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Re: The Abstract Machine [Re: seeker]
    #5331591 - 02/23/06 02:53 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

If you want to simplify your life completely down to the bare bone, google "deductive reasoning" and "Occam's razor".

Perhaps you are looking for the pure, unadulterated essence of life?

Some one here has to understand where you're coming from.

Its sounds like you want to cut through all of the bull of words, labels and forms, with more words, labels and forms.

The thing I have found that cuts through the words, labels and forms, is "quietly listening" to the inaudible of life.

:peace: :heart:


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Re: The Abstract Machine [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5332045 - 02/23/06 05:06 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Are you some sort of school counselor?

Seriously, if you wanted to have a personal conversation on adjusted balance and positive life force you could have just sent a PM; it probably would have been a much shorter and fulfilling exchange.

I'm trying to discuss how the abstractions of common language and the thought process with regards to society and the individual have become disconnected from the physical existence. If you want to talk about emotional orientation and its affect on the mental process than start another topic and go for it, but stop posting off topic.

The human mind is a computer that is programmed through the binary sensations of pain and pleasure. Abstractions were formed through these and then further abstracted into complexity. So far love does seem to be the most direct abstraction, and maybe it has a polar opposite maybe it doesn't, but it is derived from positive and negative physical sensation, so, for the love of god, stop nitpicking.

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Re: The Abstract Machine [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5332056 - 02/23/06 05:11 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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That's love, being infinitely full of the positive. It has the power to accept and cancel out all negative values and even turn them into positive ones.

If your personal inner wealth account is in the negatives( no positive love), you are as weak as weak gets. To have power, you have to either, borrow and OWE, ask another to just give it to you, or steal it. Most people who are far gone into the spectrum of no positive love, opt to steal it, because their sense of confidence and hope is so shot, they are beyond believing one will even give it to them if they just ask for it or a loan.

The way to rebuild your personal power is through building up positive love resources from within.





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Re: The Abstract Machine [Re: seeker]
    #5332075 - 02/23/06 05:19 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

Seeker,

If you havn't noticed, the whole thread from the first reply was a discussion about the polar opposites of hate and love before I jumped in one THAT discussion going on here.

Perhaps it took all of that for you to gain better clarity on what it was you wanted to discuss. Go back and look at your first post and how the thread developed.

Don't blame me for waiting until page 5 to get your own thread back to where you want it, after you went in the direction it did with others before I even joined in.

And, you're welcome! :cool:

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Re: The Abstract Machine [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5332186 - 02/23/06 06:04 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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Why not break it down to the simplest abstract of Love or positive power. (same thing to me)




This is the only contribution you've made to the discussion, and thats all you had to say. So, unless you have something else to add on topic, please stop posting.


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Re: The Abstract Machine [Re: seeker]
    #5334760 - 02/24/06 02:21 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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He would have never learned balance with nature if he had not first tried to conquer it.




I disagree. It isn't necessary to attempt to subject one's will over nature in order to understand the concept of balance with nature. Your reference to "He" belies the fact that different groups of humans developed differently in different areas, and that many cultures understood and respected the concept of keeping a balance with nature.

It logically follows that, if one sustains their very life from the water, plants, and animals present within one's environment, and if one is interested in continuing one's survival within one's environment, it is thus necessary to maintain the quality and survival of these aspects of one's environment one sustains themselves from. No vain struggle agansit this reasonable understanding requied for realization. :lol:

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For example take disease.  We hate it and constantly search to wipe it out whatever it may be.  Whether or not this is "healthy" is debatable, but it certainly has an influence on the common language and thought.




We hate it? I personally realize the nature of disease and fully accept its reality, and prefer to not ruin my emotional experience and blur my direct perception of reality by inflicting myself with negative, emotional reactions agansit the concept of disease.

Taking necessary action agansit the flourishment of aspects of one's environment that are not beneficial to the survival of one's life and one's species does not necessarily imply that one emotionally hates these aspects.

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Re: The Abstract Machine [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5334805 - 02/24/06 02:42 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

ring around the rosey
pockets full of posies
ashes , ashes
we all fall down


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Re: The Abstract Machine [Re: seeker]
    #5334816 - 02/24/06 02:47 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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I'm trying to discuss how the abstractions of common language and the thought process with regards to society and the individual have become disconnected from the physical existence. If you want to talk about emotional orientation and its affect on the mental process than start another topic and go for it, but stop posting off topic.





is not the disconnection or connection from or of physical existence the direct result of ones level of emotional detachments or attachments?


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Re: The Abstract Machine [Re: fresh313]
    #5334859 - 02/24/06 03:10 PM (16 years, 3 months ago)

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ring around the rosey
pockets full of posies
ashes , ashes
we all fall down




Poetic expressions involving the bubonic plauge should be put to death metal musikk. :headbang:

Its not like you'd understand the lyrics anyways. :wink: :evil:

:headbang: :headbang: :headbang: :satansmoking:
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If I should die this very moment
I wouldn't fear
For I've never known completeness
Like being here
Wrapped in the warmth of you
Loving every breath of you

:heartpump: :bunnyhug: :yinyang:

:yinyang: :levitate: :earth: :levitate: :yinyang:


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Re: The Abstract Machine [Re: seeker]
    #5344831 - 02/27/06 12:39 PM (16 years, 2 months ago)

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seeker said:
And, by the way Blue Coyote:

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Define it like: 'Turn towards' contra 'avoidance'.
Definitely based as chemicals and brainfunctions, too.




Any expansion on this would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Peace ..V,



Sorry I am late. Look for the dopaminic reward-system and the mechanism of curiosity versa the aversion reactions of the vegetative nervous-system aka stress, leading our attention. For the sources I would have to dig it out again, too. :heart:


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