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PDU
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Re: Would LSD really make me more Artistic? [Re: stemmer]
#5305198 - 02/16/06 12:06 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Whoa, you all sound very ignorant towards file sharing.
If i was an accomplished musician i would WANT my music to reach as many ears as possible, because i was passionate about the feeling of my music.
Artistic integrity is not measured in dollars. Most underground bands i listen to are FOR filesharing as it gives them a MUCH wider listening base than ever possible before..
Are you against tape trading too (the predecessor to file sharing?)..
i buy cd's, and books of bands, and see shows, and travel looong distances for shows, and will buy a shirt, or a patch, or a rare record...
but i also have 40+ gigs of free downloaded music... which i would never have a clue about without p2p sharing networks.
anyways, what a childish argument.
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scumpi
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If you think taking LSD might be a shortcut to free your skills, and that thereafter you will be a creative artist in whatever field, making music or painting or whatever, I think that does not apply. It soes not work that way. If you are already skilled in something it might help you very much in doing things you haven`t even thought of before and can bring you much further into the field you already explore.
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Lizard_King12034 said: I have never done any Psychedelics besides weed once (Which I will never try again because the tar). Now I wanted to know if LSD really brought your artsy side. This is the main reason I got interested in Psychedelics. Thanks ahead.
No, if you're not artistic to begin with I doubt it will do anything for you.
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Re: Would LSD really make me more Artistic? [Re: Spenny]
#5306616 - 02/16/06 12:10 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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I painted for the first time in over 10 years on my last LSD trip. I basically just wanted to see what I was capable of, or at least how much LSD could enhance my ability to paint.
My conclusion was that the LSD was a huge catalyst in the creative process. When I started, my painting level was the same or worse as it the last time I painted (10+ yrs). By the end of the trip, I felt like I had been practicing for weeks. It helped me see the mistakes I was making and breaking bad habits I could never see before, as well as encouraging me to really let loose and just express things without being afraid it would "good or bad". A good teacher could probably serve some of the same purpose, but the LSD experience is just so much more fulfilling because it all came from within...I had the ability all along and just needed a tool to help unlock the ability.
As far as BEING artistic, I think I was born with or developed an artistic ability at a very young age...I am very musically inclined and so I think the LSD won't make me any more artistic, but rather I think it's just a great tool, and this type of self-employed learning can be very therapeutic as well.
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kaniz
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Re: Would LSD really make me more Artistic? [Re: kake]
#5306662 - 02/16/06 12:19 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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File sharing can help, and hurt artists. Really, I dont think Coldplay is sleeping in the poor house because some downloaded their CD, and last I checked, Spears still had millions and most other top-40 artists are still living the high-life.
File sharing on the other hand, can really harm indie artist and smaller bands who are trying to make it, but not already rolling in millions.
However, on the other hand - file sharing, can expose the bands to a wider audiance before, and create a wider fan-base that will go out and see their concerts, buy their t-shirts / etc.
Personnaly, I tend to just stick to downloading DJ sets these days, however I do still download records/CDs/etc.
Why?
a: Alot of the stuff I listen to is only on Vinyl, its just much easier to have it on my computer to listen to. b: I still do buy CDs/Vinyl, not loads - but I still do. I usually rip them to my computer and rarely touch the hard-copy after, but meh. c: I get introduced to a wide range of artists of which I wouldnt of known existed otherwise. When I go on a P2P download spree, I'll start to download things at 100% random just to see if I will like it. As a result, I've found lots of artists which I would of never known existed otherwise. d: By doing the above, this has directly lead to CD and Record purchases by me or my boyfriend. There has been many times we've heard a song we've downloaded and gone out to buy the vinyl a few days after e: Also, in relation to C - I'll go to clubs/parties/raves where the DJ is spinning if they come into town, putting money into their pocket from the cover price/etc and the money they get played to spin f: Or, certian producers will lead me to like certian DJs that spin their stuff. ie: I really like stuff by artist XYZ, I downloaded a set by DJ ABC, and notice DJ ABC has a bunch of XYZ stuff. I go and see DJ ABC spin, DJ ABC has gone out and purchased those records/etc also, all helping push money back into the artists and scene that is creating it.
I spend alot of money on 'music' (concerts, parties, records, cds, etc), however alot of the music I know of and that I like, is a direct result of downloading music off of the internet.
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Re: Would LSD really make me more Artistic? [Re: kaniz]
#5308755 - 02/16/06 09:08 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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As far as lsd making you more creative, yes it can in a variety of ways. If you disagree with this, then you have no proof that it is true, which is understandable. Many people live with the proof and the reasoning behind it every day. If you take psychadelics very seriously and are a musician for example, you can figure out a few very good reasons why this is the case. One thing I will use as proof: (it is also the easiest thing to explain). Lsd can help you find the root of an idea as experienced by many in the form of intense, almost otherworldly self analyzation. Music is math much like cognition, and this function that helps you see the root, as well as the destination it provides and the endless possibilities/probabilities, can help in music. Your synapses fire in a strange over active mannor. It helps to really know your intrument very well first, so that you may see this fact most clearly via music. For musicians that are heavily into improvisational music and use psychadelics, this fact is more than obvious. If you think about it, writting lyrics or poetry can be applied in a similare way. If you dont know what it feels like to have the inspired capasity to speak due to a heavy dose of hallucinogens then you would not necessarily believe any of this. People who's sentances almost never end, something to say from every angle to the point where it is overwhelming sometimes to the speaker and the listener, yet it is all sound logic. I hope yall see what im getting at.
As for File sharing, Occam's Razor can be applied quite easily and it is more truthful if applied. Stealing music is bad, stealing is no good. The internet is likely too big for anyone to stop it. However, if musicians gave their fans an official place to sample entire songs, people often would not go searching for numerous free samples elsewhere unless they wanted the whole album for free. Which is lame as hell. Are we assuming most bands make "ALL" their money from touring? Do they not deserve money for their studio efforts? Do you as fans simply not feel compelled to pay because its free on the internet? The golden mean would be to have a conscience as listeners and not rip these artists off. If your telling me you need a whole album in order to know if you like a band, your a thief or your just kinda slow. Its mainly the fault of the listeners who have no concept of the fact that "Music is a JOB for many artists". You can blame the internet, and you can blame the fans. It really annoys me when people bring up B Spears or Coldplay to make a point. My point is file sharing should be regulated in all the right places(the sites that provide, and by the fans themselves). Secondly, as of today it is most importantly, still the resposibility of the fans to know the difference between testing out a new band, and streight up stealing their shit. Its still all up to you the fans, and I think thats messed up, but atleast YOU can do something about it. If only more people respected albums more than the albums potential to create a wider fan base. There is a good inbetween, thats all. The internet could serve a good purpose by exposing the bands to a wider audience, and at the same time not making record sales slim to none. Yes, Coldplay will always make a ton off of record sales reguardless. But so what?
Edited by stemmer (02/16/06 09:16 PM)
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Re: Would LSD really make me more Artistic? [Re: stemmer]
#5309172 - 02/16/06 11:14 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Here are some albums that involved psychedelic drugs: The Beatles: Revolver, Sgt. Peppers, The White Album All of Jimi Hendrix's work Bob Dylan: Blonde on Blonde Pink Floyd: Meddle, Dark Side of the Moon, Wish You Were Here (also the first three) Grateful Dead: everything but esp. good Workingman's Dead and American Beauty The Beach Boys:Pet Sounds The Who: Tommy Led Zeppelin: most of their catalog The Rolling Stones: Let It Bleed Herbie Hancock: Headhunters
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Re: Would LSD really make me more Artistic? [Re: Divided_Sky]
#5309222 - 02/16/06 11:33 PM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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Did herbie really trip out at all? I never looked it up. I just thought he was one of the best jazz/funk musicians of all times. He played piano for miles and some of the other greats too even at the age of 15(Jazz). Id love to know if Herbie had done some psychadelics. Especially if it started with the headhunters album . Mainly because of the albums that followed it, like "Man-Child", and "Secrets". He is just about my favorite.
Those are some good examples too. As if syd barret was not influenced by hallucinogens. It would be almost funny if anyone thought otherwise.
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FUCK I WAS STONED DONT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO.
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Lizard_King12034 said: I have never done any Psychedelics besides weed once (Which I will never try again because the tar). Now I wanted to know if LSD really brought your artsy side. This is the main reason I got interested in Psychedelics. Thanks ahead.
I think that you should use look in to useing a high grade vaporizor for inhaleing tarless thc vapor.
I also think that you should eat lsd. I dont think that it will change you all that much from who you are today. But it will let you view the world in a better way.
Every time I trip I kinda think of religion cant help it really. Well a thought that I had while tripping I forgot rather it was lsd or shrooms but I came to the conclusion that regardless if the christains god made the flood. It seems their is enough evidance that it happend. I mean My whole state was created by the flood. It never seems to accure to any one with thinking it is total sci-fi is that well It seems 3000 years ago people started building shit the high ground. I always asumed that there was shit way below the sea that is way too deep for any one to discover untill the technolagy needed to go that deep gets cheaper. Today I see on TV that in japan they found a thing that is like a underwater pyrimid dateing back 10k years ago. http://www.grahamhancock.com/gallery/underwater/default.htm
It seems to me that every day they get more and more evidance to support religion. I always knew that Poeple cant go from nothing to eygpt. I belive lsd can make your mind think more practicly. Things that seem totaly obivous to me are like complety unheard of by others.
The 3erd time I triped I flashed back to every person I ever spoke to that has done lsd and was like "wow now I know what they were talking about."
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Re: Would LSD really make me more Artistic? [Re: onetime]
#5309347 - 02/17/06 12:26 AM (18 years, 1 month ago) |
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It may help YOU make yourself a better painter.It will not give you any power that you already didnt have in you.The acid or mushrooms or whathave you,could possibly clear your mind or let you see things in a different way so that you may be able to focus and let the thoughts come from a different part of your consciousness that you dont use often,without those thoughts having to be combined and bombarded with normal obssesive and compulsive thougts that you deal with everyday.
Maybe?Just a thought...
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LSD will not make you anything.... It can be a tool to let you.
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