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flower_child
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LSA Or DXM?
#5321742 - 02/20/06 08:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I can't decide weather to do LSA or DXM. I want to make it something itense when I do it, so I'm looking for whichever one would be more intense. If smoking mj will itensify it then I'm willing to add that in. But help me decide which one of these two to go for.
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if you don't care about your health then DXM, and MJ makes it much more intense. but you have to understand the dosing guidelines (we can't post them) for DXM as yes it can be much more intense a lot easier, but also to the point of being way too much. go to www.erowid.org
LSA is a more spiritual and benefical high.
do not do DXM without reading the entire FAQ on erowid, because DXM can kill you if you are taking certain kinds of meds, whereas LSA is very safe in comparison.
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why would you resort to such "dirty" substances when theres plentiful amounts of mushrooms and LSD?
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: donkey2]
#5321772 - 02/20/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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donkey2 said: why would you resort to such "dirty" substances when theres plentiful amounts of mushrooms and LSD?
lots of people don't have hookups to such things.
and there is nothing "dirty" about LSA, its a natural source of lysergic acids and should be treated with respect.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: donkey2]
#5321783 - 02/20/06 09:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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mushrooms AND LSD? wow havnt seen it for years like 5 or so around here.
LSA is a very clean and nice high, just do HWBWS not morning glory (though it works), and make sure you crush them up and soak them in some distilled water for about an hour, strain and drink. Take around 15-20 HWBWS if extracted with water. If eaten straight less can be used. At least 7 straight seeds for a minimal effect, I have eaten 30 straight before... intense.
DXM can be very good (clean too), if extracted properly and turned back into a salt with the addition of lemon juice or phosphoric acid. I have a very pure method of extracting DXM if you want to know it, only costs about 10$ to do. Or just buy some robitussin cough caps, take a bottle or two, and be prepared for the shits and stomache cramps.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: pip182]
#5321794 - 02/20/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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lsa, i have had many good times on lsa
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I dont have much experience with LSA, i ate 3g's of seeds once, felt less than something ud consider threshold.
So unfortunately id have to say DXM, which isnt all that good, but has its pros
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actaully i have heard that mixing the two is pretty good. that is of course if you like them both seperatley, its should be amazing combined.
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flower_child said: I can't decide weather to do LSA or DXM. I want to make it something itense when I do it, so I'm looking for whichever one would be more intense. If smoking mj will itensify it then I'm willing to add that in. But help me decide which one of these two to go for.
First of all (for me atleast) pot intesifies everything..so... Let me tell you about my strongest LSA experience..... I ate about 800mg seeds crushed up and put into some water, nothing happened for a good two hours, then as soon as i took one hit of pot i saw i was staring down a tunnel, i started to mumble then. I stared into the sun... felt like i was being burst into a miliion pieces of light, like i was deseminating into the space around me. This was the only time ive ever said i wanted to stop taking any substances at all, needless to say, it was a very intese experience, and overall good
Now the last 2 DXM experiences... i ended up GETTING FLU LIKE SYMPTOMS, htis was 8 ounces of nasty tussin :X I was taking dxm mainly because i was on drug tests so i couldnt smoke so much, and i was a bored highschooler, and i ended up using it way more than i would have ever liked to. I really feel like i damaged ATLEAST my body I would also consider dxm ALOT more of a dissacociative than a pyschadelic, I dont know which kind of "strong" you were looking for. I would go with the lsa HOWEVER its your choice be careful either way, some mg seeds have poison, so maybe try HBWR, i dunno about those, anyways, good luck
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Edited by CerebralFlower (02/21/06 01:08 AM)
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In answer to those who ask why not just do shrooms or acid: it's because where I live you can't get those, and even those that can know so little about them that I'd just rather grow my own shrooms when I'm ready. People that use them actually tell me "It's them poisoning you that makes you high." I think I will try LSA instead of DXM. I've been looking into them both for a couple of months and it just seems like DXM would feel very dirty and...I don't know how to describe it. thanks everyone.
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if you think dxm will feel dirty...try using theraflu thinstrips, its pure dxm. it costs a bit more, but the trip is so much cleaner...non of that dirty feeling. pure/powder dxm has a nice clean disassociative feeling thats amazing when mixed with some bud, although the thinstrips take a while to kick in, its worth it.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: iRideSnow]
#5323887 - 02/21/06 12:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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dissacociative vs pyschadelic...
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LSA is a very clean and nice high, just do HWBWS not morning glory (though it works), and make sure you crush them up and soak them in some distilled water for about an hour, strain and drink. Take around 15-20 HWBWS if extracted with water. If eaten straight less can be used. At least 7 straight seeds for a minimal effect, I have eaten 30 straight before... intense.
Does soaking the HWBW in distilled water keep you from getting nauseas?
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: drSE]
#5325724 - 02/21/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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LSA is a very clean and nice high, just do HWBWS not morning glory (though it works), and make sure you crush them up and soak them in some distilled water for about an hour, strain and drink. Take around 15-20 HWBWS if extracted with water. If eaten straight less can be used. At least 7 straight seeds for a minimal effect, I have eaten 30 straight before... intense.
Does soaking the HWBW in distilled water keep you from getting nauseas?
Nothing will prevent nausea, but soaking definetly helps a lot.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: pip182]
#5325794 - 02/21/06 08:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Nothing will prevent nausea except a good preparation and mind bullets. I have never gotten one bit nauseated on HBWR seeds, I just tripped my balls off in a far more interesting way than DXM can provide. I respect the dissosiatives too, but Id prefer the glory of the morning or HBWR any day. IT is somewhat sedative, but very hallucinogenic, and is by no means "dirty" feeling beyond the potentially intense physical high.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: stemmer]
#5325814 - 02/21/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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shrooms are hard to get where i live
you usually can only get them around spring and summer time
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: stemmer]
#5325815 - 02/21/06 08:24 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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yeah i'd just straight up eat the seeds and smoke a tiny bit of herb if the nausea bothers you. or a lot of herb if you want to go synchronistic. if you do stay away from the tv though unless you want it to talk to you.
and for real, i'd say don't eat more than 3 hbwr because they can be quite potent, once you come up on the 3 you can decide if you want more and dose as you see fit.
i see some people EATING like 200 mg seeds and tons of HBWR and saying they didn't feel shit.... i don't know why that is but i trip HARD on 20-30 MG seeds, not fucking TWO HUNDRED.... and no more than 5 hbwr should really be necessary....
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: leery11]
#5325894 - 02/21/06 08:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Leery11, Im so glad to hear someone say that. I think its just insane to think that some people take 250 mG's and say they dont feel it. It really gives certain people a reason to not respect those who dont feel it. I for one can feel 2 MG seeds for sure. I know Im more sensative than the rest though I didnt used to be, but 250 seeds without feeling like you want to do anything but fall asleep, that makes me wonder about some things.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: stemmer]
#5325920 - 02/21/06 08:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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That really cool that you feel that way too. I wouldnt take more than 12(maybe 14) good HBWR at the most. If you eat 20+ I couldnt even begin to know what it is one might be looking for besides passing out or worse.
I personally like to mix it with extreemely low doses of psilocybin.
Edited by stemmer (02/21/06 08:47 PM)
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leery11
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: stemmer]
#5325967 - 02/21/06 08:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i wish i had doses of psilocybin.
i know someone who claims he grows but he is so open about it (like saying it quietly in class to a girl in a drug conversation) that my paranoid gears start churning.
he seems legit and not afraid to express his interest but i don't know if asking him for a hookup is safe.
anyway ....... how many hbwr would you eat to get an interesting visual trip?
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: leery11]
#5325991 - 02/21/06 08:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Just look for one the many lazyman's methods. They work well. NO, really. Its not hard depending on where you live(indoors, the p's). Certainly Im only talking about it for microscopia purposes though.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: stemmer]
#5326029 - 02/21/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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oh i know it looks easy to do it's just i don't feel secure in my current location.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: leery11]
#5326050 - 02/21/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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That no good, good luck in the future with your microscopic endeavores.
Edited by stemmer (02/21/06 09:11 PM)
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: stemmer]
#5326085 - 02/21/06 09:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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i haven't had many good experiences with lsa. i get cramped real easy, sometimes my legs feel like i've been sitting on them for days while under the drug. i binged on dxm for 6months, i know a bit more about that. i guess both can take you to the border of hell, though i'd rather ride dxm.
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Try the LSA before going for the DXM. DXM depending on your weight and dosage could take you on a trip you may not be prepared for. The strongest trips I have ever had was my first time with LSD, I was lucky enough to acquire some original Double Barrel Sunshine and a few yrs. ago I tripped hard and really hallucinated with DXM. I bought into the whole crazy trip and found myself in the psych ward for 48 hrs. until I was interviewed by a board of shrinks and released. A wild, crazy 24 hr. DXM trip I will never forget and wouldn't of missed for the world. The only thing I regret was running around by myself in the city and not having someone there to bring me back to some sort of reality. I totally bought into the whole DXM "life's secrets are being revealed to only me" theme. I've always wanted to tell this story but didn't want to tell it until I thought I could do it justice. It was THAT fuckin crazy. You want some really good advice? Take the time, do the reading and grow some shrooms. Leave the DXM alone until you know what your gettin yourself into and you have some friends to look out for you...just in case.
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you should really try and write up a trip report on that, that sounds crazy!
i dunno the thing with dex is as long as you stay in the second plateau, i actually don't find it the least bit scary.
i've been SCARED on LSA quite a few times, even on lower "trips" than the dxm trips i've had, but somehow dxm is just a fun "lets get fucked and laugh about it" drug like alcohol is.
except for the last trip i had that was completely devoid of emotions and i felt like i was sober despite the visuals and body loads. it sucked.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: leery11]
#5326400 - 02/21/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Does LSA take a long time to kick in if you just eat the seeds, and what if you soak them, does it kick in faster?
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: drSE]
#5326417 - 02/21/06 10:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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If made with the best extract preparation it still takes a good deal longer than lsd to kick in.
I prefer to just eat a bunch over a period of time with small amounts of bread. I end up with a really hard mental trip full of lsa visuals due to the fact that I ate so much and never felt sick and certainly never puke it up. It could almost be considered subtle by many people unless you eat more than 8-10 seeds. Id suggest 5 to start because honestly, I dont think anyone who eats more than 10 seeds has a head on their shoulders unless they know where those seeds might take them.
HBWR are very potent, and the trip is VERY interesting.
Edited by stemmer (02/21/06 11:03 PM)
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leery11
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: stemmer]
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it kciks in pretty quick for the come up effects but it might be a while til you really peak.
the trip i freaked out on i just ate gradually a few seeds here and there til i had done like 6.
then someone knocked on my window (which is physically impossible) and i freaked otu and hid in my room and censored myself under the assumption that people were after me for playing music and they knew i was tripping and in my apartment for about 3 straight hours.
ugh.
horrible.
and yet i'm planning on LSA-ing tomorrow? Should I? I'm looking for something and I'm not fucking finding it when I'm sober... I just want to accept and love myself and be peaceful and happy.
:x
the knocking i do believe was from me tapping my foot against something but then it looped sonically and persisted long after i stopped doing it because i attached fear to it.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: leery11]
#5326446 - 02/21/06 11:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I really dont know what to say to that.
All I know Is that LSA's are just another valuable hallucinogen.
Those sound like some good seeds though, thats for sure.
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leery11
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: stemmer]
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Yeah from BBB, one seed gets me a great mood elevation with subtle stoned like sensory effects and very mild tracers.
I felt like I was in my head and full of love, everything was super melty and I was on top of the world never felt so good and connected to my childhood, was scribbling frantically drawing crazy things writing entires....
then i started thinking about politics and how they want you to be miserable and want these great feelings to be illegal and that sent me on the downward spiral..... NIN came on "I'd rather DIE than give you control" over and over again and i was like "yes, yes... I'd rather die than give you control" getting into and ... then the knocking.

I mean I was too afraid to even turn tv on because I thought osmeone would hear it.
I really want to trip, LSA has a TON to offer, I just want a good trip you know? I want to learn about the bad parts of me, I just want to learn about them in a peaceful way.
-------------------- I am the MacDaddy of Heimlich County, I play it Straight Up Yo! ....I embrace my desire to feel the rhythm, to feel connected enough to step aside and weep like a widow, to feel inspired, to fathom the power, to witness the beauty, to bathe in the fountain, to swing on the spiral of our divinity and still be a human...... Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: leery11]
#5326779 - 02/22/06 12:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Boy was I drunk when I wrote the comment I am editing right now.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: stemmer]
#5328291 - 02/22/06 02:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I went looking online for HWBW and notice that thier is lots of different strains, whats better, and is their a local place i can find these or do i have to order online?
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: drSE]
#5328551 - 02/22/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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HAwaiian strain is supposedly the best no matter where you get it from. Thats why they cost more. Also, There is some strain, I think its from somewhere asia that is the cheapest and has little or no active compounds in it.
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Re: LSA Or DXM? [Re: stemmer]
#5329705 - 02/22/06 09:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Hey what about Morning Glory seeds like the Heavenly Blue's or Flying Saucers? I bought and pocketed (whaddafuk I was using em for a good cause) like 10 pkgs. from Martha Stewart's company and there were 50 seeds per pkg. The seeds were from Holland I think and were grown organically, no pesticides being used. I did a water extraction and then diluted the sludge in Everclear. I held the Everclear in my mouth for as long as a could then spit it out. Im not frying my friggin liver with dat chit, anyway I felt nice, a mild high like I could notice the expression on people's faces with some amusement. Not what I was hoping for. I think it would've been alot better if I let the seeds soak in the water for a couple of days instead of a couple of hours and then just drink the water bypassing the Everclear stage. That's the way the Native American's did their Morning Glory. In fact I'm gonna try it again as soon as I can get the seeds from K-Mart. Should be pretty soon. I let you all know how it goes.  And yes I have to do the DXM report sometime soon and btw DXM like alcohol is best consumed over at least a couple of hours rather than downing it quickly. You gotta give your body time to absorb/metabolize the Dextro slowly to get a mellow trip as opposed to overloading your system and gettin just really stoned and passing out.
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