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Microcosmatrix
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Redstorm]
#5350903 - 02/28/06 08:19 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wasn't talking about you though Red, I wasn't talking about anyone in particular. What I said was more of a cautionary post.
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Microcosmatrix said: Have you ever driven over to pick up a bag at someone else's pad and they lit up a joint? What did you do? Did you smoke it or did you say "Sorry man, but I never drive a car high and you should know better than to even offer."?
as a matter of fact, I say "no thanks, I've gotta drive"
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I have never seen someone turn down weed because of driving. Alcohol yes, weed no.
could be the class of people you hang out with, I have many friends that turn it down whether they're driving or not, they tend to smoke at home.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5353417 - 03/01/06 12:35 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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"as a matter of fact, I say "no thanks, I've gotta drive""
Indeed.
I think the crowd has a lot to do with it. I know a lot of stoners who feel a need to be high 24/7. That's fine and all, but you should give up certain privileges like driving a car, or just stop smoking for a while. It really isn't asking much of you.
The only barriers are the ones you setup yourself. If you think it's unrealistic, it's only because you refuse to believe otherwise (quite possibly as a defense mechanism to avoid the feeling of guilt).
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Koala Koolio]
#5364058 - 03/04/06 09:48 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've enjoyed this thread immensely.
The only thing that I will add here is this:
In better than ten (10) years, I have not peen pulled over, or cited, or had ANY accidents. I have the uber-premium insurance policy and am an excellent driver. I have avoided no less than 3 accidents in the same 10 years. I used to be high all the time.....day in and day out.
It's not the drugs that cause accidents, it's the shitty drivers using them.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Delinquentes]
#5364349 - 03/04/06 11:41 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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/me snickers
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You're defending yourself like being able to drive whilst stoned is a personal liberty. It's not. If you want to drive your car on a piece of land that you own, I don't care if you're stoned, hell, I don't care if you're smoking crack. If you drive on a public highway, then it's everyone's problem.
And no, I don't consider not driving whilst stoned "saintly" - I don't even consider it laudable. I consider it to be the bare minimum of consideration for other people I would expect from a socially health person. In other words, I would never applaud someone for refusing weed because they're driving, I would absolutely expect them to.
It's hardly "saintly" to forgoe a minor, insignificant level of personal enjoyment for a reduced chance of a serious road accident, and the tragedy that can cause.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
#5367334 - 03/05/06 01:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Should I be able to ride my bike stoned then? WTF is a stoner supposed to do to get around? Fucking city bus? Fuck that, and what if you live out in the country where there's no bus and hardly anyone on the back roads?
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While I will agree that driving while high is not exactly "saintly" it hardly deserves to be judged sanctimoniously.
Long ago, in a land not so far away, there used to be a little thing my parents instilled in me. Personal responsibility. That trait is severely lacking in this world.
Of course you would argue that my past choices were hardly responsible, and that is your prerogative. I still stand by my driving record. I can think of no lees than 4 of my family members and friends who do NOT smoke and are terrible drivers. My sister scares me to DEATH when she gets behind the wheel of a car. She is the type to drive with a knee while coifing her mane of hair and maintaining a full-on cell phone conversation....all the while doing 90 or better on a highway.
Whose safer? Who's to say?
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Delinquentes]
#5370119 - 03/06/06 08:35 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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I'm totally baffled
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Should I be able to ride my bike stoned then? WTF is a stoner supposed to do to get around? Fucking city bus? Fuck that, and what if you live out in the country where there's no bus and hardly anyone on the back roads?
When did it become my problem if you can't get around when you're stoned? You chose to smoke weed, it's your responsibility to ensure you can travel around safely and without putting others at risk.
This is exactly what I mean about feeding the negative image of weed - you're presenting a view of the world where smoking weed to totally incompatible with not putting others at risk. When anti-drug activists argue that legalising cannabis would increase road accidents, it's statements like that they point to.
Personally, I think that smoking weed is compatible with people being safe, and that's why I'm adamant that people take personal responsibility for their drug use, because it's the only way in which we might ever get towards a society where people aren't imprisoned for executing freedom of choice.
Freedom of choice only works if your decisions don't put others at risk, and that's why I hate people driving under the influence of drugs. They undermine the legitimacy of claiming people have a right to take drugs if they want to.
So yeah, if you have to get the bus, get the damn bus, or don't smoke if you can't do it without endangering other people.
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My sister scares me to DEATH when she gets behind the wheel of a car. She is the type to drive with a knee while coifing her mane of hair and maintaining a full-on cell phone conversation....all the while doing 90 or better on a highway.
Whose safer? Who's to say?
What has that got to do with driving stoned? Why does one person driving driving dangerously justify another person driving dangerously?
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
#5370327 - 03/06/06 10:15 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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When anti-drug activists argue that legalising cannabis would increase road accidents, it's statements like that they point to.
I got news for the "anti-drug activists", prohibition didn't stop anything.
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www.norml.org/index.cfm=3fGroup_ID=3d4369
You people need to stop believing propaganda.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Sinthetic]
#5372850 - 03/06/06 11:23 PM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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fix dat linkage plz
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
#5373321 - 03/07/06 04:13 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Here is the correct link: http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=4369
> You people need to stop believing propaganda.
You need to read the entire study before using it to back up your claims. The conclusion that you conviently ignored:
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The study's findings follow those of a Harvard study published last month in the Archives of General Psychiatry determining that long-term marijuana smokers who abstain from the drug for one week or more perform identically on cognition tests as nonusers. A previous study on marijuana and cognition by researchers at John Hopkins University in Baltimore found "no significant differences in cognitive decline between heavy users, light users, and nonusers of cannabis" over a 15-year period in a cohort of 1,318 subjects.
I don't think anybody in here would argue that a persons ability to drive is negatively impacted a week after they have stopped smoking.
And in case the conclusion isn't enough, lets take the intro:
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"Although marijuana significantly increased the number of premature responses and the time participants required to complete several tasks, it had no effect on accuracy on measures of cognitive flexibility, mental calculation, and reasoning," researchers concluded.
In other words, it made them slow and jumpy, but didn't effect their ability to know what was happening... not the best combination to have when driving heavy machinery on public roads.
> Why does one person driving driving dangerously justify another person driving dangerously?
That has been the entire argument from the start. Go back and look at one of my original replies... I said the exact same thing. Excellent post, Odiumjunkie.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: Seuss]
#5373641 - 03/07/06 09:39 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Well, while we're at it...
http://www.norml.org/index.cfm?Group_ID=6496
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Although marijuana intoxication has been shown to mildly impair psychomotor skills, this impairment does not appear to be severe or long lasting.
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This impairment does not appear to play a significant role in on-road traffic accidents when THC levels in a driver's blood are low and/or THC is not consumed in combination with alcohol.
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it is apparent that cannabis' adverse on-road impact is hardly so great as to warrant the passage and enforcement of "zero tolerance"
Which is exactly what you guys have, ZERO TOLERANCE
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No, zero-tolerance would be not allowing people to drive with residual levels of THC in their blood.
Sensible-tolerance is not allowing people to drive while smoking weed/just after smoking weed.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
#5373734 - 03/07/06 10:25 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sensible tolerance is allowing people to get high and drive. The report even said that pot's effect on driving is trivial, like a lot of other legal medicines.
If you insist on people not driving while high, you're going to have to also insist on people not driving after ingesting any medicines. That includes Valium, Codiene, Xanax, Soma, and thousands of others.
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I take codeine, morphine and pethidine on a regular basis, and yes, I wouldn't drive while on any of them.
And we're once again back on "other people drive dangerously, so why can't I?". Aside from the fact that people tend to take medical drugs because they need to rather than because they want to, yeah, I agree with you, if you're taking a drug that impairs your ability to drive, you shouldn't drive. Many such medicines carry instructions to that effect.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: OJK]
#5373809 - 03/07/06 10:56 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes but there are many people who take Cannabis for its medicinal value. These people should be legally allowed to drive, if Valium, Codeine etc. etc. users are legally allowed to drive their cars.
And whether a drug is ingested medicinally or recreationally makes no difference to road safety at all, either it's safe or it isn't safe.
It's a double standard, not "other people drive dangerously, so why can't I?".
Pick a policy and enforce it across the board. Quit discriminating against cannabis just because it's Cannabis.
There are varying degrees of tolerance. You cannot be a perfectly safe driver. Tolerances must exist to allow anyone to drive at all. We allow some things which do not drastically affect road safety, just like a certain percentage of Arsenic is allowable in your tap water, and a certain percentage of rodent feces is allowable in the packaged food products you eat.
That's why it says "Use care when operating dangerous machinery" on Valium bottles, rather than "You may not operate..."...
So that Congressmen can still drive their cars using the drugs that they like, while they spread misinformation exaggerating the danger of operating a motor vehicle on Cannabis that they don't like.
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Smoking and driving really ain't a great idea, mate. You might hit a little girl on a bike.
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Re: A near-miss story and a tip [Re: SleepAid]
#5391320 - 03/12/06 08:49 AM (18 years, 2 months ago) |
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or drown her in a pool
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