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agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!*   1
#532336 - 01/26/02 07:00 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I just noticed I bought agricultural lime. Can this be used in place of the hydrated lime!?!? Im makign my casing RIGHT Now so a reply would be great ASAP!  THANKS!!!!
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 Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: angryshroom] 1
#532339 - 01/26/02 07:06 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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No, hydrated only.
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#532351 - 01/26/02 07:20 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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F*ck... :/
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: angryshroom] 1
#532430 - 01/26/02 09:16 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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We'll I guess the Coco coir will be fine on its own for this casing...Ive got some more jars in the incubator getting ready to case so I;ll use the lime on them. I wonder if it will make much of a difference....
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: angryshroom] 1
#532448 - 01/26/02 09:29 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use agricultural lime, the grey stuff. Just make sure its low in magnesium (check the label). Isn't hydrated lime that caustic stuff?
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: Workman] 1
#532775 - 01/27/02 05:39 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hydrated lime is the proper one to use.
And what is "low" in magnesium?
If you do a search here you will see hydrated lime is the one you want.
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: luvdemshrooms] 1
#532883 - 01/27/02 10:48 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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luvdemshrooms, you want LIMESTONE, which is calcium carbonate aka chalk aka CaCO3 aka agricultural lime, just like Workman said, NOT hydrated lime.
I wouldn?t deny though that hydrated lime used in an not too excessive amount can lead to good results too.
But the more widerly used and recomended is the limestone.
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#532953 - 01/27/02 12:30 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: ralphster44] 1
#532982 - 01/27/02 12:53 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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And what do you think, which is better for you? How about the amounts used?
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: Anno] 1
#532996 - 01/27/02 01:07 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use hydrated and have no probs and very good results.
The only type of lime stone I can get in my area has too much magnesium in it,
so I use hydrated.
Ive seen no detrimental effects in my crops since I started using hydrated,
and it works fine for Ph adjustment though you have to be carefull adding it,
its easy to overadjust using hydrated.
actually working with hydrated is nice, its ground to flour consistancy and mixes easily with dry peat.
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#532997 - 01/27/02 01:07 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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the amounts that I use are 25% hydrated by weight to peat.
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: Anno] 1
#533011 - 01/27/02 01:25 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: angryshroom] 1
#533014 - 01/27/02 01:29 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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i got some of that hydrated horticultural Lime, on the side it says "derived from limestone"
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: CrabTree] 1
#533021 - 01/27/02 01:32 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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>on the side it says "derived from limestone"
Off course.
Read http://scifun.chem.wisc.edu/chemweek/lime/lime.html .
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: Anno] 1
#533115 - 01/27/02 03:34 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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someone earlier said you could use chalk in place of lime. Is this correct?
If so what kind of chalk. Like crayola non colored chalk at walmart.
I have found that nursuries are hard to find open at your local town this time of year.
If I were to use chalk with verm:peat what ratios would be recommended?
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#533116 - 01/27/02 03:37 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey Anno...
Ok this is what my agricultural lime bag says...(on the back)
AGRICULTURAL LIME
"Dolomite lime supplies calcium and magnesium to the soil. It is alkaline reacting and is used to overcome acidity and to sweeten the soil. It should not be used around acid loving plants. "
Calcium = 24.9%
Magnesium = 11.4%
Calcium Carbonate Equivalent = 105%
calcium carbonate = 49%
Magnesium Carbonate = 35.7%
"Derived from Natural Mineral Dolomite"... um Dolomite??!
Is this stuff ok or what?!
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: Anno] 1
#533129 - 01/27/02 03:58 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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The 50/50+ casing tek on this site says "hydrated lime"
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#533165 - 01/27/02 04:42 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah I just read from the TMC that dolomite lime should not be used due to the high magnesium content. The lime should contain less than 2% of magnesium and mostly calcium carbonate....
With the Coco coir, it is a realitivly neutral casing material. You guys think it would be just ok on its own? Im going to take back this dolomite lime and just get the limestone lime.
Another question for anyone... I am using 8" X 3 1/2" X 2 1/2" bread-baking trays for my casing container. I used about 3/4" coco on bottom, 1/2" BRF/verm colonized substrate, and then another 1/2" coco on top. You guys think thats a good idea or what? My substrate is kinda chunky, I didn't know if I should really crumble it up or what. So there is about 1-2" chunks, I hope this will work out for me.
Once I see a few spots of mycelium im going to cold shock it for 12 hours in the fridge and then stick it in the terrarium @ 73 degrees and 95% humidity. All this sound OK?
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: angryshroom] 1
#533490 - 01/27/02 11:10 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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You don't wan't high magnesium, that's it. All sources of lime that aren't high in magnesium are great. The coarser the product, the slower the release. A combination of coarse and fine is the best. Coarser materials, you can add more. Finer materials you add less.
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: ] 1
#533746 - 01/28/02 07:37 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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But then again,
noone actually says what is not high on magnesium. It's a SUBJECTIVE thing to say.
However, stamets recommends 2% or lower. Still I want to know what works. And as I have a hard time finding it, and even harder time obtaining it when it's found, I would really like to know what is what. This should go inte a FAQ.
What's the formula of hydrated lime? Is it NaOH? Or CaO?
Or is it just liquid CaCO3?
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: zilch]
#533800 - 01/28/02 09:45 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: Anno]
#533915 - 01/28/02 11:45 AM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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OK
Well it seems to me that basically what you're going to be using the lime for is to buffer the acidity of the casing layer. In this case, using coco coir, the pH is slightly acidic.
Your trying to find a product which has the potential to buffer the casing layer by making it more alkaline to neutral. However components like Magnesium are detrimental to the production of the mushrooms. What other chemicals are detrimental to the mushrooms?
Do mushrooms like completely neutral conditions or slightly alkaline or slightly acidic? Im thinking about adding a little extra lime on one casing and a little less on another and see which produces more fruits..however if someone knows the answer to that question I'll probably just skip it..
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: angryshroom]
#534012 - 01/28/02 01:16 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Personally I think pH in casings has to do with Growing or Not Growing and, if growing, Contams or Not Contams. Though, my pesky bananafluyes' casings grows just fine with peat/verm, no contams, and peat is quite acidic.
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: Anno]
#534985 - 01/29/02 12:51 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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If anybody has any questions about exactly what " lime -- limestone -- hydrated limestone -- agricultural limestone -- calcuim carbonate -- chalk -- dolomite " or any other rock is, LOOK HERE: http://imcg.wr.usgs.gov/dmmrt/
That is a very exact - dictionary of Mining, Mineral & Related Terms.
Oyster shells are comprised of calcuim carbonate. Same thing limestone is.
Most any plant nursery and/or garden item store anywhere will have bags of simple ground limestone (argricultural limestone).
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Re: agricultural lime vs hydrated lime *important!* [Re: SixTango]
#535083 - 01/29/02 03:21 PM (22 years, 8 months ago) |
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Good link!
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