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OfflineKachooflex
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flashback i think.....
    #5320793 - 02/20/06 05:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

hey whats up everyone, i tried mushrooms about two and a half months ago for the very first time. i guess they were decent because the stems were small and white with blue streaks and the caps ranged from penny sized to quarter sized with a brownish color. anyways i took approx. 3.5 grams all at once and then hotboxed my buddies car with 2 blunts and listend to "no quarter" by led zepplin (this song seemed mind blowingly awsome.)i was fine untill i went into the house and there was a lot of people and i got paranoid and began hallucinating pretty badly and hearing all sorts of non sense. i felt like i was trapped in time and i was getting evil vibes from everyone but i kept telling myself it was all just part of the trip. well i ended up leaving, still trippin, and i called up one of my buddies and told him i was in bad shape and i needed someone to look after me so i met up with him relaxed, i wish i would have known to trip with people i absolutely trust. over all it was a 50/50, good/bad trip. anyways what this builds up to is what i have come to call a "flashback." now ever since that time i hve been smoking pretty much on a daily basis, i dont smoke ciggarettes, theyre bad for u lol. yesterday 2/19 i met up with a couple buddies and we smoked a big 2.5 gram blunt and five minutes after smoking the blunt i started noticing that everything i looked at had a weird, familiar look to them. then it hit me, i felt like i was trapped in a loop, extreme feeling of daejavoo, i have no idea how to spell that lol, time seemed to stand still, and everything i looked at seemed to have a mirror effect. this lasted for about 15 minutes then i came back and i felt as though i was coming down from an intense trip, which i rememberd the feeling from my first trip. that was around 6:35pm. i got dropped off at my car and drove towards my house. two minutes into driving it comes back, i start seeing things but i am able to still tell the difference between fake and real. from there it all slowly goes away ending by about 9pm. the whole time i thought i was either dead, dying, in hell, or going to hell. it was a horrible trip. i dont really know what to make of it, i asked my friends and they say that that kind of thing only happens with drugs like lsd and acid. i dont know, today, 2/20 i smoked a joint and nothing happend, i dont know, im kind of scared and reluctant to try shrooms again, or maybe its the weed?


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: Kachooflex]
    #5320977 - 02/20/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

ya that definitely sounds like a flashback. alot of times when you smoke weed it can bring parts of your previous trips back. It will go away over time if you dont do any more psycedellics. this usually happens to almost everyone who do psycedellics even i have flashbacks occasionaly. you have nothing to worry about it wont doesnt affect your health at all. if you want you can still do shrooms

http://www.drugscope.org.uk/druginfo/dru...Cflashbacks.htm


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: psychonaut_420]
    #5321796 - 02/20/06 09:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

thats such a relief, thanks, so they'll go away but is there any chance that they come back or worsen if i continue to trip?


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: Kachooflex]
    #5325755 - 02/21/06 08:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

they will probably come back occasionaly

but they shouldnt worsen at all if they do then you should lay off the psychedellics for a while


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: psychonaut_420]
    #5325844 - 02/21/06 08:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

The more you trip the more they come back. If you look really closely at your feild of vision its always there from the first time.

If you trip often and dont see them your either the intellectual equivalent of blind, or you see them at all times if you want to. Seeing visuals and having similare feelings as tripping dont come on a blue moon if you have tripped often, nore are they a bad thing.
SHrooms last forever as does anything else, the first part in a long line of lessons you will learn before you die..
If each trip doesnt teach you something new, you missed the point in a way. The concepts should only get bigger and bigger untill you stop or die.


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5325976 - 02/21/06 08:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

eh, I completely disagree with you... I know a lot of people who have done shrooms and never complained about flashbacks... to simply say that if you don't get flashbacks that you're "intellectualy blind" is probably one of the more ignorant things I've ever heard and just generally gives this drug the wrong image to those who have never done it. every once in awhile I'll notice the text on my computer screen start floating around slightly, it's the same kind of thing on shrooms where it looks like something's moving, even though you full well know that it's not... I've also seen this with random pieces of laundry lying around and every once in awhile with other things. I've also had moments where I've had that "I need to do something but nothing feels right" feeling that shrooms can sometimes give... Whether these are actually a result of doing shrooms I couldn't say for sure, but I deffinitely wouldn't rule it out as a possibility... If I remember correctly taking a few days off from drugs all together (yes, even pot) will really help your mind get a grip on you reality, and while this may not completely stop, you can learn to just get used to it and not let it get in the way if/when it doesn happen... Then again, what you described sounded more severe than anything I've had, or maybe you just overexhagerate it a bit because well, it happense when you're worried something might be wrong... When it happense just relax and know that it'll pass

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i asked my friends and they say that that kind of thing only happens with drugs like lsd and acid




first, I hope that was just a typo because you were just typing as you were thinking and not something they actually said, LSD and acid are the same thing, second... Doesn't sound like your friends know all too much about what they're talking about, I'd advise getting a new source of information, there's plenty of good sites out there... This being one of them, erowid.org being another


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5326004 - 02/21/06 08:59 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

see the thing is, is that Ive only tripped once, and the flashback came so unexpectedly and so intensely that i couldn't even function, luckily, i was in the backseat of my buddy's car. i don't know, i don't want to have random flashbacks that could occur at any time, like while I'm driving or in front of my parents. the flashback trip sucked because of a few things, first, i had no idea that it could happen with shrooms, so that surprised the hell out of me, second, it was around 6:30 and i had to be home by like 8 for dinner, i don't know, i just don't like the idea that in order to better the odds for a good trip you must plan it out and that isn't possible with flashbacks. so in my opinion its just asking for bad trips.


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: Kachooflex]
    #5326028 - 02/21/06 09:04 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

NAh stickywater, i think you missed the point. Its just that you notice a difference. Just try 700+ mics of acid, (its a given).

It aint a flashback either and nothing to be afraid of. It just lasts a long time. If youre one of those people who thinks hallucinogens only last for 12 hours at the most, I dont have the energy to disagree with you right now. It would be silly anyways....


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5326192 - 02/21/06 09:50 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i like to keep it herbal but i don't know man...when i was in the car with my 2 buddies, i was all by myself if that makes any sense. they tried talking to me and stuff but i would just say crazy stuff that made no sense. the visuals were incredibly intense and all i heard was jibberish. for about 15 min i was gone, and i cant fully explain where i was. i saw cars go thru other cars images get stuck in my eyes no mater where i looked the same image was there. stuck in time it seemed. and i had only tripped once and that was like three months ago.


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5326194 - 02/21/06 09:51 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, I do believe that drugs do have a more or less set length of duration, but I also feel that after something like that the brain would take more time to piece reality back together than off a single hit or an eigth or something so yeah, in that sense I could see a trip lasting abnormally long, hell after a good sized dose I once found that the afterglow effects were lasting abnormally long, but the idea that the drug could keep affecting you after it's been removed from the body... well... I wont say that's BS, I'm just saying that other than your own claim I've seen nothing to suggest this. I understand where you're coming from though, and I can understand how someone who's done a lot of psychedelics (or even just used a couple of times) could draw that conclusion, personally though I just don't see any logical explanation of that and I generally feel that some thoughts you get while tripping are merely just tripped out thoughts and should not be taken seriousely, at the same time I feel that some thoughts are completely relevant, etc, etc, not going to start a debate about any deeper meanings of trips, etc as I've seen a lot of your posts and well, we're on the same basic level, you just seem more into it than me

And yeah... Personally I wouldn't trust myself on 700+ mics of acid... I've got my problems like the rest of us, I just don't trust how I might react to them on 700+ mics


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: StickyWater]
    #5326259 - 02/21/06 10:08 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Well, once you have done that all after effects become relative.
You can have reality down to a T and you will still see visuals for a long time.

Like if you take ayahuasca at a large dose, you will still see visuals for a long time, but not in the so commonly talked about flashback form. Just all the time If you wanted to.

You do have to be pretty comforitable with tripping to eat a true 700 mics of of pure acid. It is very much like 6 grams of shrooms though. These drugs just seem to have some very strange side effects. If you get over the cognative changes, the visuals go away accordingly, but not entirely.


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: StickyWater]
    #5326284 - 02/21/06 10:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Settle down, all. Now this could potentially be a "flashback", but I don't see any conclusive evidence for that. Sometimes a blunt can really put you out there, and if you aren't expecting it, your mind can turn the high into something entirely different.


Either way, you're absolutely fine. What's possible is that an intense high induced visuals (very possible with just weed) that reminded you of your past trip, which then caused you to instinctively reject the feeling- as it wasn't an entirely great first experience. But that's just my guess. Good luck.


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5326371 - 02/21/06 10:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

There is no real conclusive evidence for a flashback-fact to begin with.
There is good reason to live with the effects for a long time. I hope I dont need to drop some links to prove this. The after effects that are observed most clearly are always there only slowly diminishing over time. SOme dont notice them often unless under stress, or high as hell, they notice them still though.

Thats just how hallucinogens work. If you cant tell how your visual feild is different, then cheers to you. You missed that part of the trip. If, when you smoke pot late at night and you cant see the remanence of your last trip you are missing a part of the puzzle.

This shit sticks......... Im not talking placebo, or "oh im freaking out and having a flashback". Im saying That it is a part of the drugs effects. Its totally normal.

Most people who take the average jungle dwelling aborigal dose of ayahuasca feel it for atleast a year, often not in the form of visuals. They certainly can if they want to though.


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5326411 - 02/21/06 10:55 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

^^^ I tried reading that three times and I still can't figure out to whom it's directed, what it says, and why you'd have that many uninformative posts in such a short amount of time. I don't mean to be an ass, and I'm sorry if I'm coming across as one, but I see nothing but bizarre and nonsensical misinformation from you over and over again.

Please think before typing out nonsense to someone who is seriously worried about their health.


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: AlwaysFlowin]
    #5326464 - 02/21/06 11:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Re-read it big guy. Why be such a snot when you could just learn how to read. What Was I saying? Are you kidding?

IM saying persisting effects are normal, and I said the various ways in which that may be the case. It is most common visually.
Give me a break. DO that or actually read what I had said and attack it from a strategic point in conversation asshole.

Do you have something against articulate people, or do you you just have a problem making sound comments while, "standing up for psychedelics".

Honestly though, if you didnt get what I was saying, then god help you.


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5326515 - 02/21/06 11:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

since your always flowin, do you have anything to say about that?

That persistant after effects are normal?

Im sorry I just find it to be kind of out of line when someone who cant understand perfect english, is(in english) going to tell me why a simple grouping of posts make no sense.
MAy I suggest you get real? and while your at it learn how to read a complex yet small paragraph that is so very full of sentences.


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5326788 - 02/22/06 12:59 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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You do have to be pretty comforitable with tripping to eat a true 700 mics of of pure acid. It is very much like 6 grams of shrooms though.




like 6g's of shrooms? hmmm... That doesn't so intense... Not saying 6g's of shrooms isn't intense, I say first handedly that it is not something to be taken lightly, but I kinda expected the 700 mics of LSD to be much more intense (fully aware that they're 2 different drugs and that they can't *really* be compared accurately), never done acid so I'm just going off what I've heard from other people which I realize is probably pretty misleading considering all the crazy and flat out bullshit stories surround LSD, not to mention that drugs are one of those things that can't be understood until you've tried it type of thing but still...


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Re: flashback i think..... [Re: stemmer]
    #5327211 - 02/22/06 06:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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stemmer said:
since your always flowin, do you have anything to say about that?

That persistant after effects are normal?

Im sorry I just find it to be kind of out of line when someone who cant understand perfect english, is(in english) going to tell me why a simple grouping of posts make no sense.
MAy I suggest you get real? and while your at it learn how to read a complex yet small paragraph that is so very full of sentences.




Two to three years ago I would have picked this apart. But I'm glad to say I've matured a bit since then. Stemmer, you're missing the point. My original post in this thread was meant to help a new Shroomerite in understanding what possibly happened to him.

Did I say it was NOT a flashback? No. I said there didn't seem to be any conclusive evidence to that. Now just because I said that, doesn't mean I was saying anything against you. You were the one who assumed my first post was negative (which isn't anywhere close to being true).

I really don't have too much more to say to you other than- grow up. I have nothing against you, and I think you're really being stubborn here.

The fact of the matter remains- he may or may not have had a flashback (which I said in my first post). Either way he is fine, and I was simply trying to create good discussion by throwing another possibility out there. So relax. And your posts, well, they are far from being comprehensible.


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