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annielicious
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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: Hendostan]
#5323832 - 02/21/06 12:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Robot, hehehe fun stuff eh?
One of my most fun things to do is get someone else's opinion on ... anything. I never want to be a closed minded ignorant person. so for years I would "gather" all of this alternative thoughts and opinions of others. However, ...I just kept gathering until I was asking the same question you are. Thinking toooo broadly.
Finally, I had an epiphany... vacuuming. Well if I want to know who I am, then I need to define it. What do I think (for myself after gathering info), about X. And started to make DECISIONS about who I was. Then it all fell into place.
I had a horrible guilt issue. My therapist said "You have nothing to feel guilty about, unless you are compromising your own morals." and I then thought.. What are my morals? I used to know, because they were defined by my parents and those I was "gathering" from. I needed to DECIDE who I was, by my own intellect and emotions.
I always thought getting older and wiser just happens, but just like vacuuming you have a process of deliberate action.
They other key to this for me was to realize and ACCEPT that who I am today may not be who I am tomorrow, because we will become many different people through our life that builds on who I am now.
-------------------- "Everything that limits us, we have to put aside." Jonathan Livingston Seagull
Edited by annielicious (02/21/06 12:16 PM)
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CherryBom
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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: annielicious]
#5323839 - 02/21/06 12:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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...now, to me, that sounds like some great advice. I'm a gatherer, too. I don't speak up that often, but you can be sure that I am listening and observing. Sometimes it takes me awhile to figure out where I stand. Maybe I don't stand anywhere. Should I?
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...(Rush)
My gathering of information is a vast safe. It comes in handy more often then not.
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Silversoul
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There is no self. You are but a manifestation of something greater, as are we all.
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OneMoreRobot3021


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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: Silversoul]
#5323906 - 02/21/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah that's well and great and all but in the meantime, down here on earth, where I have a job and relationships and shit in my ass and food to put in my throat, there are many aspects of ME that do exist outside the one-ness that is everything. If you go through life saying to yourself "I am but one version of the eternal overmind manifesting itself in this realm of existence" it may help your mindset, but it's not going to ease everyone's anxiety about selfhood.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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Silversoul
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In the words of John Lennon, "Let it be."
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CherryBom
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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: Silversoul]
#5323919 - 02/21/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If only it were that easy.
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Silversoul
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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: Silversoul]
#5323921 - 02/21/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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^^^^might actually be a good song to play when you have the kind of trip you're describing.
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Silversoul
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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: CherryBom]
#5323925 - 02/21/06 12:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
CherryBom said:

If only it were that easy.
It is.
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dblaney
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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: Silversoul]
#5323939 - 02/21/06 12:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah but it takes a lot of time and practice and unlearning. It's very rare for someone to wake up one day and suddenly experience Satori or Nirvana, at least AFAIK.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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OneMoreRobot3021


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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: dblaney]
#5324273 - 02/21/06 02:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Moments of Satori have eluded me for far too long now.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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dblaney
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If you put in the effort, it will come.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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OneMoreRobot3021


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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: dblaney]
#5324303 - 02/21/06 02:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Or, if I simply go with the flow...it will come...
SidenotE: I'd like some DMT.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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dblaney
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DMT...I've never had a breakthrough with it, I think the extraction was done poorly. From what I've read though...wow!
And yeah, flowing = key!
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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Silversoul
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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: dblaney]
#5324316 - 02/21/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Quote:
dblaney said: If you put in the effort, it will come.
It doesn't involve effort. It involves letting go.
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OneMoreRobot3021


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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: Silversoul]
#5324319 - 02/21/06 02:35 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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It involves a little of both...life without effort, will just pass you by.
-------------------- Acid doesn't give you truths; it builds machines that push the envelope of perception. Whatever revelations came to me then have dissolved like skywriting. All I really know is that those few years saddled me with a faith in the redemptive potential of the imagination which, however flat, stale and unprofitable the world seems to me now, I cannot for the life of me shake. -Erik Davis
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dblaney
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Re: I'm sick of the "Who Am I?" trip. [Re: Silversoul]
#5324328 - 02/21/06 02:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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That's just semantics...I would say that for most people, letting go is not an easy thing to do, and it requires action (to break out of their normal patterns) to achieve fully. Thus it requires effort.
I do see what you are saying though, and indeed once achieved it will be clear that there was never any effort involved.
-------------------- "What is in us that turns a deaf ear to the cries of human suffering?" "Belief is a beautiful armor But makes for the heaviest sword" - John Mayer Making the noise "penicillin" is no substitute for actually taking penicillin. "This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it, or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it." -Abraham Lincoln
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