streptomyces.html
"Streptomycetes are also of medical and industrial importance because they synthesize antibiotics. There are several theories to may explain antibiotic production, the most widely accepted one being that antibiotics help the organism compete with other organisms in the relatively nutrient-depleted environment of the soil by reducing competition."
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: Hoss]
#5326338 - 02/21/06 10:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i wonder what those and penicillin mold have in common?
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Hoss
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Penecillium my good man, penecillium. =]
Oooh! I know! They both make antibiotics!
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Corporal Kielbasa

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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: Hoss]
#5326414 - 02/21/06 10:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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ha thats how i spelled it but spell check denied me!
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shymanta
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Holy crap! I really stated something. Makes me think of the butterfly effect.
So, what I gathered from this thread that applies to my question is:
There may be beneficial organism in the poo to warrant not killing them with sterilization. Sterilization (high temps) might damage some nutrients. Sterilized poo can work. More people use pasteurized poo.
My personal conclusions:
Pasteurize if spawning to poo (i.e. open air), sterilize if inoculating poo in a sealed environment (e.g. jars or bags).
Thank you all for your attention. I consider my quesiton answered very well.
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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: MisterMyco]
#5327765 - 02/22/06 12:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Calm down a notch...
no need for the attitude!~
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Re: Why not sterilize poo? [Re: MisterMyco]
#5328979 - 02/22/06 06:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are we growing here or looking for attention? There are many things in life that the most knowledgeable can't explain they just know it works and thats a simple fact of life except it or please move on. BTW I totally agree aged poo definitely rocks without a doubt!!!!
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