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seeker said:
pain and pleasure become love and hate

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Pain is simply pain and it exists by its own accord. It is when one fears pain that one may begin to hate that which is responsible for the infliction of pain. The hatred would inevitably spring forth as a reaction to prevent that which one fears from occuring.

It is entirely possible to experience pain and to not begin to hate or fear anything at all. I do not hate or fear my boxcutter, with which I have cut myself a couple of times, and I do not hate or fear anything as the result of a loved one dying. Fear and subsequent hatred are mental reactions to a specific experience that, in my personal opinion, cause far more negative experience and suffering than one could ever hope to prevent by them.


Peace.

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seeker said:
I concede that love and hate could be further abstractions from even simpler concepts, but if hate comes from fear, than love comes from what?

How about:
                           
          (+)accept---(+/-)---fear(-)

or

          (+)-----------(+/-)--------(-)
          embrace---accept---fear

Thoughts?

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I have some and I'll keep it easy to relate too.

FW equated love with being in your fullness. I see that as being in your full power.

Which is a full bank account of vital life force energy?

O++++++++++++++++++++++++->infinity

OR

O-------------------------->infinity

Negative numbers have zero power.

When powerless, were helpless , hopeless and afraid, particularly when faced wit a threat. Negative values have no cushion for accepting more negative values and can okay. They get worse and more in the hole.

If you are in your infinite positive power, the negatives can keep coming at you and you can keep fulfilling them from your infinite positive value power supply.

When powerful, we feel able to help the self and others, hopeful, and confident, even when faced with any threat.

That's love, being infinitely full of the positive. It has the power to accept and cancel out all negative values and even turn them into positive ones.

If your personal inner wealth account is in the negatives( no positive love), you are as weak as weak gets. To have power, you have to either, borrow and OWE, ask another to just give it to you, or steal it. Most people who are far gone into the spectrum of no positive love, opt to steal it, because their sense of confidence and hope is so shot, they are beyond believing one will even give it to them if they just ask for it or a loan.

The way to rebuild your personal power is through building up positive love resources from within.

This has nothing to do with equality balance.

What good is a bank account with $50 credit and a $50 debit? It's value is ZERO. Its useless.

What use is the equal balance of good and bad. Are you eating healthy and maintaining a vital body when you eat half fresh fruit(good)  and half spoiled fruit (bad)?

Are you drinking healthy when you drink a glass full of half fresh pure water and half stagnant polluted water?

Are you breathing healthy reviatlizing air if you suck in half pure and fresh air and half pollutted air?

This idea of being in equal balance of half good/bad, right/wrong, positive/negative is not healthy or keeping one vital.

Are you in a healthy relationship when you get hit and abused only half of the time?

The balance to strive for and be in is the center of positive infinity moving in and out from you in all directions. Thats being in the power of love.

Love is just a label that to many people have tied up with romantic notions.

Positive power is what we are talking about here. Some call that the power of love.

There is no power in a negative. Some call that the powerlessness of fear. It can only get power from off of others, by asking for it, borrowing it or stealing it.

The rotten food will rob from your vital energy and eat away at you, the foul water will rob from your vital energy and eat away at you, an abusive person will rob vital energy and eat away at you and same with foul air , foul thoughts and foul feelings.

Negative states and negative people, rob from and eat away at life.

A negative person, out of positive power and moving further out of the power of love and further into fear begins to act like a black hole. Same with a negative bank account that never has positive numbers added to it. It just falls deeper into the proverbial hole.

There is no positive value or power in the negative. Why would any one want to balance it into their life equation?

Being all positive does not put one out of balance. One that is full of the positive whole (love) has nowhere to fall.

Being pulled away from your positive center into the negatives throws your balance off. Fear throws us off balance and into instability. 

If you catch it happening, add more positive to the negative account until you get back up into the positives again. Thats where your stability is found just like with money. Only here, apply your thoughts and feelings to negative and positive numbers and yourself as the generator of thoughts and feelings (positive or negative cash flow) being your personal wealth account that you draw from.

Thats where expressions like people being mentally, emotionally or spiritually bankrupt come from.

It's time to redefine what a healthy balance is.

Consciousness is going digital. We have no need for a negative to create a positive color print and it's time to ditch them. We never really did need them. The positive color print was always there. We just had to evolve and learn how to capture it with the use of the negative to realize it. 

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BlueCoyote said:
"...To have power, you have to either, borrow and OWE, ask another to just give it to you, or steal it..." [If one is weak, you say]

Hmmm..sorry, completely reedited my post due to structural mixation of content, still lacking words

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You took that out of context. I said, that is the case when you are in the NEGATIVES and staying negative.

Of course when you are in the negatives, you can repower your own self with postives. I talked about that too.

In the sentence you grabbed, that was referring to those in the negative that REFUSE to be their own generating source of positive income (energy).

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I have some and I'll keep it easy to relate too.

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Not using that many abstractions you won't, but hey, thats exactly the issue I'm trying to explore, so, um, thanks, I guess.

I will write up a proper response to your post, but I'm going to need a little time, and maybe some drugs, to flesh out something that furthers the topic and doesn't come off as a simple 'Nuh uh'( though I do agree, I think, with some of what your saying), so, like, stay tuned.

And, by the way Blue Coyote:

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Define it like: 'Turn towards' contra 'avoidance'.
Definitely based as chemicals and brainfunctions, too.

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The only abstract worth working with is love/positive power.

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we hate what we fear

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