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Invisiblemycoprog
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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: jmg5]
    #5324171 - 02/21/06 01:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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it's just a drug, whether or not its effects are "magical" depends on YOUR definition of magical.

And mycoprog, you seriously smoke weed every half hour? WTF?




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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: mycoprog]
    #5324240 - 02/21/06 02:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I can definitely relate to this topic. I've tripped 11 times over a year. The first two were very light trips, but shown me what true relaxation feels like (I'd never done any other drugs before). The third let my imagination run more freely and playfully, and combining with weed shown me truely powerful psychodelic effects. The 4th trip was just intense, out of this world. Possibly a life changing experience. My 5th trip was less so, and things have gone down hill since then. Now my trips tend to be just nice and calm, or very sleepy feeling.

I attribute this to many things; mostly my set and setting. My first trips occurred whilst I was on placement in a foreign country, whilst my later trips occurred after I returned to university. I think that tripping will produce better results once I've finished university.

Maybe there is also something in your life that has changed and could be affecting your trips?

I firmly believe that tripping should is best when you are feeling at your very best, like when something really positive has just happened in your life. Of course, the discovery of mushrooms is, in itself, usually a positive event in a person's life, but it's by no means the only one.


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: the_psychonaut]
    #5324509 - 02/21/06 03:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You cannot expect your relationship to mushrooms to remain the same forever. It's something you have to work at. When you say "magic" I tend to think you're referring to the amazing feeling of awe from sensory expansion, beauty in everything... Perhaps to get this back, you should try a different setting. Try tripping alone in a safe woods on a beautiful spring day. Try something new! New people, or alone, if you've never done that. Try a different species even! I recommend Panaeolus Subbalteatus.

The other explanation is that the mushrooms haven't let you down, but that you in fact have not evolved with the mushrooms. It sounds like you are really dedicated to making this work, so try reading what others have said about tripping and understanding reality: ie. Mckenna, Leary, shamans, Buddhist and other religious texts, everyone here on the shroomery!... Try to internalize what you're shown during trips. Turn the magic into understanding. It's a slow process, not the kind of learning that we're used to in the West, but one that is limitless. If you're getting bogged down in the familiar, realize that what's familiar is you, and you're not the whole picture.

But, I wouldn't worry too much. I've had the feeling that I couldn't agree with psychedelics any more, but then I had the most amazing trip and that realy pulled me out. I'm pretty sure that you'll eventually get back on track.


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: nycomyco]
    #5324534 - 02/21/06 03:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It only gets more intense the more I take it.
I dont know anything about this subject besides my experiences(well over 30 trips on mushrooms). I think the universe likes me.

One day after is another story, but for me it just gets better and better. Ive even went totally nuts on a related substance for the better. Not violent or too strange for my liking, just totally out of this fucking world. This was all helped along by years of high dose LSD, and other hallucinogens. There was never a moment when I thought that it was getting less interesting. Infact, it was very much the opposite.


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: mycoprog]
    #5324844 - 02/21/06 05:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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mycoprog said:
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jmg5 said:
it's just a drug, whether or not its effects are "magical" depends on YOUR definition of magical.

And mycoprog, you seriously smoke weed every half hour?  WTF?




yes. like cigarettes.
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I guess it's not that unbelievable.  If you can afford it more power to ya.

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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: jmg5]
    #5325726 - 02/21/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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jmg5 said:
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mycoprog said:
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jmg5 said:
it's just a drug, whether or not its effects are "magical" depends on YOUR definition of magical.

And mycoprog, you seriously smoke weed every half hour?  WTF?




yes. like cigarettes.
-n-




I guess it's not that unbelievable.  If you can afford it more power to ya.

peace :earth:





well i can't afford it but i do it anyway.
i need some time off though, im too lazy.
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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: mycoprog]
    #5325762 - 02/21/06 08:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think it and "we" have abilities that dont abide by the confines we know of as reality. Im a skeptic at heart, but I know how far this thing can go. I will never touch another hallucinogen again becuase of it. Its not that it scared me as much as the teacher became present every time after many experiences. These drugs are the closest anyone can get to real magic. Maybe thats why some refer to it as such.


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: mycoprog]
    #5325858 - 02/21/06 08:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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i smoke bud like every 30 minutes or so from wake to crash. this has been my routine for 9 years, no more than a few days off at a time, and that shit is pretty rare.




I'm impressed, disgusted, someewhat jealous, and wondering if I'd be physically able to do that all at the same time... nicely done :p


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: StickyWater]
    #5325983 - 02/21/06 08:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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i smoke bud like every 30 minutes or so from wake to crash. this has been my routine for 9 years, no more than a few days off at a time, and that shit is pretty rare.




I'm impressed, disgusted, someewhat jealous, and wondering if I'd be physically able to do that all at the same time... nicely done :p




its not all that bad..i only go through like an oz. or two a week. i primarily smoke out of bongs, gravity to be exact. i feel it conserves more while at the same time blowing my fucking head off.
yeah im a pothead.

:bongload:

check out my new piece:





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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: mycoprog]
    #5326239 - 02/21/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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mycoprog said:
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StickyWater said:
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i smoke bud like every 30 minutes or so from wake to crash. this has been my routine for 9 years, no more than a few days off at a time, and that shit is pretty rare.




I'm impressed, disgusted, someewhat jealous, and wondering if I'd be physically able to do that all at the same time... nicely done :p




its not all that bad..i only go through like an oz. or two a week. i primarily smoke out of bongs, gravity to be exact. i feel it conserves more while at the same time blowing my fucking head off.
yeah im a pothead.

:bongload:

check out my new piece:

-n-




Nice bong  :wink:

I know that it's not THAT bad... back in the summer I was going through a good 2-3g's a day, even now it's not uncommon for me to come home, sit back, and just smoke until I can't stay awake any longer. This usually consists of a few innitial bowls just to get going, then another bowl every time I feel like it (between 30-60 minutes, and I still don't let it interfere with my life, cause I'm just awsome that way) I also used a bong until I got a vaporizer (we share a special bond... it's hard for others to understand) but I still like my bong, for it has served me well... originally bought it for $35 second hand, glass ice bongs, got it half price, bowl included, it's a nice little semi-portable piece, small, but it does the trick... The ice also helps whenever I get my hands on some hash... I'm just impressed you haven't quit out of sympathy for your throat after smoking that much that long... I know that after last summer I took about a month off smoking because every breath of air that wasn't fresh was like trying to swallow a cheese grater  :tongue2:


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: mycoprog]
    #5326244 - 02/21/06 10:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Bringing this back to topic, I believe Hunter Thompson said something to the effect of, "Psychedelics aren't always about spirituality, sometimes you're just plain fucked up."


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: DIRTYMAN]
    #5326272 - 02/21/06 10:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This also happened to me recently off 3 grams, which was my first time in a while goin above 2. Oddly it wasnt a significant "lovey" experience like my last one. It was almost boring, like I didnt take enough. (if I had more I definently would have) I didnt really fail to freak out, I just kind of felt like I was under the dim light of heaven, which is pretty depressing. I began to see under my skin, and all the images I saw on my computer had something biological under it. I didnt give a fuck, I fell asleep somehow. Woke up the next day thinkin if I paid for it, I would not have been satisfied. The trips I had prior to the dull experience were very life changing and philisophical, this one was just a strange mystery that some how didnt amuse me.


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: Jon]
    #5326293 - 02/21/06 10:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

3 grams equals boring. hmmmmm

so that would make 2 grams less than a level 2 right?

The whole level thing throws people off for certain. Its your brain, dont let it glide you along while you question some bullshit levels of a trip. If you keep doing that, it will only be harder to reach a level 5,(a number some ass gave for a selfless trip where you cant see your hand in front of your face).

The whole levels thing throws people off if you ask me.


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: stemmer]
    #5326318 - 02/21/06 10:30 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

If shrooms get boring to you like that, you have learned nothing from your previous trips, or with hesitation, I think, you should try a big fat dose of acid. Then you might stop thinking that shrooms just get less interesting over time.

Or better yet, ayahuasca would shut you the hell up. If 2 grams doesnt fascilitate rather extreem changes in cognition and your vision, even audio, I dont think you have any idea what your looking for and likely never will, even If you become scared shitless by some massive dose. Thats just my opinion.


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: stemmer]
    #5328248 - 02/22/06 02:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

mecreateme i am literally going to take your advice about 6 months from now. if i get other feelings other than visuals then you will proove me wrong


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: the_psychonaut]
    #5328327 - 02/22/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

*sigh* dosing 10g's to regain a feeling that your disappointed about not getting... Anyone else see this ending badly?


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: the_psychonaut]
    #5328759 - 02/22/06 05:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Prove what, huh? You lost me buddy. And the ten gram thing was more as a joke, but if you think you need it go for it. Don't take it over a stupid thing like proving anything. Take it for yourself, and yourself only. Also don't be around anybody that will freak out(90% of all people you know, trippers included) when they see you acting so strange.

And do you not already understand about preconceptions while going into a trip? You do know it is influenced by what you think or may not think will happen. That is why it is easier to flow through the trip than try and get somewhere while on one, or achieve "magic" that you speak of. If it is going to come, it will, if not , it won't.

Also, I would step up a little to like seven, eight, or nine grams first. Hell sometimes, an eighth can be equal to those high doses. Really depends on the shrooms. They are all variable. So be careful in the dosage area. If anything, I would reccomend playing around with different doses, not just going for as high of one as you can. Shrooms are not like medicine in that you can take desired amount to achieve certain effect.


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: StickyWater]
    #5328817 - 02/22/06 05:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i know exactly what you are talking about.  and i will say that it comes back :wink: it isnt gone forever.  it is definitely all about SET AND SETTING. that is key. your mood is key. do not 'expect' anything, because then you will only set yourself up for disappointment.

Do not think to yourself "i wont feel any magic :frown: " because that right there is what i mean by setting yourself up for disappointment.  Instead, think of that magic before you nibble the shrooms and have your mind set on that. This is simply preparing your mind to drift to that awesome vibe you want to be feeling.  Whats the difference? well one you just expect, and the other you are actually preparing the mind.

i hope this works for you if you give it a try. but always remember, it is your state of mind. so focus on what you want to feel, it helps a great deal.


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Re: TOTAL LOSS of magic [Re: Mushroom_Mike]
    #5332876 - 02/23/06 08:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ok, first thing im going to say is i dont do any drugs for anybody else but myself, especially to proove anything to somebody!

i always trip alone, and i said what i said, but what i really ment it like i need to up the dose dramaticly, because ive gradually went up from 1.5, and have always gone up each time. i think now it may be because i only slightly upped it each time, so i could not really tell the difference between my doses in the long run. i really want to try a deprivation tank, but i cant find a place that has one, and cant afford one :X


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