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Got Crystal ?
    #5319814 - 02/20/06 12:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Extraction has long been an interest to me. Over the last couple months I've been conducting a series of experiments trying to determine the best method. My last extraction was done with 30g. and methanol first soak then ethanol/water second soak (12h/24h). Filtered liquids where combined and placed in the garage to evap under a fan. It's winter now and quite cold. When I checked on it several hours later I noticed that there was a white precipitate falling out of the solution and it had only reduced in volume by about 1/3. It was like it was snowing inside the beaker. I think the cold temps helped to facilitate this. Small crystals where starting to collect on the bottom of the beaker. However after all the solvent was evaporated off I was left with a considerable amount of brown goo. Which came as a surprise even After vacuum filtering through a fine filter paper which was supposed to eliminate the goo. So in a desperate attempt to salvage the extraction I redissolved it in some water/ethanol and placed back in the garage this time without the fan. The goo quickly dissolved in the solution but I noticed a couple crystals that where larger than usual and did not dissolve easily. I was not concerned because I figured they would just act as seed crystals. To my surprise when I checked the next day there where several crystals forming on the bottom of the beaker. over the next several days with slow evaporation they continued to grow into what I have pictured below. Three grams total after drying and very easy to handle. For my next experiment I'm going to try using a piece of these crystals as seed crystals in a new extraction with slow evaporation in cold temps (like making rock candy with sugar water) to see if I can duplicate the results.

Sorry forgot to mention they are the result of 30g. of mushroom powder.




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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5319821 - 02/20/06 12:38 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Cool, DMT?


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5319822 - 02/20/06 12:39 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

nice work, but what are they? you dont mention what kind of crystals they are :smile:


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: giz]
    #5319829 - 02/20/06 12:42 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Good lord thats cool!


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5319862 - 02/20/06 12:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Psilocybin crystals hopefully!


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5319905 - 02/20/06 01:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

why are they brown


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5319908 - 02/20/06 01:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

That is fucking awsome!!!!!


in awe :laugh:  great work !


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: Schwip]
    #5320045 - 02/20/06 01:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yes, i'm curious too.

Was this extraction of psilocybin?


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    #5320072 - 02/20/06 02:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Edited by Yrtlzmo (02/07/13 03:26 AM)


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5320107 - 02/20/06 02:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Wow congrads, that is impressive

:crazy2: :mushroom2:


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5320204 - 02/20/06 02:43 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

nice crystals!

but 3g from 30g of mushrooms... that's 10% --> I wonder what's in those crystals :rolleyes:


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: stefan]
    #5320233 - 02/20/06 02:54 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

he never said what type of "crystals" he was talking about...


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: stefan]
    #5320251 - 02/20/06 03:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

impressive and ver interesting...


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: chuck_lanuck]
    #5320271 - 02/20/06 03:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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chuck_lanuck said:
he never said what type of "crystals" he was talking about...




Oh really...

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lovepalace:
Psilocybin crystals hopefully!




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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: abrad84]
    #5320318 - 02/20/06 03:25 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

abrad84 said:
Quote:

chuck_lanuck said:
he never said what type of "crystals" he was talking about...




Oh really...

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lovepalace:
Psilocybin crystals hopefully!







Haha, didn't even see that. duh. :stoned:


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5320395 - 02/20/06 03:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Cool!


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: Kingkole]
    #5320462 - 02/20/06 04:01 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Nice, but I too wonder what on earth is in there. I posted a guide from triptamine recently for quality psilocybin crystal extraction using vitamin C. It doesn't really stay stable otherwise. Good luck...


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5320464 - 02/20/06 04:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

um yeah cool n stuff but why did you assume you were going to get crystals w/ just an alcohol extration and evaporating? and filtering is not going to yeild you a pure product free of impurities...


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: A0999]
    #5320556 - 02/20/06 04:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

smoke it and tell us. :bongload: :discodance:


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: stefan]
    #5320589 - 02/20/06 04:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

For those who are not familiar with alcohol extractions it goes like this .

grind shrooms into a powder and soak in alcohol.
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then filter and evaporate off the alcohol to end up with this.
[image][/image]

which can then be put into a gel cap or redissolved into alcohol (vodka) and consumed.
[image][/image]

The extractions are easy to perform and are effective at removing the alkaloids. However the efficiency and consistency of the final product can vary considerably. The problem is that the alcohol also extracts some other fats and oils from the shrooms which results in a sticky brown tar. This tar makes the crystals hard to work with and the amount of tar varies with each batch. Even with good filtration. Also the crystals appear to be hygroscopic and absorb moisture from the air. so if it is not consumed in a short amount of time or stored in alcohol or a desiccant container it will melt back into a goo and become inactive. Efficiency and storage are why most people don't bother. It takes time and money and the end results can vary. So the idea that I am working on is to somehow remove the tar or the crystals from the solution yielding a purer more stable product. You can see in this picture that the crystals precipitate out of the alcohol easily enough.
[image][/image]

this was the remaining water/alcohol after the crystals where removed
[image][/image]

which then turned into this
[image][/image]

If you look at the crystals in the first post you will see aside from a little brown residue on the some of the crystals they are quite clear. They are not sticky and quite easy to handle.

Now these are obviously not pure that is not the objective. however a reduction from 30 g. to 3.g is a good start. Based on this information 30 g. should contain about .7% psilocybin that would be about 200mg. so my 3g. crystals should be about 7% pure (I think). My 30g. powder would be about 8 3.5g. doses which I know the effects of in both powder and tea form. so if I consume about 375mg. of these crystals hopefully it will have about the same effect. I'll test in the next week. Then I will eat the brown tar and see if anything happens. If I am lucky the crystals will contain all the goodies and the goo will contain none. Time will tell.


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5320817 - 02/20/06 05:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Search for the guide I posted if you're interested in actually getting 200mg of crystal as oppposed to the grams you got. It should also be a bit more stable. All the alcohol extracts I've seen get crystal have gone pretty weak with a week or so.


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5320864 - 02/20/06 05:36 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What about adding a seed crystal, like maybe a grain of salt. Or a grain of dmt?


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5320991 - 02/20/06 06:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

elgr Is this the one?
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elgr said:
You'd need lye, xylene, ascorbic acid, vinegar, MgSO4. Vitamin C seems to be the secret trick to allowing the psilocin to stay stable once extracted into crystal form; a problem that makes it not worth extracting to most people.

Here's triptamine's tek... hopefully he doesn't mind. Though of course I'll remove it if he does.
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The following method described shows an easy method to isolate pure psilocin from fungus in less than 4 hours. If a more pure product is wanted, the fairly pure psilocin can be recrystallized to produce large pure crystals.

20 grams of dried fungus is powdered in a coffee grinder to a fine powder. This is added to a glass container (~500 ml) along with 200 ml of distilled water and 40 ml distilled white vinegar (5% acidity). ~200 mg of vitamin C was also added to keep the psilocin from decomposing. This mixture was allowed to stir at room temperature for 1 hour and then the container was placed in a bath of boiling water to heat the mixture to 70 degrees C. After the mixture reached this temperature, it is filtered through multiple coffee filters (3-4 is good) and the filtered (be sure to squeeze out all the juice!) liquid is set into a cold water bath to cool it down. The extracted fungus is recovered and put into another container along with 150 ml water and 20 ml vinegar. This is again heated to 70 degrees C and then filtered as before. The filtrate is again cooled down and then added to the 1st extraction. The combined filtrates should give somewhere around 300 ml of liquid. Add about 30 ml of chloroform (xylene should also work, as psilocin is soluble in this as well) and begin stirring gently (you don't want emulsions, do you?). While stirring, SLOWLY add NaOH solution (~10 % NaOH is fine). I would suggest a drop by drop addition, as the pH can raise rapidly after a certain point. Target pH is 8, just try not to go over pH 9, as the alkaloids can decompose pretty fast at high pH. After the pH is at 8-9, continue to stir gently for about 20 minutes (electric stirrers are nice) and the psilocin will migrate into the chloroform (or xylene) layer. This is poured into a separatory funnel (or something similar) and the bottom chloroform layer is removed and set aside. The water layer is again stirred and 15 ml of chloroform is added for a second extraction. After 20 minutes of stirring, this is again separated in a separatory funnel and the chloroform recovered. These two chloroform extracts are combined and put into a small beaker. To this beaker, anhydrous MgSO4 is added (just oven dry Epsom salts in an oven at 450 degrees F for about an hour) to absorb any water. Usually only a gram or so is needed. Stir the chloroform with the MgSO4 for a minute or so and then filter through a "good quality" filter paper so you catch all the fine particles. The resulting chloroform layer will have a light yellow color. Now you have two choices:

You can evap the chloroform quickly to yield a fairly pure psilocin powder, or let it evaporate slowly to get larger and more pure crystals. Recrystallization can be carried out with methanol or a 3:1 heptane:chloroform. The recrystallized material is very pure and 20 mg is equivalent to 4-5 grams of mushrooms. Average yield for this method is about 60 mg of pure crystals (after recrystallization). The crystals do decompose at room temperature over time. The yellow crystals turn green in about a week or so if left out. To preserve the psilocin, put ~50 mg of psilocin in a small container and add ~50 mg ascorbic acid and 20 ml water. The psilocin will dissolve, but it does so slowly. You now have a solution with 2.5 mg psilocin per ml. This can be stored for many months in the refrigerator (possibly longer). An interesting note is that this "psilocin water" can be evaporated to give white needle crystals which don't seem to degrade at room temperature. Perhaps this is the way to stabilization!
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And, the material was indeed tested.
Here's a shot of the final cystal from the 20 grams.
http://www.thenook.org/forum/uploads/post-14-1105465100.jpg

Hopefully this will lay to rest all the problems everyone here and at mycotopia have had with. A. rarely getting crystal and B. problems with it degrading.




I read that one before. Sounds cool however those chemicals are not always easy to find. And this part "Add about 30 ml of chloroform (xylene should also work, as psilocin is soluble in this as well)" does not make sense to me. I read another tech that said to wash first with chloroform and then acetone before extracting in alcohol to yield a purer product. Because psilocybin is not soluble in either of those. So which is it?

I would be willing to test this tech if I can get my hands on some chloroform!


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: lovepalace]
    #5321049 - 02/20/06 06:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Get xylene, like it says. Any hardware store. These are all OTC chems, same as a dmt or mesc extraction with a couple more to keep the fragile psilocin stable, so read up on ekstaza's tek, then learn the few things you need to add in here.

Freebase psilocybin is soluble in xylene, I believe, and the salt is soluble in water, that's the whole nature of the extract. The salt, like you read, is not soluble in xylene. So, you basify it.

Anyone can do it if they get a firm grasp of the concept and safety issues.


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Re: Got Crystal ? [Re: Koala Koolio]
    #5321059 - 02/20/06 06:28 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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