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OfflineLocus
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    #4997761 - 11/30/05 09:05 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

hey, its fucked up that id even have to make a post about this but my parents are insane and they keep threatening me with hospitalization.. they said all theyd have to do is get my family doctor to sign something and then id be forced against my will.. they said theyd claim schizophrenia i think.. i only overheard that part.. is that really even possible? they truly believe they can do it.. im 20 yrs old and i most definitely am not schizo..

and on top of that ive still got the fucking pain that no one can figure out that started all of this and thats why theyd claim that i have schizophrenia because the pain cant be figured out and they have the family doctor on their side saying its somehow all in my mind..fucking so aggravating..


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Edited by Locus (11/30/05 09:52 AM)


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Re: committed ?s [Re: Locus]
    #4997803 - 11/30/05 09:27 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

have you sleeping problems? constantant thought loops? do you hear voices? unexplainable fear? lowered appetite?

of course if doing drugs it could be because of them, so you should stop for a while and then you will see.


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Re: committed ?s [Re: e3k]
    #4997856 - 11/30/05 09:54 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

no of course not.. i dont have any of that stuff.. im fine.. ive even seen psychologists because of this pain and theyve said im fine too..
i really want to be informed of the law concerning something like this.. is it really possible to do this without like going to court and everything.. cus im really just an innocent person here that has had horrid pain for years now that i dont know what to do about.. to have me hospitalized for that would just be ridiculous though..


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The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. ~ Albert Einstein
"Fear is the great barrier to human growth." ~ Dr. Robert Monroe



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Re: committed ?s [Re: Locus]
    #4997866 - 11/30/05 09:59 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

You're 20. Why are you still with your parents? Do you have an unhealthy attachment to them?


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Re: committed ?s [Re: Icelander]
    #4999661 - 11/30/05 05:49 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

hell no. i cant fucking stand them. they're horrible people. i'd have left when i was fifteen if i could. but thats when this whole pain thing started and it basically restricts me to a bed most of the day.


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Re: committed ?s [Re: Locus]
    #4999741 - 11/30/05 06:13 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

My experience with these things which is extensive is that when the doctors can't find a physical cause then there is a strong emotional/psychic one. My 2 cents.

Big challenge for you. Good luck.


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Re: committed ?s [Re: Icelander]
    #4999827 - 11/30/05 06:34 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

yes, i am aware of that.. but mentally im fine and the pain is unlike others with psychosomatic problems. its totally physical in that when my back bone is against something and theres pressure against it it hurts a lot to the point where i cant sit past like 15 minutes and if im just laying down or standing up its fine. ive been through complete hell with this. complete hell. it ruined my life. looking back i should have killed myself when this all began because its been nothing but more and more pain as i got older trying to fight it and doing everything i possibly could to do so and having nothing work.

anyway, this wasnt what i wanted to talk about and i wanted to know about the law around committing someone and if its possible to do so to someone like me without going through a vast array of procedures.. a friend of mine said theyd have to petition to take me to court and win that and then go on to do something else and then they could finally put me away.. in that case i wouldnt worry about it, but if they can just sign something and im in then thats ridiculous..


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The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. One cannot help but be in awe when he contemplates the mysteries of eternity, of life, of the marvelous structure of reality. It is enough if one tries merely to comprehend a little of this mystery every day. Never lose a holy curiosity. ~ Albert Einstein
"Fear is the great barrier to human growth." ~ Dr. Robert Monroe



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Re: committed ?s [Re: Locus]
    #4999869 - 11/30/05 06:45 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

It seems unlikely that they can have you committed without symptoms. But in this corrupt world they might be able to find some sick doctor to lie about it. When your life is not in your control it's always dangerous. Good luck.

The best advice I ever got around this sort of thing is to be proactive in your own behalf. Don't wait for them to act.


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Edited by Icelander (11/30/05 06:46 PM)


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Re: committed ?s [Re: Icelander]
    #5000395 - 11/30/05 08:57 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

have you ever gone to acupuncture or reiki?

it sounds like maybe it's an energy problem if there's no physical cause and you can't discern a mental cause.

what about yoga, also?

anyway, if you are underage they could have you comitted pretty easily but i don't think they can just do it now without being able to prove something.

but you have to be real careful what you admit if they force you in to a meantal health place to talk to a counselor, if you say the wrong things the counselor can have you comitted for a little while.

(like for example me mentioning that i once put a knife up to my throat...... long story.... ended in 3 days in the youth ward of a hospital)


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Re: committed ?s [Re: leery11]
    #5000867 - 11/30/05 11:04 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

this pain, is it on the base of your tailbone? can u feel a little bump there? do you know what your condition is actually called?

i have a condition called PCD, pilonidal cyst disease, where theres a pain on my tailbone and a little bump, and it usually hurts whenever im sitting, but occasionally it has gotten infected and swelled to the point where i couldnt walk and it hurt to lie on my stomach or back or side and i was in constant pain. but then it drains and its back to annoying status

dont know if its the same thing or not

and no, they cant call in some men in white coats to take you away in a straight jacket. they can't commit you against your will. no need to worry about that


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Re: committed ?s [Re: walkclothed]
    #5001342 - 12/01/05 03:25 AM (18 years, 2 months ago)

My friend had the same thing walkclothed..

I assume you've gotten x-ray's and all that jazz? I would get a full 360 degree xray taken or at least some from different angles (if you haven't already).

I went to the dentist for years taking xrays and everything was seemingly normal with my mouth. Then I went to the orthodontist to see about getting braces, and they took a full 360 degree x-ray and it turns out I had a huge cyst in my jaw that the dentists didn't even see.

As far as your parents go, I can't imagine how frustrating that must be. The best advice I can give you is to stay level headed when you're around them or anyone affiliated with them so that it doesn't further this schizophrenic crap.

Take leary's advice and perhaps see an acupuncturist and get some reiki. Don't have anything to lose by doing this.

Good luck.


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Re: committed ?s [Re: Locus]
    #5039530 - 12/09/05 01:33 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

thanks you guys.. its nice to have some support for this stuff.. im really going through a tough time.. ive been going through a really hard time for the last five years, but it seems even more difficult than its been in a while now..

i have tried acupuncture and it didnt help much unfortunately, ive tried just about everything you could think of.. i havent tried hypnosis yet though and i havent had a 360 degree of different position type xrays.. things like that i end up looking into and wanting to try it and my dad just shrugs it off and says there will be no difference anyway and that he wont allow me to do it..

and about the committing bullshit.. my parents and the family doctor i went to with them said to me he can do that and will do it if they want to and all they needed was two signatures from psychologists which they said they got also since the doctor just asked them and they did it.. they truly believe they can do this so its not like theyre just threatening me.. if they cant then they're mistaken but it seems as if they truly believe they can and they might do it..
they must have got sigs from psychologists i never talked to or analyzed me at all.. if it was one of the ones that talked to me for a few months which i was also basically forced to do then i know for sure they wouldnt sign something like that.. the last one i was with had a decent relationship with me and it was mostly about trying to change my parents and he agreed and tried to help because he knew i was fine and theyre pretty fucked up..

fuck.. im so sick of all the bullshit.. its pretty ironic too since my parents are both basically insane and myself and my siblings are a hell of a lot more level headed and intelligent than the both of them.

my dad actually forced me to go on accutane when i was 15 also and i was so against that because of all the side effects but eventually he wouldnt let me not take it anymore and soon after being on it for a little while the pain began and ive always had the question in the back of my mind if it was from that and im just fucked for life because of my dad doing that.. even though doctors have said its probably not from that.. well thats not fucking good enough for me.. probably?? and even if it was that it would be so fucking hard to ever accept that cus itd hurt so much.. whatever, i dont even want to think about that, its too fucked up..anyway..and now im off pain meds but still have a huge tolerance and id be in wd if i dont take anything so thats ahead of using them for the actual pain.. so now im going on suboxone to try and get off painkillers and i got so much shit for my parents for that as well.. i mean i dont even know where to start if i was to share all the other shit im dealing with.. i still cannot believe im dealing with a fucking idiot doctor and parents that are both trying to fucking commit me when im more mentally stable than all of them.. what can i say.. its just fucking insanity.. and ive been through five years of having to stay in this house with these assholes while my life wasted away and i wasted away and everything i wanted and want to do wastes away and im subjected to so much shit from my parents when i never should have or should be.. and i wouldnt fucking be here if it werent for this fucking pain.. if i could just have a fucking body that worked right..

they even put me on antidepressants that were like huge doses of two and three at the same fucking time which made me gain like 60 pounds and have every fucking side effect you could think of.. that was a while ago and ive since recovered back to normal but they're constantly trying to get me back on those cus no matter what i say i felt theyre like no we saw that you were so much better.. wtf you assholes.. i was the one on it.. not you.. i think i fucking know how bad i felt..

i did get some relief from my back pain on one med but im sure that was from the pain relief effects that antidepressants can have and not a mental relation as my mental state and feelings have absolutely no relation to how my back pain is.. thats why its even more ridiculous to hear this crap from the doctor saying well i think it is all depression and you're not right in the head and thats why you dont go out and function in society.. you fucking asshole, are you kidding me.. i fucking told you how it works, im also not agorophobic either as he also said.. its simple fucking logic.. i have to stay in bed because the pain is most manageable that way as the bone is not being pushed up against a chair or whatever position against something.. hes like.. nope.. i dont think so.. i think you just dont want to go out of the house and function in society and be with people.. you idiot.. dude.. it pisses me off so much too cus ive never once had any of these problems theyre trying to say i have and i dont have them now and id be totally fine if i could just fucking have this pain not be there when im sitting or bending and such..
god damn it..its so fucking aggravating..


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Re: committed ?s [Re: Locus]
    #5039997 - 12/09/05 03:26 PM (18 years, 2 months ago)

as for the comitted questions, i think that the most they can do to you is commit you if you are an imminent danger to yourself or to oothers. if they do commit you it will be for an observation period.

Listen to this very carefully.

If they do commit you. act completely normal, protest your being there but do not act out, or agressive. it will only keep you tere longer. eieve me i know. if they are talking about this commiting thing iw oudl go and calla lawyer right away, i tink that family law is what you would need. your freedom is an important thing.

what else can you tell us aobut yourl iving situation. problems in the home and so on that may also be a part of this comitting problem, and why they think that you are having problems.

what did you tell the therapist they made you see?


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Re: committed ?s [Re: Locus]
    #5318628 - 02/20/06 03:18 AM (18 years, 7 days ago)

medicines can do that. My friend took aterol for ADHD and he wound up really farsighted and it stunted his growth. I looked into it and his family history is no vision problems in the last 5 generations, and both his parents are tall.

my mom had soome trouble in her wrist a couple of years back, and her skin started thickening, and she sarted getting nauseous, but they just said that it was a repetitive stress injury. then they gave here prednesone, whch she stated in her file that she is mildly allergic to, and that screwed up her blood pressure. soon she was unable to pee and started retaining water, but at her annual physical, the doc gave her a clean bill of health. two weeks later, she was in the hospital for kidney failiure and was being fed salty, phosphorus-laden foods. this was about a year ago. now she has 25% kidney function and is off of dialysis (by some stroke of god). I sued and the rather incompetent doctor paid through the nose. the hospital haqd to pay damages for the diet that likely contributed to the failiure. we had been told that there was no possibility of all of these problems being anything as serious as what they turned out to be. moral of the story: ALWAYS FIGHT FOR EVERY RIGHT. when people say "it's all right" or "who could have known" or "they won't find anything", they are lying through their greedy, self-serving assholes.

But I would say that if your parents do have you commited, act sane and protest your being there, don't act out, etc., but also get yourself a good family law lawyer, preferably with your OWN MONEY. then they shouldn't be able to stop you from hiring him. you could, once you are out, given then you would probably be 21+, get your own medical treatment. if a fuller scan shows something, get a malpractice suit out of it. in some cases, for whatever reason, parents want their kid to be the center of attention or harbor some resentment towards themselves that they then take out on their kids.

my guess would be that you dad felt threatened by your (in his mind) emminent departure from his life, your independence, or any number of things and then conciously or subconciously hurt you with drugs. do you have any siblings? if you are the eldest, youngest, or only child, there is precedent for parents doing this sort of sabotage and of the children either losing their freedom and credibility for life in a mental hospital or disproving the original terms of their incarceration and then getting a good lawyer to sue the doctor and parents for psychological abuse on a child by a person in a position of trust.

the key is having enough cash in your name for a lawyer, not giving them half of a chance to call you even potentially legitinately crazy, and then getting a legal victory aqs swiftly as possible in order to fully remove their power over you. then again, if they get the record fixed right, they can mark you as delusional to the point of incompetency and take your money (all this could be rooted in money) and render you powerless over your own destiny. mve as fast as you can, behind their backs, to prevent this.

document all of their activities, film your own behavior for the whole day, get acupuncture, keep a journal (big item here), be careful of your musical and television choices, and always keep your personal files and (esp.) internet records password-protected. always use something like Norton or McAffee virus and spyware detection to make sure that your computer isn't bugged (yeah, that's legal).

DISCLAIMER: I am not a lawyer. I have almost graduated my senior year of high school,and so could not go to formal law school because of financial aid requirements (it is only provided to those with a high school diploma or GED). I casually study law on the side. do not use my statements as evidence in court, but I strongly encourage you to follow them and verify them through other sources.


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