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InvisibleStickyWater
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hibiscus question
    #5324259 - 02/21/06 02:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hi, recently I was doing some reading when I stumbled upon some sites that mentioned smoking the hibiscus flower as both a relaxing and for the flavour/scent... It just so happense I have an abnormally large amount of hibiscus (don't ask) and if I could simply pluck off a flower and prepare that to smoke it, well, my weed budget would be a lot lower... My only concern is that my knowledge of plants is somewhat limited to just their basic care, most of the plants were storebought, so I'd assume that at some point in time some sort of pesticide, etc may have been used on them though not in a long time... My concern is would there be any ill effects from smoking a flower that came from a plant that may have had pesticides or some other chemicals sprayed on it at some point in time? Even if those chemicals hadn't been used in several months/years? Just thought I'd check with you guys before I went and did something I'd regret... Ever since getting into mushrooms and finding the shroomery I can't help but be more careful about what I'm introducing to


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Re: hibiscus question [Re: StickyWater]
    #5324392 - 02/21/06 02:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

there is 300 hibiscus species, which one are you reffering to or are you saying that the whole genus is active (one way or another)?


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Re: hibiscus question [Re: giz]
    #5324430 - 02/21/06 03:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

not entirely sure, I still have to do some reading, all it said was "hibiscus"... I'll get back to you if I find any specific species... Even if what I have isn't active, so long as the taste isn't bad as long as it's not putting anything particularily nasty (other than the usual stuff you get in smoke) then I'd be happy


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Re: hibiscus question [Re: StickyWater]
    #5324452 - 02/21/06 03:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

maybe this is it,

Quote:

This is Frontier''s nitrogen-flushed double wall silverfoil pack. Some Frontier packs are double wall wax-lined paper.

Makes red zinger tea, mixed with any number of other herbs. The flower is a good adddition to spicy salads, and it makes a fruity, fragrant smoke, both for meats and fish, and in a pipe.

Hibiscus tea does have a laxative effect due to its high content of poorly absorbable fruit acids.

Researchers have also found that extracts of Hibiscus leaf tend to slightly relax the uterus and reduce blood pressure, thus making it a rather relaxing smoking and sipping herb, especially for those with high blood pressure.

http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/duke_energy/Hibiscus_sabdariffa.html:

Source of a red beverage known as jamaica in Mexico (said to contain citric acid and salts, serving as a diuretic). Calyx, called karkade in Switzerland, a name not too different from the Arabic. Karkade is used in jams, jellies, sauces, and wines.

In the West indies and elsewhere in the Tropics the fleshy calyxes are used fresh for making roselle wine, jelly, syrup, gelatin, refreshing beverages, pudding, and cakes, and dried roselle is used for tea, jelly, marmalade, ices, ice-cream, sherbets, butter, pies, sauces, tarts, and other desserts. Calyxes are used in the West Indies to color and flavor rum. Tender leaves and stalks are eaten as salad and as a pot-herb and are used for seasoning curries.

Seeds have been used as an aphrodisiac coffee substitute. Fruits are edible (Watt and Breyer-Brandwijk, 1962). Perry cites one study showing roselle''s usefulness in arteriosclerosis and as an intestinal antiseptic (Perry, 1980).

Roselle is cultivated primarily for the bast fiber obtained from the stems. The fiber strands, up to 1.5 m long, are used for cordage and as a substitute for jute in the manufacture of burlap.

Folk Medicine

Medicinally, leaves are emollient, and are much used in Guinea as a diuretic, refrigerant, and sedative; fruits are antiscorbutic; leaves, seeds, and ripe calyxes are diuretic and antiscorbutic; and the succulent calyx, boiled in water, is used as a drink in bilious attacks; flowers contain gossypetin, anthocyanin, and glucoside hibiscin, which may have diuretic and choleretic effects, decreasing the viscosity of the blood, reducing blood pressure and stimulating intestinal peristalsis. In Burma, the seed are used for debility, the leaves as emollient.

Taiwanese regard the seed as diuretic, laxative, and tonic. Philippines use the bitter root as an aperitive and tonic (Perry, 1980). Angolans use the mucilaginous leaves as an emollient and as a soothing cough remedy. Central Africans poultice the leaves on abscesses. Alcoholics might consider one item: simulated ingestion of the plant extract decreased the rate of absorption of alcohol, lessening the intensity of alcohol effects in chickens (Watt and Breyer-Brandwijk).

http://www.herbmed.org/Herbs/Herb43.htm:

Clinical Trials

11.2% decrease in systolic blood pressure and 10.7% decrease of diastolic pressure after 12 days in 31 patients with moderate essential hypertension taking Hibiscus vs. control group Haji Faraji 1999

Urine excretion of creatinine, uric acid, citrate, tartrate, calcium, sodium, potassium and phosphate decreased in 36 men consuming roselle juice (Hibiscus sabdariffa) @ 16-24 g/d Kirdpon 1994






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Re: hibiscus question [Re: giz]
    #5324469 - 02/21/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

also from dr,dukes phytochemical database:
http://sun.ars-grin.gov:8080/npgspub/xsql/duke/plantdisp.xsql?taxon=474

dr duke has also done phytochemical analyzes of
Hibiscus cannabinus
Hibiscus mutabilis
Hibiscus rosa-sinensis
Hibiscus syriacus


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Re: hibiscus question [Re: StickyWater]
    #5324571 - 02/21/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

is there a specific reason he spelt pharmacy with an F? seems a little sketchy to me, just for that reason...

Also I don't entirely trust the tags from nurseries, etc to ID species (I've bought a lot of plants that had the wrong tags) would anyone be able to ID my hibiscus from a picture/detailed description? How would I go about getting it ID'd?


Edited by StickyWater (02/21/06 04:00 PM)


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Re: hibiscus question [Re: StickyWater]
    #5324784 - 02/21/06 04:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Dr Duke is concideret to be vary reliable source for phytochemicals reports on ethnobotanicals im sure many here can confirm this.. I have notices farmacy and fermacy has been used instead of pharmacy in several scientific journals. Maybe it originates from europe. here pharmacy is farmalogi

here is a article on him
http://www.plant-talk.org/stories/4duke.html


Edited by giz (02/21/06 05:05 PM)


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Re: hibiscus question [Re: giz]
    #5325284 - 02/21/06 06:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Hmmmm, alright... but you can understand why it might look a little sketchy to someone who was unaware that it has also been done in other documents, etc... Least I'm questioning my sources before spouting out quotes so people think I know what I'm talking about :p (you all know who you are)

Anyways, I appreciate the help and effort you put into gathering the information, don't think it's gone unnoticed :wink:


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Re: hibiscus question [Re: StickyWater]
    #5326444 - 02/21/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i wouldnt smoke the flowers. in mexico as maybe you know they drink a certian habiscus flower tea called jamaica pronounced hamaica. lots of vitamin c and is refreshing sour and fruity. It is the main ingredient in fruit herbal teas. check out some boxes :b)


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