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robmac9090
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Re: Court Allows Church's Hallucinogenic Tea [Re: Konnrade]
#5326694 - 02/22/06 12:22 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I was only joking...
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eligal
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Re: Court Allows Church's Hallucinogenic Tea [Re: Deadmaker]
#5326708 - 02/22/06 12:28 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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arent there also native american tribes which are allowed to take certain psychedelics for religious practices?
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Re: Court Allows Church's Hallucinogenic Tea [Re: gdman]
#5326711 - 02/22/06 12:30 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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What about cultural uses of substances. Like when the boys get out of work we all meet up in a garage discussing todays events and talking politics over a bowl. Why cant cultural uses be aknowledged like spirituality. Afterall cultural uses are more solid then that of realigion i suppose.
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robmac9090
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I'm trying to find that out right now. The Aztec's supposedly used mushrooms for ceremony, but there doesn't seem to be much information as to the details of their religion. I do know that they made human sacrifices though...so that kinda stinks.
I hope this ruling sparks off a little bit of a controversy throughout...
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robmac9090
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Re: Court Allows Church's Hallucinogenic Tea [Re: robmac9090]
#5326746 - 02/22/06 12:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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http://a257.g.akamaitech.net/7/257/2422/...pdf/04-1084.pdf
The link is the actual court opinion if anyone wants to read.
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Konnrade
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Re: Court Allows Church's Hallucinogenic Tea [Re: eligal]
#5326764 - 02/22/06 12:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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eligal said: arent there also native american tribes which are allowed to take certain psychedelics for religious practices?
The native american church was allowed by the supreme court to use peyote as a religious sacrament in their ceremonies. I've spoken to a native american who uses san pedro however, which would imply that mescaline as a whole tends to be allowed , even if not implicitly stated as legal.
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eligal
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Re: Court Allows Church's Hallucinogenic Tea [Re: Konnrade]
#5326911 - 02/22/06 01:42 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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nice
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Re: Court Allows Church's Hallucinogenic Tea [Re: Konnrade]
#5326946 - 02/22/06 01:51 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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What about members of the religion that eat teonanactyl?
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Re: Court Allows Church's Hallucinogenic Tea [Re: MisterMyco]
#5326987 - 02/22/06 02:07 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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MisterMyco said: What about members of the religion that eat teonanactyl?
I've never heard of teonanactyl
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Koala Koolio
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Re: Court Allows Church's Hallucinogenic Tea [Re: Konnrade]
#5327462 - 02/22/06 09:36 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Mushrooms. It means mushrooms.
"You can only argue religious grounds for use of a scheduled substance in a religion if the religion was pre-existing and was grandfathered into your religion prior to laws which scheduled the substance."
This brings to mind: How is the church of inners light or whatever's DPT quest going?
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Re: Court Allows Church's Hallucinogenic Tea [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5327702 - 02/22/06 11:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Is the UDV only for South Americans, or of their direct lineage?? Like the Native American Church?
If so, that's racist and it sucks. 
I'd go and honestly listen to what they have to say, if not. The UDV in Santa Fe isn't that far from here.
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Re: Court Allows Church's Hallucinogenic Tea [Re: mediman0078]
#5329866 - 02/22/06 10:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, the downside is that you have to be of a certain ethnic descent. Back in the 70s the Supreme Court ruled that the Peyote Way Church was illegal narcotics use while the Native American Church is legit because of race, even though they both were very similar. The ruling denied being racist, but it appears clear that the right of exemption they make for indian nations is based on race.
Here is what is good: Now researchers have another legitimate psychedelic community to observe. If another study showed that DMT, like peyote, in religous use is harmless then gradually science would be forced to recognize that psychedelics in general are not dangerous narcotics with a high potential for abuse. Perhaps that evidence would prompt an evaluation into the dubious and unsound origin of these drug laws.
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