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A near-miss story and a tip
#5324245 - 02/21/06 02:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Back a couple of years ago, I worked for an internet company. It was tradition that when I got off work, I would pack a bowl in the parking lot and smoke it on my drive home.
This day was no different....I packed a bowl and headed out. I was driving on a road getting ready to enter a major highway. I had just taken a huge hit when I saw a cop come past me on the opposite side of a two-lane road, and as a force of habit, I glanced in the rear-view to make sure he kept going. He didn't keep going. He pulled in to a driveway, backed out and came after me.
So here I am, blowing out a huge hit, trying to hide my pipe and a cop has his lights on behind me. I played like I didn't see him until after I had made the turn on to the highway ramp, then I pulled over. I was shaking like a leaf! I got everything hid and had my information out for him before he got out of his car. I lit a cigarette and waited. He opened his car door to step out and I hear "WOOF WOOF!!!" Oh no, he's got a goddamn DOG!!
I am freaking on the inside by now....I'm scared shitless actually. I guess I maintained my composure well enough, and he asks to see my information. The whole time all I can think about is that the dog is going to alert on my paperwork when the cop goes back to the car or he is going to smell weed and that I am fucked. The cop asks me why I thought I got pulled over and I told him I had no idea. I wasn't speeding or anything like that and as far as I knew the car was in working order. He tells me that my inspection sticker was expired and ask me if I knew. I must have had a shocked look on my face because he said "Looks like you didn't son." I tell him I rarely pay attention to that, the wife usually handles it.
He goes back to the car and opens his door.....WOOF, WOOF, WOO WOO WOO WOO WOOF. I hear that fucking dog and I about shit myself again! I sit for about 10 minutes and he comes back with a citation....If I prove an inspection within 5 days, I am clear. Needless to say, I complied and all was well..
The tip is this....before you go out joy riding or even to the store for bread, make sure you check out your vehicle to make sure you are within the law or it may turn in to a BAD day.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Delinquentes]
#5324378 - 02/21/06 02:53 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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it seems like 90% of the "cops caught me smoking pot" stories involve a car.
The tip is this...
the tip should be "don't smoke pot while you're driving or drive while high because you've got a good chance of getting busted and you'll be a danger to others on the road".
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: wilshire]
#5324554 - 02/21/06 03:50 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is no real danger in being high and driving, in fact there were some studies that showed pot to tend to cause people to drive more safely, in contrast to alcohol.
99.99% of the danger is in getting busted
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damn you got lucky.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: wilshire]
#5326747 - 02/22/06 12:43 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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wilshire said: the tip should be "don't smoke pot while you're driving or drive while high because you've got a good chance of getting busted and you'll be a danger to others on the road".
While I appreciate your concern, I can assure you that me driving high is 94.5% better then the fucktards on the road talking on a cell phone, reading the paper or the best one I have seen yet....I saw a woman eating a bowl of cereal while operating a motor vehicle. I kid you not.
There have been studies done (and well hidden) that verify that driving drunk is far worse than driving high. I'm not condoning driving while high, but I AM saying that it's not for you to judge.
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There is no real danger in being high and driving, in fact there were some studies that showed pot to tend to cause people to drive more safely, in contrast to alcohol.
yeah, driving stoned is safer than driving drunk. it's not safer than driving sober, and no study has ever suggested otherwise.
driving stoned is irresponsible drug use. it's not victimless; it puts others in danger, and it's the sort of behavior the anti-drug crowd grabs onto to justify continued prohibition.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Delinquentes]
#5327353 - 02/22/06 08:16 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I AM saying that it's not for you to judge.
i and people i care about drive on the same roads as people who drive impaired. it is certainly for me to judge.
don't get my wrong, i love cannabis, and i have no problem at all with people smoking it. but why can't you wait until you get home? are you that much of a fiend that you need to light up as soon as you get off work? have some consideration for other people on the road.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Delinquentes]
#5327372 - 02/22/06 08:36 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Driving while under the influence of cannabis not only recklessly endangers other people, it also gives fuel to anti-drug protestors, and gives drug use in general a bad image.
There is absolutely no excuse for driving while impaired. It's irresponsible and massively selfish.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
#5327583 - 02/22/06 10:49 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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You guys take this whole thing of protecting the "image of the drug user" thing way too far.
That's a contridiction in terms anyway, since when does drug use have anything at all to do with maintaining an "image" elitist BS?
So, answer me this. I'm high all the time. All day every day. So I guess that means I should never ever drive eh?
Well, I'll quit driving, as soon as everyone else quits drinking coffee and driving, that's a drug too.
Also, please refrain from smoking tobacco too, handling burning objects while operating a motor vehicle is dangerous.
And I expect every driver to do a complete bumper to bumper safety check on their vehicle each time they plan on getting behind the wheel. Very selfish if they dont.
Oh, and to the 95% of you that are speeding, slow the fuck down. You might hit a stoner like me who is driving slowly and cautiously.
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> Well, I'll quit driving, as soon as everyone else quits drinking coffee and driving, that's a drug too.
The single most stupid analogy I have heard on these forums. Coffee is not a drug, any more than a cigarette is a drug. Coffee contains many substances (drugs), including caffeine, but none of these substances impair ones ability to safely operate heavy machinery at normal active dosages. If you cannot see the difference between the effects of coffee and the effects of cannabis on ones mental abilities, then you have got some serious mental issues and need to lay off the crack pipe for a while.
You entire post can be summarized as: "People do a lot of dangerous stuff while driving, so I will be dangerous too."
It all boils down to "impairment" while driving. If drinking coffee impairs my ability to drive, then I shouldn't be drinking coffee while I am driving. Same goes for eating food, talking on the cell phone, putting on makeup, reading the paper, or driving under the influence of a mind altering substance. It doesn't matter what it is, if it impairs ones ability to drive, then one shouldn't be doing it and driving at the same time, period.
> And I expect every driver to do a complete bumper to bumper safety check on their vehicle each time they plan on getting behind the wheel.
Again, a stupid expectation. If I knowingly drive a car that is not fit to be driven, then I am being negligent towards other drivers. This is no different than if I knowingly drive a car while impaired.
Do you expect somebody to get a blood test to ensure that no "drugs" are in their system before they get into a car? Why then, would you expect a person to do a bumper to bumper safety check on their car every time they prepare to drive? I know if I am impaired the same way I know if my car is unsafe.
> Oh, and to the 95% of you that are speeding, slow the fuck down. You might hit a stoner like me who is driving slowly and cautiously.
They only appear to be speeding because you are stoned. A slow driver can cause an accident accident as easily as a speeding driver.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Seuss]
#5330955 - 02/23/06 09:19 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, if you can't accept the personal responsibility of driving without saying "I'll drive safer right after everyone else does" You shouldn't be allowed to drive at all. Your goal should be making the road as safe a place as you can, not getting away with as much as you can by rationalizing your way out of it. Take some fucking responsibility.
You nearly got caught, and majorly fucked. Yet the moral of the story is check your license plate tags? If only you *were* caught, maybe it would knock some sense into you. Then again, judging by your posts, it probably wouldn't.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5330975 - 02/23/06 09:25 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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> Then again, judging by your posts, it probably wouldn't.
I hate it when I forget to change the "reply to"...
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I care about "the image of drug use" because drugs having a bad image is a large part of the reason they're illegal. Drug users who are irresponsible with the safety of others indirectly contribute to me not being legally allowed to take drugs myself.
If a person smokes weed and then crashes their car or hits someone, because their reaction time reduced, it's fuels the image that weed is bad for society, and helps prevent considerate weed-smokers from being able to smoke the drug legally.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
#5331133 - 02/23/06 10:32 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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^^^^^
If a person smokes weed and then crashes their car or hits someone, regardless of the cause, it's fuels the ...
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Seuss]
#5331951 - 02/23/06 02:36 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's the second time that has happened recently. doh.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Seuss]
#5335521 - 02/24/06 05:03 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't you people realize that they will continually make drug users sound bad even if we never do anything wrong.
It's called a "lie".
Driving a car is dangerous, period. Me being high does not make me crash.
I know a dude where I wouldn't get into a car with him unless he had 2-3 beers.
Things are not always as they seem.
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Great, they'll do what they can to make us look bad. But why FEED them? Why on earth would you contribute to that? And why the hell wouldn't you take precautions that are so easy to do? There's tons of stupid shit I could do on the road and say, "Someone else is doing something worse, no big deal." but why don't you take some damn individual responsibility?
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That is an utterly ridiculous argument. I have a friend who routinely drives while totally drunk. In his opinion, being drunk doesn't impair his ability to drive. Should I accept his opinion? Or should I instead rely on impartial conclusions reached by scientific testing that alcohol use impairs the ability of a person to drive safely?
And yes, people lie about the affects of drug use on people and on society, but rational people tend to be swayed more by actual statistics (number of people arrested for driving while under the influence of an illegal drug) than by supposition and fabrication (using drugs makes you more likely to be a communist).
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5337853 - 02/25/06 12:18 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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All I'm saying is that I don't believe that MJ messes up your ability to drive any more than a lot of things.
You cannot be a 100% safe driver all the time. The world is set up in such a way that you must drive if you want the same things everyone else has.
This means that people everywhere will drive when they are tired, stoned, drunk, on the phone, speed etc. etc.
I have crashed a car driving tired before, I wish I was driving high instead that day.
I am firmly against driving drunk, but driving high seems to me to be about the same as driving with bare feet. You know you really shouldn't do it, but it's probably not going to matter.
Just like if you had a bona-fide scrip for Valium and took it twice a day or something, people like that still drive. the bottle says: "Use care when operating dangerous machinery."
So the government tells us that we should "use care" when driving on Valium.
And I say again, that I would rather drive among stoned, thinking drivers than Valium zombies, wouldn't you?
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Microcosmatrix said: There is no real danger in being high and driving, in fact there were some studies that showed pot to tend to cause people to drive more safely, in contrast to alcohol.
drinking and driving is safer than loading a glock and pulling the trigger with the barrel in your mouth, lots of accidents happen when people are stoned, many more happen when they're drinking, are drugs a factor in the accident, YES because you were under the influence at the time, I wonder if the studies you cited actualy portrayed real life scenarios like people trying to light the pipe while they're driving
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Microcosmatrix said: Driving a car is dangerous, period. Me being high does not make me crash.
but it can be a contributing factor
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I know a dude where I wouldn't get into a car with him unless he had 2-3 beers.
I wouldnt be getting in the car with him at all, if he's unsafe sober, he certainly snt safe when drinking
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5338183 - 02/25/06 02:38 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Microcosmatrix said: Driving a car is dangerous, period. Me being high does not make me crash.
but it can be a contributing factor
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I know a dude where I wouldn't get into a car with him unless he had 2-3 beers.
I wouldnt be getting in the car with him at all, if he's unsafe sober, he certainly snt safe when drinking
Haha it's yet another pris#1 patented trademark line-by-line breakdown! Let's battle!
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but it can be a contributing factor
It doesn't contribute to anything if I never crash while high.
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I wouldnt be getting in the car with him at all, if he's unsafe sober, he certainly snt safe when drinking
Some people have the shakes when they don't have a few beers. Again real life situations occur. If your boss is a drunk and he's your ride to work.
Is it a gamble? Of course it is, but so is being born my friend.
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There's no point in saying something is safe because it's relatively safe to other stupid shit people do. It's something you can easily do to make the road a safer place, and you're selfish to do otherwise.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5339139 - 02/25/06 08:28 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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So no one here ever drives when they're high? Let's have a little anonymous poll and see..
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I dont drive when I'm high, it's stupid and can contribute to accidents not to mention that when cops smell weed on you it gives them probable cause
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5339371 - 02/25/06 09:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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"So no one here ever drives when they're high? Let's have a little anonymous poll and see.."
Please add "I give a shit about safety on the road." option on your biased poll. thanks.
You're again avoiding the point by making it clear that lots of people do the same dangerous things as you. We know that already.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5339560 - 02/25/06 10:31 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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You guys must be from Utah because you sure are saintly.
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You set your standards far too low.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5339984 - 02/26/06 01:55 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I won't smoke while driving because 1.) I am not sure about my driving capabilities while intoxicated 2.) I don't want to be pulled over and have the cop smell smoke 3.) I can wait until I get home before I smoke.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Redstorm]
#5340276 - 02/26/06 07:47 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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WOT!!!
a responsible pot smoker?
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5340343 - 02/26/06 08:46 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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elgr said: You set your standards far too low.
So, how long do you wait after smoking pot before you'll drive?
If you smoke a joint in the morning, will you drive in the afternoon?
Where do you draw the line?
If I'm SUPER STONED I dont drive.
But if I smoke a couple of hits and I just have a small buzz I never think twice about driving because I know I'm not really impaired.
I weighed the consequences and found them to be trivial.
Not once in my entire life have I ever heard someone say "Hey, you're too high to drive, gimme the keys".
This just seems ridiculous and petty to me. It's easy to talk all saintly online, but in practice I wonder how many people get high during the day and also drive during the day?
Plenty of Shroomerites do, because it's not the big deal you guys are making it out to be. You're just saying all this to promote your "saintly stoner" images.
I'm a realist, I deal with life as it really is.
edit: And as far as getting high in the car that's a completely seperate issue which deals not as much with road safety as it does with legal security.
I usually don't get high in the car, but since the penalty for pot (under 1oz) where I am is just a fine, unless I have something else in the car I have been known to smoke a joint from time to time going down the road.
Hey, at least I'm honest.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
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elgr said: "So no one here ever drives when they're high? Let's have a little anonymous poll and see.."
Please add "I give a shit about safety on the road." option on your biased poll. thanks.
You're again avoiding the point by making it clear that lots of people do the same dangerous things as you. We know that already.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
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"Where do you draw the line?
If I'm SUPER STONED I dont drive.
But if I smoke a couple of hits and I just have a small buzz I never think twice about driving because I know I'm not really impaired"
Well, good. You weren't really making yourself clear before. Of course there' a line. And if you're putting good effort to know where that line is, it's a totally different matter.
"I'm a realist, I deal with life as it really is." Life is what you make of it, especially in situations like this. You're in control of the decision, it doesn't just happen.
"You're just saying all this to promote your "saintly stoner" images." You're again ignoring the fact that some people care about road safety. True, some also care about the negative image associated with marijuana. By replacing the word "responsible" with "saintly" you do a good job of stirring up a neat dramatic effect.
"edit: And as far as getting high in the car that's a completely seperate issue which deals not as much with road safety as it does with legal security."
Well, that's what the thread was initially all about. I'd say it deals with both.
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Microcosmatrix said: But if I smoke a couple of hits and I just have a small buzz I never think twice about driving because I know I'm not really impaired.
people that drink and drive swear they arent impaired as well, yet you admit that smoking a little does in fact give you a buzz which is in fact a mild intoxication
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This just seems ridiculous and petty to me. It's easy to talk all saintly online, but in practice I wonder how many people get high during the day and also drive during the day?
who's talking saintly asside from you, we're talking about 'responsible'
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Plenty of Shroomerites do, because it's not the big deal you guys are making it out to be. You're just saying all this to promote your "saintly stoner" images.
so just because everyone is doing it it's the proper thing to do, I bet that must hold true for killing innocent people by shooting up fast food joints and shopping malls, "but officer, everyone else is doing it"
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edit: And as far as getting high in the car that's a completely seperate issue which deals not as much with road safety as it does with legal security.
Hey, at least I'm honest.
lighting a pipe in the car is dangerous, especialy at night when you sustain a momentary moment of blindness, it requires 2 hands to light most of them now. your non-safety issue doesnt hold water.
you're also misguided and irresponsible, thats two against one
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
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BTW, the reason I use the term "saintly" is because through the years of reading post after post of stoners claiming to excercise waaaaay more restraint than I see every day in the real life stoners and Shroomerites that I know, it just gives me the same impression.
"Saintly image" means talking a much higher talk than is realistic for people to actually walk in real life, and then judging others based on their performance.
This sort of thing usually just ends up creating a well-oiled, (cooperative among themselves) group of hypocrites and liars that uphold this golden image they created, talk plenty, and then don't even walk that same walk themselves, but walk much like everbody else anyway.
The lesson? Give people a break and quit trying to make everyone else conform.
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""Saintly image" means talking a much higher talk than is realistic for people to actually walk in real life, and then judging others based on their performance."
Okay, but there's nothing unrealistic about not smoking while high. A "saintly" pro legalization person, for instance, might never ever smoke pot until the day it's legalized for the purpose of marijuana fans being regarded as respectful of the law. That would be unrealistic.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
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In a perfect world, no-one would drive high..
Never driving while high is unrealistic for most of us though I think.
Have you ever driven over to pick up a bag at someone else's pad and they lit up a joint? What did you do? Did you smoke it or did you say "Sorry man, but I never drive a car high and you should know better than to even offer."?
I have never seen someone turn down weed because of driving. Alcohol yes, weed no.
This forum seems to be the only place where people who never drive high even exist. That's all I'm saying.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Redstorm]
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I wasn't talking about you though Red, I wasn't talking about anyone in particular. What I said was more of a cautionary post.
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Microcosmatrix said: Have you ever driven over to pick up a bag at someone else's pad and they lit up a joint? What did you do? Did you smoke it or did you say "Sorry man, but I never drive a car high and you should know better than to even offer."?
as a matter of fact, I say "no thanks, I've gotta drive"
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I have never seen someone turn down weed because of driving. Alcohol yes, weed no.
could be the class of people you hang out with, I have many friends that turn it down whether they're driving or not, they tend to smoke at home.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Prisoner#1]
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"as a matter of fact, I say "no thanks, I've gotta drive""
Indeed.
I think the crowd has a lot to do with it. I know a lot of stoners who feel a need to be high 24/7. That's fine and all, but you should give up certain privileges like driving a car, or just stop smoking for a while. It really isn't asking much of you.
The only barriers are the ones you setup yourself. If you think it's unrealistic, it's only because you refuse to believe otherwise (quite possibly as a defense mechanism to avoid the feeling of guilt).
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
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I've enjoyed this thread immensely.
The only thing that I will add here is this:
In better than ten (10) years, I have not peen pulled over, or cited, or had ANY accidents. I have the uber-premium insurance policy and am an excellent driver. I have avoided no less than 3 accidents in the same 10 years. I used to be high all the time.....day in and day out.
It's not the drugs that cause accidents, it's the shitty drivers using them.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Delinquentes]
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You're defending yourself like being able to drive whilst stoned is a personal liberty. It's not. If you want to drive your car on a piece of land that you own, I don't care if you're stoned, hell, I don't care if you're smoking crack. If you drive on a public highway, then it's everyone's problem.
And no, I don't consider not driving whilst stoned "saintly" - I don't even consider it laudable. I consider it to be the bare minimum of consideration for other people I would expect from a socially health person. In other words, I would never applaud someone for refusing weed because they're driving, I would absolutely expect them to.
It's hardly "saintly" to forgoe a minor, insignificant level of personal enjoyment for a reduced chance of a serious road accident, and the tragedy that can cause.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
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Should I be able to ride my bike stoned then? WTF is a stoner supposed to do to get around? Fucking city bus? Fuck that, and what if you live out in the country where there's no bus and hardly anyone on the back roads?
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While I will agree that driving while high is not exactly "saintly" it hardly deserves to be judged sanctimoniously.
Long ago, in a land not so far away, there used to be a little thing my parents instilled in me. Personal responsibility. That trait is severely lacking in this world.
Of course you would argue that my past choices were hardly responsible, and that is your prerogative. I still stand by my driving record. I can think of no lees than 4 of my family members and friends who do NOT smoke and are terrible drivers. My sister scares me to DEATH when she gets behind the wheel of a car. She is the type to drive with a knee while coifing her mane of hair and maintaining a full-on cell phone conversation....all the while doing 90 or better on a highway.
Whose safer? Who's to say?
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Delinquentes]
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I'm totally baffled
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Should I be able to ride my bike stoned then? WTF is a stoner supposed to do to get around? Fucking city bus? Fuck that, and what if you live out in the country where there's no bus and hardly anyone on the back roads?
When did it become my problem if you can't get around when you're stoned? You chose to smoke weed, it's your responsibility to ensure you can travel around safely and without putting others at risk.
This is exactly what I mean about feeding the negative image of weed - you're presenting a view of the world where smoking weed to totally incompatible with not putting others at risk. When anti-drug activists argue that legalising cannabis would increase road accidents, it's statements like that they point to.
Personally, I think that smoking weed is compatible with people being safe, and that's why I'm adamant that people take personal responsibility for their drug use, because it's the only way in which we might ever get towards a society where people aren't imprisoned for executing freedom of choice.
Freedom of choice only works if your decisions don't put others at risk, and that's why I hate people driving under the influence of drugs. They undermine the legitimacy of claiming people have a right to take drugs if they want to.
So yeah, if you have to get the bus, get the damn bus, or don't smoke if you can't do it without endangering other people.
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My sister scares me to DEATH when she gets behind the wheel of a car. She is the type to drive with a knee while coifing her mane of hair and maintaining a full-on cell phone conversation....all the while doing 90 or better on a highway.
Whose safer? Who's to say?
What has that got to do with driving stoned? Why does one person driving driving dangerously justify another person driving dangerously?
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
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When anti-drug activists argue that legalising cannabis would increase road accidents, it's statements like that they point to.
I got news for the "anti-drug activists", prohibition didn't stop anything.
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www.norml.org/index.cfm=3fGroup_ID=3d4369
You people need to stop believing propaganda.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Sinthetic]
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fix dat linkage plz
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
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Here is the correct link: http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4369
> You people need to stop believing propaganda.
You need to read the entire study before using it to back up your claims. The conclusion that you conviently ignored:
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The study's findings follow those of a Harvard study published last month in the Archives of General Psychiatry determining that long-term marijuana smokers who abstain from the drug for one week or more perform identically on cognition tests as nonusers. A previous study on marijuana and cognition by researchers at John Hopkins University in Baltimore found "no significant differences in cognitive decline between heavy users, light users, and nonusers of cannabis" over a 15-year period in a cohort of 1,318 subjects.
I don't think anybody in here would argue that a persons ability to drive is negatively impacted a week after they have stopped smoking.
And in case the conclusion isn't enough, lets take the intro:
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"Although marijuana significantly increased the number of premature responses and the time participants required to complete several tasks, it had no effect on accuracy on measures of cognitive flexibility, mental calculation, and reasoning," researchers concluded.
In other words, it made them slow and jumpy, but didn't effect their ability to know what was happening... not the best combination to have when driving heavy machinery on public roads.
> Why does one person driving driving dangerously justify another person driving dangerously?
That has been the entire argument from the start. Go back and look at one of my original replies... I said the exact same thing. Excellent post, Odiumjunkie.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Seuss]
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Well, while we're at it...
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6496
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Although marijuana intoxication has been shown to mildly impair psychomotor skills, this impairment does not appear to be severe or long lasting.
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This impairment does not appear to play a significant role in on-road traffic accidents when THC levels in a driver's blood are low and/or THC is not consumed in combination with alcohol.
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it is apparent that cannabis' adverse on-road impact is hardly so great as to warrant the passage and enforcement of "zero tolerance"
Which is exactly what you guys have, ZERO TOLERANCE
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No, zero-tolerance would be not allowing people to drive with residual levels of THC in their blood.
Sensible-tolerance is not allowing people to drive while smoking weed/just after smoking weed.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
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Sensible tolerance is allowing people to get high and drive. The report even said that pot's effect on driving is trivial, like a lot of other legal medicines.
If you insist on people not driving while high, you're going to have to also insist on people not driving after ingesting any medicines. That includes Valium, Codiene, Xanax, Soma, and thousands of others.
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I take codeine, morphine and pethidine on a regular basis, and yes, I wouldn't drive while on any of them.
And we're once again back on "other people drive dangerously, so why can't I?". Aside from the fact that people tend to take medical drugs because they need to rather than because they want to, yeah, I agree with you, if you're taking a drug that impairs your ability to drive, you shouldn't drive. Many such medicines carry instructions to that effect.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
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Yes but there are many people who take Cannabis for its medicinal value. These people should be legally allowed to drive, if Valium, Codeine etc. etc. users are legally allowed to drive their cars.
And whether a drug is ingested medicinally or recreationally makes no difference to road safety at all, either it's safe or it isn't safe.
It's a double standard, not "other people drive dangerously, so why can't I?".
Pick a policy and enforce it across the board. Quit discriminating against cannabis just because it's Cannabis.
There are varying degrees of tolerance. You cannot be a perfectly safe driver. Tolerances must exist to allow anyone to drive at all. We allow some things which do not drastically affect road safety, just like a certain percentage of Arsenic is allowable in your tap water, and a certain percentage of rodent feces is allowable in the packaged food products you eat.
That's why it says "Use care when operating dangerous machinery" on Valium bottles, rather than "You may not operate..."...
So that Congressmen can still drive their cars using the drugs that they like, while they spread misinformation exaggerating the danger of operating a motor vehicle on Cannabis that they don't like.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: SleepAid]
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Yes but there are many people who take Cannabis for its medicinal value. These people should be legally allowed to drive, if Valium, Codeine etc. etc. users are legally allowed to drive their cars.
Right back to the "other people do dangerous stuff that may accidently kill somebody, so damnit, I have every right in the world to do dangerous stuff that might kill somebody" argument.
However, you do bring up an excellent point... Driving under the influence should be determined by ones abilities to drive, not by some magic number based upon a substance. It doesn't matter if I am on a legal prescription or an illegal drug, if my abilities are impaired, I should not be driving, period.
> Which is exactly what you guys have, ZERO TOLERANCE
Correct. I have ZERO TOLERANCE for you putting my life at risk. You want to get home. I want to live. You seem to think you have the right to risk my life so that you can get home when you want. It certainly won't kill you to wait an hour after you smoked that last joint before you drive, but it may kill me if you don't.
My zero tolerance is for people that are driving while under the influence. I am not talking about somebody that smoked yesterday, or even an hour ago. I am talking about somebody that is blazing in their car while driving, or that hops in their car immediately after smoking. Driving in such a state is irresponsible. The same can be said about people driving on legal prescriptions, driving while reading the paper, or driving and talking on the cell phone. I don't care what it is, if it impairs my ability to drive, then I shouldn't be driving. Even if the impairment is only a little bit...if I kill somebody, I guess they would only be a little dead. 
... and for a peak at next weeks reply, "It is no more dangerous to drive stoned than to drive while blitz on xanax... and since I seem to think it is legal to drive on xanax, I will continue to drive stoned. If you don't like the idea of me driving stoned with you on the road, then don't drive, cause I don't care if I kill somebody or not, I have the right to do whatever the hell I want... and don't think I am giving a bad name to drug users, we are all immature irresponsible snobs that care only about getting high and getting home. People die all the time. What is the big deal if I accidently kill a few?"
A bit tongue in cheek, but that is how the justifications sound to me.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Seuss]
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No, it's just that based on personal experience, I really don't think pot impairs your ability to drive safely. What the fuck, it mellows you out, and expands your attention.
I think they're just playing it up to have something else to say against Marijuanna, and you're playing right into their bullshit.
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Microcosmatrix said: I really don't think pot impairs your ability to drive safely. What the fuck, it mellows you out, and expands your attention.
scientific studies indicate otherwise, my experience also tells me you're incorrect.
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I think they're just playing it up to have something else to say against Marijuanna, and you're playing right into their bullshit.
I think you're just trying to justify potentialy dangerous and criminal behavior
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Prisoner#1]
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Microcosmatrix said: I really don't think pot impairs your ability to drive safely. What the fuck, it mellows you out, and expands your attention.
scientific studies indicate otherwise, my experience also tells me you're incorrect.
Other scientific studies indicate otherwise to those ( probably U.S. funded) studies you mentioned. And my experience tells me you're incorrect, so what now cry cat?
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I think you're just trying to justify potentialy dangerous and criminal behavior
Dangerous says you. Criminal? well, I think we all know by now that calling something criminal doesn't automatically make it wrong.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Prisoner#1]
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That was the last word by the way in case you were wondering.
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Personally, I'd rather drive on a road full of stoned people than a road full of jittery coffee-fuelled maniacs :P
I am stoned from the moment I awaken till the moment my head touches the pillow at night. I also drive for roughly 2 hours a day and have been doing so for the last 1 1/2 years, all while stoned. I have never been involved in any kind of incident on the road, nor have I been issued with a fine for speeding or anything of the sort. Meanwhile a good proportion of my sober friends have lost their licences, been involved in both serious and minor crashes or were heavily fined for infringements on the road.
When I don't smoke I find myself more inclined to speed and take risks if it means getting to somewhere on time or something. I'm sorry, but no matter how much you say I'm irresponsible and putting other people at risk I just don't think it's true. I consider myself a much safer driver than most kids my age, and my record to date proves it.
The fact is that if something happens on the road it doesn't matter if you're stoned or not, crashes are going to happen either way.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: BorgFace]
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burn rides dumb cause once my inspection stickerwas expsire for 2 years and i honestly didn't know until a state police officer was yelling in my face so yeah i always smoke a blunt before i drive
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Your logic is impeccable.
1) Everyone else does stupid shit to impair their driving on the road.
2) I drive.
3) Therefore, it doesn't matter if I am impaired as well.
The difference between what you do to impair yourself, and what others do to impair themselves is that the US has declared a bullshit war on marijuana. Saying that you simply wont crash is fucking ridiculous: you couldn't get away with saying that even if you were always sober when driving.
What pisses me off, is that by habitually driving while stoned, you raise your chances of getting into an accident in that state. Even if you were to argue that being stoned doesn't impair you, simply getting into that accident and being added to DUI statistics againist marijuana users makes everyone lose.
I admit I drive stoned occassionally, but I draw the line at where I am noticably impaired and keep it to extremely short distances (ex. no more than 3 or so miles). I try to avoid it.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Jfisher]
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I don't follow that logic you outlined. I don't say "it doesn't matter if I am impaired".
I say pot does not impair you to the point that we need special laws against driving on it. I also say if driving high on pot was so dangerous then how come all my friends arent dead?
It's obviously a trivial matter, maybe dangerous like driving after one beer or driving with bare feet or something. You don't have to be a stone cold sober priest to drive a car, and none of you are either.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Delinquentes]
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Delinquentes said: This day was no different....I packed a bowl and headed out. I was driving on a road getting ready to enter a major highway. I had just taken a huge hit when I saw a cop come past me on the opposite side of a two-lane road, and as a force of habit, I glanced in the rear-view to make sure he kept going. He didn't keep going. He pulled in to a driveway, backed out and came after me.
You deserve to have been caught for smoking and driving.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Delinquentes]
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i didnt read the whole thread, but i have a tip:
if you're going to get high while in a car, dont bring a piece or any extra bud with you. smoke a J or a blunt. that way if you get pulled over, you eat it, and they got nothing on you. that's my rule of thumb atleast.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: nightkrawler]
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I don't know how anyone can drive while high. I get distracted so easily. I would forget that there were traffic lights, and go right on through. I don't think it's half as bad as driving drunk though.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Seuss]
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"My zero tolerance is for people that are driving while under the influence. I am not talking about somebody that smoked yesterday, or even an hour ago. I am talking about somebody that is blazing in their car while driving, or that hops in their car immediately after smoking."
I would consider this more of a danger. At least I know myself well enough to know that when I smoke weed it usually gets me a nice relaxing high for a while and then as the efects begin to wear off somewhere around the 3-4 hour mark I get kind of sleepy, or "burnt out" if you will. This would make me much more likely to crash or fall asleep at the wheel.
People are allowed to drink a certain amount of alcohol or take medications before they drive. Therefore by driving on the road you accept a certain amount of risk caused by intoxicated drivers who are legally entitled to drive in their condition. This makes me feel like your issue is more with the legality of cannabis than with the danger of a stoned driver. ie: I am uncomfortable with people driving vehicles while stoned even though I accept the possibility that by driving I may be killed by a drunk/medicated driver.
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moho456
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Heffy]
#6324462 - 12/01/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago) |
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I stand behind Microcosmatrix. I drive stoned sometimes and let me tell you that I am probably a 100% better driver, and you can take that to the bank. Not only am I cautious as hell, I maintain the speed limit, and road rage (normally very prevalent) is a non-issue.
So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
What with big tobacco and alchol keeping pot illgal, do you think it has anything to do with an "image"? Fuck no you idiot! Plenty of people smoke pot and for every bad thing someone does while they are high someone else invents the next big thing.
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