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OfflineSeussA
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5394314 - 03/13/06 03:58 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes but there are many people who take Cannabis for its medicinal value. These people should be legally allowed to drive, if Valium, Codeine etc. etc. users are legally allowed to drive their cars.




Right back to the "other people do dangerous stuff that may accidently kill somebody, so damnit, I have every right in the world to do dangerous stuff that might kill somebody" argument.

However, you do bring up an excellent point... Driving under the influence should be determined by ones abilities to drive, not by some magic number based upon a substance.  It doesn't matter if I am on a legal prescription or an illegal drug, if my abilities are impaired, I should not be driving, period.

> Which is exactly what you guys have, ZERO TOLERANCE

Correct.  I have ZERO TOLERANCE for you putting my life at risk.  You want to get home.  I want to live.  You seem to think you have the right to risk my life so that you can get home when you want.  It certainly won't kill you to wait an hour after you smoked that last joint before you drive, but it may kill me if you don't.

My zero tolerance is for people that are driving while under the influence.  I am not talking about somebody that smoked yesterday, or even an hour ago.  I am talking about somebody that is blazing in their car while driving, or that hops in their car immediately after smoking.  Driving in such a state is irresponsible.  The same can be said about people driving on legal prescriptions, driving while reading the paper, or driving and talking on the cell phone.  I don't care what it is, if it impairs my ability to drive, then I shouldn't be driving.  Even if the impairment is only a little bit...if I kill somebody, I guess they would only be a little dead.  :rolleyes:

... and for a peak at next weeks reply, "It is no more dangerous to drive stoned than to drive while blitz on xanax... and since I seem to think it is legal to drive on xanax, I will continue to drive stoned.  If you don't like the idea of me driving stoned with you on the road, then don't drive, cause I don't care if I kill somebody or not, I have the right to do whatever the hell I want... and don't think I am giving a bad name to drug users, we are all immature irresponsible snobs that care only about getting high and getting home.  People die all the time.  What is the big deal if I accidently kill a few?"

A bit tongue in cheek, but that is how the justifications sound to me.


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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Seuss]
    #5394609 - 03/13/06 09:19 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

No, it's just that based on personal experience, I really don't think pot impairs your ability to drive safely. What the fuck, it mellows you out, and expands your attention.

I think they're just playing it up to have something else to say against Marijuanna, and you're playing right into their bullshit.


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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5399760 - 03/14/06 04:14 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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Microcosmatrix said:
I really don't think pot impairs your ability to drive safely. What the fuck, it mellows you out, and expands your attention.




scientific studies indicate otherwise, my experience also tells me you're incorrect.

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I think they're just playing it up to have something else to say against Marijuanna, and you're playing right into their bullshit.




I think you're just trying to justify potentialy dangerous and criminal behavior

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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5401513 - 03/14/06 10:58 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

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    Microcosmatrix said:
    I really don't think pot impairs your ability to drive safely. What the fuck, it mellows you out, and expands your attention.



scientific studies indicate otherwise, my experience also tells me you're incorrect.




Other scientific studies indicate otherwise to those ( probably U.S. funded) studies you mentioned. And my experience tells me you're incorrect, so what now cry cat?

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I think you're just trying to justify potentialy dangerous and criminal behavior




Dangerous says you. Criminal? well, I think we all know by now that calling something criminal doesn't automatically make it wrong. :rolleyes:


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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #5401584 - 03/14/06 11:21 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

That was the last word by the way in case you were wondering.


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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5465817 - 03/31/06 11:06 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Personally, I'd rather drive on a road full of stoned people than a road full of jittery coffee-fuelled maniacs :P

I am stoned from the moment I awaken till the moment my head touches the pillow at night. I also drive for roughly 2 hours a day and have been doing so for the last 1 1/2 years, all while stoned. I have never been involved in any kind of incident on the road, nor have I been issued with a fine for speeding or anything of the sort. Meanwhile a good proportion of my sober friends have lost their licences, been involved in both serious and minor crashes or were heavily fined for infringements on the road.

When I don't smoke I find myself more inclined to speed and take risks if it means getting to somewhere on time or something. I'm sorry, but no matter how much you say I'm irresponsible and putting other people at risk I just don't think it's true. I consider myself a much safer driver than most kids my age, and my record to date proves it.

The fact is that if something happens on the road it doesn't matter if you're stoned or not, crashes are going to happen either way.


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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: BorgFace]
    #5466767 - 04/01/06 08:25 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

burn rides dumb cause once my inspection stickerwas expsire for 2 years and i honestly didn't know until a state police officer was yelling in my face so yeah i always smoke a blunt before i drive

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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Microcosmatrix]
    #5524381 - 04/17/06 11:16 AM (18 years, 1 month ago)

Your logic is impeccable.

1) Everyone else does stupid shit to impair their driving on the road.

2) I drive.

3) Therefore, it doesn't matter if I am impaired as well.

The difference between what you do to impair yourself, and what others do to impair themselves is that the US has declared a bullshit war on marijuana. Saying that you simply wont crash is fucking ridiculous: you couldn't get away with saying that even if you were always sober when driving.

What pisses me off, is that by habitually driving while stoned, you raise your chances of getting into an accident in that state. Even if you were to argue that being stoned doesn't impair you, simply getting into that accident and being added to DUI statistics againist marijuana users makes everyone lose.

I admit I drive stoned occassionally, but I draw the line at where I am noticably impaired and keep it to extremely short distances (ex. no more than 3 or so miles). I try to avoid it.


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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Jfisher]
    #5524792 - 04/17/06 12:48 PM (18 years, 1 month ago)

I don't follow that logic you outlined. I don't say "it doesn't matter if I am impaired".

I say pot does not impair you to the point that we need special laws against driving on it. I also say if driving high on pot was so dangerous then how come all my friends arent dead?

It's obviously a trivial matter, maybe dangerous like driving after one beer or driving with bare feet or something. You don't have to be a stone cold sober priest to drive a car, and none of you are either.


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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Delinquentes]
    #6222255 - 10/28/06 10:11 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

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Delinquentes said:
This day was no different....I packed a bowl and headed out. I was driving on a road getting ready to enter a major highway. I had just taken a huge hit when I saw a cop come past me on the opposite side of a two-lane road, and as a force of habit, I glanced in the rear-view to make sure he kept going. He didn't keep going. He pulled in to a driveway, backed out and came after me.





You deserve to have been caught for smoking and driving.


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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Delinquentes]
    #6233112 - 10/31/06 09:35 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

i didnt read the whole thread, but i have a tip:

if you're going to get high while in a car, dont bring a piece or any extra bud with you. smoke a J or a blunt. that way if you get pulled over, you eat it, and they got nothing on you. that's my rule of thumb atleast.


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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: nightkrawler]
    #6233274 - 10/31/06 10:16 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

I don't know how anyone can drive while high. I get distracted so easily. I would forget that there were traffic lights, and go right on through. I don't think it's half as bad as driving drunk though.

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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Seuss]
    #6270607 - 11/10/06 10:34 PM (17 years, 6 months ago)

"My zero tolerance is for people that are driving while under the influence. I am not talking about somebody that smoked yesterday, or even an hour ago. I am talking about somebody that is blazing in their car while driving, or that hops in their car immediately after smoking."

I would consider this more of a danger. At least I know myself well enough to know that when I smoke weed it usually gets me a nice relaxing high for a while and then as the efects begin to wear off somewhere around the 3-4 hour mark I get kind of sleepy, or "burnt out" if you will. This would make me much more likely to crash or fall asleep at the wheel.

People are allowed to drink a certain amount of alcohol or take medications before they drive. Therefore by driving on the road you accept a certain amount of risk caused by intoxicated drivers who are legally entitled to drive in their condition. This makes me feel like your issue is more with the legality of cannabis than with the danger of a stoned driver. ie: I am uncomfortable with people driving vehicles while stoned even though I accept the possibility that by driving I may be killed by a drunk/medicated driver.


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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Heffy]
    #6324462 - 12/01/06 01:54 PM (17 years, 5 months ago)

I stand behind Microcosmatrix. I drive stoned sometimes and let me tell you that I am probably a 100% better driver, and you can take that to the bank. Not only am I cautious as hell, I maintain the speed limit, and road rage (normally very prevalent) is a non-issue.

So put that in your pipe and smoke it.

What with big tobacco and alchol keeping pot illgal, do you think it has anything to do with an "image"? Fuck no you idiot! Plenty of people smoke pot and for every bad thing someone does while they are high someone else invents the next big thing.


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