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Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity
    #5323297 - 02/21/06 09:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Venezuela, by sending heating oil free of charge for poor and homeless people and at very low prices for those that can pay, is giving a great example of cooperation and solidarity with the American people; and the whole world is bearing witness to it," said the outstanding scholar, historian and university professor Noam Chomsky during a presentation at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology. The event brought together professors, researchers, politicians, scholars, journalists, and social leaders from that city.

Chomsky, who is also well-known in the field of linguistics, has lashed out the Bush administration foreign policy through his books and speeches in international events.

He explained that the majority of Americans receive little or no information at all about the achievements of the Bolivarian revolution led by President Hugo Chavez, because the mass media only highlight the negative side and remain silent about the positive.

The writer and MIT linguistics and philosophy professor ?who dedicates a great part of his activities to giving lectures at universities, trade unions and organizations? announced that he will visit Caracas in late October to participate in conferences and forums on how the Latin American situation is being viewed from the US perspective. He said that in his presentations he will approach the Venezuelan situation from the angle of its achievements, accomplishments, targets and programs.

On this occasion, Chomsky took part in a panel discussion on the origins and consequences of terrorism. Also participating were British priest Geoffrey Bottoms, a defender of humans rights and activist for world peace and justice, as well as journalist and moviemaker Bernie Dwyer, who lives in Havana.

Before the panel opened, there was a screening of the documentary "Mission Against Terror," which denounces the detention of five Cubans in the United States for fighting terrorism. At the same time it investigates the terrorist activities of Orlando Bosch and Luis Posada Carriles ? the masterminds of the mid-air bombing of a Cubana Airlines DC-8 off the coast of Barbados on October 6, 1973 that killed all of its 73 passengers and crew members.

Throughout the discussion, Chomsky referred to the Venezuelan political process as an example for Latin America and the rest of the world, underscoring the policies that have achieved countless successes, especially in the educational and healthcare fields. These have strengthened the Venezuelan people's dignity, he said.

"Venezuela has successfully challenged the United States, and this country does not accept challenges ? much less if they are successful. That's the heart of the matter," said the writer.

On the other hand, he pointed out that according to Bush's foreign policy, the United States believes that it has the privilege of labeling any country or person as terrorist. "And by following that precept we would have to accept that our own air force might bomb Washington, as the US government is harboring Luis Posada Carriles and has turned a deaf ear at Venezuela's request for the extradition of one of the most notorious terrorist in this continent, who is about to be released," said Chomsky.

He went on to say that "Posada Carriles, a former CIA operative, escaped from a Venezuelan prison where he was being held while facing trial for the attack on the Cuban plane and other charges. He was later admitted into the US and sent to El Salvador, where, among other activities, he organized Nicaraguan Contras along with Captain Oliver North."

"Now," said the US scholar, "the Cuban-born terrorist is in a jail in El Paso and the Venezuela?s request for his extradition has not been responded to. Everything seems to be in a limbo; and probably Posada will show up tomorrow in Miami, walking around freely. So there is a remarkable contradiction between what is said and done in this country with regards to terrorism."
http://www.periodico26.cu/english/news_world/noam021906.htm


Venezuela's Chavez may end presidential term limits

CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Sunday he may seek to lift constitutionally mandated presidential term limits if opposition parties boycott the upcoming December presidential elections.



"I might sign a decree calling for a popular referendum -- do you agree that Chavez should run for a third term in 2013?" Chavez said during his weekly Sunday broadcast. "It's not a firm decision, it's something I'm thinking about."

Chavez was first elected in 1998 and again in 2000 after he led a move to rewrite the country's constitution. He is up for re-election in December, and has accused the opposition and the U.S. government of seeking to disrupt the poll.

Opposition parties boycotted parliamentary elections last December on allegations of electoral authority bias, allowing Chavez's allies to win all the legislature's seats.

"If the opposition tries to pull the same stunt of everyone pulling out (of the vote) ... that might strengthen this idea," Chavez said.

Venezuela's fractured opposition parties still have not united behind a possible candidate to face Chavez in December.

Many opposition leaders advocated abstention after Chavez won an overwhelming victory in a recall referendum on his rule in 2004. Chavez's critics alleged he won the vote through fraud, an accusation not backed by international election monitors.


But Chavez's critics accuse him of concentrating power and seeking to remain in office indefinitely. The constitutional changes he promoted in 1999 eliminated Venezuela's traditional ban on immediate reelection, and increased the presidential term from five to six years.

Chavez last year opposed a move by one of his allies to end term limits, insisting he did not have any intention of remaining in the presidency permanently.

He said the current debate was meant to teach the opposition "a lesson about true politics, so they'll stop being so ridiculous."
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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5323359 - 02/21/06 09:38 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

most of the contributors to Z-Mag have been (unfortunately) not very critical of Chavez. There are some great things that he has been doing, but his whole regime reeks of authoritarianism to me. One can praise his accomplishments and still condemn his autocraticness, i feel..


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: Krishna]
    #5323681 - 02/21/06 11:15 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

well put.

I have been trying to figure out why Central/South America is so fucked up. The people work hard and they have lots of resources.

and its not all Americas fault, IMO the U.S. has done more good than bad.


I watched a chronicle on IFC called Amerikan Passport by Reed Pagit. it leaned left but was still a good movie. (i loved his grandfather)

Reed Pagit had an interesting quote

"It's been suggested that there's a side of us that overcomes our own fear of death by killing another. To take pleasure in killing is disturbingly universal. Otto Rank said something like "The death-fear of the ego is eased by the killing of another-no wonder we are addicted to war."


maybe thats the problem with South America. they elect nut cases knowing it will cause lots of pain and sorrow, but praying it will not affect them personally.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5323902 - 02/21/06 12:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm not sure what your trying to get across, but if Chavez's opponents refuse to participate in a national election than all they're doing is inviting him to retain his position. Maybe they hope to gain sympathy abroad by portraying Chavez as some sort of power hungry tyrant. I have no doubt that there are foreign parties invested in the situation.
Only time will tell whether Chavez is a real deal socialist or a closet totalitarian, but the powers that be in the U.S. want him out, and it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to see his name end up next to Allende in the history books.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5323963 - 02/21/06 12:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

and its not all Americas fault, IMO the U.S. has done more good than bad.

What do you mean by "America"? Some american people have done good things over there but if you mean the american government or policies implemented by the american government I'm struggling to think of something good they ever did.

they elect nut cases knowing it will cause lots of pain and sorrow, but praying it will not affect them personally.


Presumably if Chavez had been another in the long line of big-business oriented dictators no-one in America would have minded what he did. Because he's oriented to the poor and the people of the country he's going to be heavily demonised.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: seeker]
    #5324504 - 02/21/06 03:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The parallels between both (Allende/Chavez) up to this point are striking.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5324540 - 02/21/06 03:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

But, will Chavez have his own Pinochet?


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: Alex213]
    #5324559 - 02/21/06 03:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Alex213 said: the american government or policies implemented by the american government I'm struggling to think of something good they ever did.




For example: Living and travailing throughout Latin America i would frequently come across huge projects that the the US Army Corps of Engineers had completed. Huge irrigation projects and flood control. lots of infrastructure projects, that truly benefited the people.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: seeker]
    #5324574 - 02/21/06 03:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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But, will Chavez have his own Pinochet?





lets hope so :smirk:

I do hope the U.S. starts paying more attention to our Neighbors.
We need to  hurry up and get the fuck out of the middle east and stop wasting money on Africa.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5324605 - 02/21/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

chavez has not proposed a single life term. spokespeople have said that he has exaggerated as well.

if something like this were to go forward, it would likely be the same term lengths without denial of continued candidacy. if he and the people wish for him to be able to run after 2012, and the people vote to let him do so, i don't see anything wrong with that. there will still be frequent elections. an end to term limits does not necessarily mean life terms, unless the people will it every few years. much discussions have distorted things to the end of painting him as hitleresque, elected then assuming an authoritarian dictator's role. this is very far from any evidenced truths.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5324617 - 02/21/06 04:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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seeker said:
But, will Chavez have his own Pinochet?





lets hope so :smirk:

I do hope the U.S. starts paying more attention to our Neighbors.
We need to  hurry up and get the fuck out of the middle east and stop wasting money on Africa.





lets hope for an undemocratic military coup by a US gov supported fascist death-squad dictator? i believe there are and have been to many of those.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5324657 - 02/21/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Just to be clear, not all socialists are communists and fascists, so trying to paint them all with same brush is foolish and counterproductive.

Plus, until international is broken, it's nobodies business but the Venezuelans what happens in Venezuelan politics. Chavez (like Allende) was democratically elected, so Uncle Sam can't legally do a damn thing.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: kilgore_trout]
    #5324662 - 02/21/06 04:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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if he and the people wish for him to be able to run after 2012, and the people vote to let him do so, i don't see anything wrong with that.




YES!!!!

Lets do that here in the U.S.

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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5324695 - 02/21/06 04:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Venezuela's Chavez may end presidential term limits

CARACAS, Venezuela (Reuters) - Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez said on Sunday he may seek to lift constitutionally mandated presidential term limits if opposition parties boycott the upcoming December presidential elections.



"I might sign a decree calling for a popular referendum -- do you agree that Chavez should run for a third term in 2013?" Chavez said during his weekly Sunday broadcast. "It's not a firm decision, it's something I'm thinking about."





If BUsh did something like this, would good ole Heeb Chomsky come out and praise him? Somehow, I doubt it.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: MisterMyco]
    #5324724 - 02/21/06 04:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

what I dont understand is why the left loves Dictators like Castro, Kim Jong and Chavez. They (liberals) would be the first in front of the firing squads.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5324731 - 02/21/06 04:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Liberals hate Western values. ANything that undermines them, the libearls support. Thats why every liberal rag in the country, from the red press to the ACLU, refers to illegal aliens as "undocumented". Anything that could possibly bring about the death of Western civilization, they support.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: MisterMyco]
    #5324747 - 02/21/06 04:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If the Democrats ever boycotted an national election a third party would displace them before morning.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: lonestar2004]
    #5324752 - 02/21/06 04:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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what I dont understand is why the left loves Dictators like Castro, Kim Jong and Chavez. They (liberals) would be the first in front of the firing squads.



A few things:

1. The "left" is a broad category, which includes groups that don't get along with each other. For example, my father is a liberal who is also rather anti-communist. There are also many socialists and communists who show disdain for liberals. Don't think that just because two groups are left of center that they necessarily admire one another.

2. Chavez is not a dictator. He was elected, and has not stopped the democratic process.

3. Who the fuck admires Kim Jong Il? Certainly no one I've ever met.


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: MisterMyco]
    #5324768 - 02/21/06 04:52 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Liberals hate Western values.



No, they hate conservative values. Tolerance, equality, and open-mindedness have always been valued in the West(or at least ever since the Dark Ages ended).


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Re: Noam Chomsky: Venezuela is an Example of True Solidarity [Re: Silversoul]
    #5324804 - 02/21/06 05:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Oh? Lynching blacks in the South was part of the tolerance package, or the equality?

Western values have been about working hard, producing things, using your intellect and honest, hardworking people being given a minimal amount of government to protect and ensure everyones rights. When non-Western influences, and people who aren't honest and hardworking, come into the picture, it begins to falter. Thats why America is going so far down hill now, the Constitution was framed by people who assumed that most Americans would be white people who were hard-working and respectful of others rights. Now, thats changing rapidly and we 'need' more and more laws to deal with it.


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