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Do you fear the soul brother?
#5314705 - 02/18/06 09:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you a racist? Why or why not?
I am not. Ever since i realized my racism came from societal messages, I can't take any the idea seriously. Anthropologists talk about "innovator" animals: those members of the social group that discover or develop new skills. They go around teaching others this new skill. Well, i figure that in every "ist" clique, there is at least one innovator in the psychedelic realm that figures out how to psychologize the other side. For example: the local Catholics have the pagans' number; the Salvadoran gangs have the catholics' number; the Reds have the Blues' number and vice versa; everybody knows how to get the other guy's goat. So it boils down to infighting among Americans. I say, the nation that can accept the new idea of racial equality and integrate it, represents the next wave in progressive thought. tribalism is dead; the corpse just hasn't begun to stink bad enough for us humans to leave it.
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Racism is just another expression of our human tendency to form groups. If we aren't hating a person for the color of their skin we'll hate them for their ideological convictions or the kind of music they listen to.
I don't hate black people. I know a lot of really cool black people! But I prefer to be in my own culture. I'd rather turn on some Beatles or Trippy electronica and giggle about stuff like Kids in the Hall instead of being subjected to rap music while gettin' crunk wit my peeps. I don't know who Sean John is and I don't care!
Just because a person is more comfortable in their own culture doesn't mean that they are ignorant or close minded. We all just want to be home, and being forced to adapt to alien culture's in the name of political correctness is a source of unneccessary stress and confusion about one's identity.
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: dr0mni]
#5314798 - 02/18/06 10:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Are you saying that your race is your culture?
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Racism defined is: The inherent belief in the superiority of one race over all others and thereby the right to dominance. (at least according to one of the google sources lol)
I really don't believe one race is superior to the other, however some do seem to annoy me more than others. As long as I remember that there are fucking retards of every colour skin, I'll be fine .
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Interesting topic, I dont like to think of myself as a racist. But sometimes notice stereo-types of all races and it makes me chuckle to know that they do actually come from somewhere. I also notice in my line of work other people can show alot of discomfert around large groups of different races. For example. This afternoon a large group of young black guys came into the resteraunt im currently working in, and the waiter who was a little younger than the group, and was white, went to serve them and was looked absolutely nervous as hell. He showed them to there seat and asked them for some drinks, he came back real shaken. It was odd, so I helped him out and took the food out for him. I dont know exactly why he was so frightened, but I wonder if racism or a negative experience has anything to do with it...
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: Irdamage]
#5314876 - 02/18/06 10:37 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The lines between culture and race are usually drawn very closely, even in a "multicultural" U.S.
preference for a familiar culture can become the monster of ethnocentrism, which is sometimes tantamount to racism. But one former does not neccessarily imply the later.
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: dr0mni]
#5314898 - 02/18/06 10:44 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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dr0mni said: The lines between culture and race are usually drawn very closely, even in a "multicultural" U.S.
preference for a familiar culture can become the monster of ethnocentrism, which is sometimes tantamount to racism. But one former does not neccessarily imply the later.
What are you saying?
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why did you say 'fear'?
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Harmonic_Order said: What are you saying?
He's saying that favoring one's culture and preferring it can, as a result, possibly result in racism, in response to your question regarding if race is one's culture. I think he is illustrating that culture and race are closely related concepts.
At least, that is my interpretation of what he is saying. 
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To me a racist is someone who believes certain cultures surrounding certain races are a result of inherent characteristics of said race, while a non-racist would say that certain cultures are a result of said race being in the right place at the right time.
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: Cherk]
#5316286 - 02/19/06 12:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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This is a touchy subject in our society, any statement taken in the wrong way leads to a heated battle where little gets accomplished.
IMO these kind of thoughts are the reason that race and racism is a very touchy subject for most:
The hip-hop/gangster culture is an inherent characteristic of being african american (for many).
The hip-hop/ganster culture is an inherent characterstic of being african american (for many) due to sociological and historical aspects of the african american race.
Both statements are correct, but one has the potential to come accross as ignorant and racist while the other comes accross as understanding and tolerant.
Black people commit more crime per capita because they are black. It is what it is!
Racism comes from regarding the african american race to be inferior to other races because of this fact, and other similar reasons born out of ignorance.
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: Cherk]
#5316325 - 02/19/06 12:23 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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IMO there is to much emphasis placed on identifying yourself as one or the other. The line isn't as thin as we'd like to believe. What's important is noticing your behavior around people of different races. Are you subconsciously acting differently because a black person walked in the room? Are you letting stereotypes get in the way of making a connection? These are the things everyone needs to work on if you want to make progress towards understanding and wisdom.
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: Cherk]
#5316399 - 02/19/06 12:47 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah I do, because the only time Ive ever been jumped or gotten money jacked was from a group of black people. But im far from thinking just because Im white that it makes me superior to others.
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: Kittybob]
#5316958 - 02/19/06 04:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Yeah, FWG pretty much got what I was saying.
I don't think that it's entirely too presumptuous to think that race may affect culture. I mean, consider a race of tribal people living a tribal lifestyle for hundreds of thousands of years. Is it "ignorant" or "racist" to think that this might have some sort of impact on the genetic makeup of that race? Is it unreasonable to think that they might have evolved some bio-behavioral adaptations to their environment?
And think about this when looking at the types of problems we run into in metropolitan societies. Excessive violence, high suicide and murder rates, depression, etc. No other animal in nature exhibits these types of behaviors in quite the same way that humans do! Our transition from small agricultural-based societies to gigantic metropolitan societies has been incredibly quick! And is it any wonder that an animal forced to adapt so quickly might have developed some maladaptive behaviors in the process?
The Europeans though, took a much more gradual process in the development of urban living. They've gone through trial and error for a few thousand years before they've reached their modern state. But countries in Africa and other "third world nations" haven't. The idea of urban living is completely alien to them. Hence why they couldn't just take the ball and run with it after European emprialists removed the support structures at the beginning of the 20th century.
Then you look at the East Asians. They too developed urban lifestyles over a very long time and they are some of the most "Advanced" societies of the day.
And when you look at the way that Urban societies developed in Mesapotamia and then spread outward into Asia and Europe it seems almost like a pattern of cultural advancement. The further societies got from Africa the more "advanced" they became, until you get to the other side of the globe and you've got the U.S. and Japan. HUGE metropolitan-based societies!
And look at our migration from there... the U.S. was the first to go into space... imagine what our societies will be like once we get out there...
Of course this is all speculation, but my point is that I don't think it's completely unreasonable to think that race may affect culture. Probably not as much as some people might think, though. Racial classifications are no doubt subjective cultural memes, but this doesn't mean that humans from different parts of the globe don't have real biological differences that might affect behavior.
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: fireworks_god]
#5317552 - 02/19/06 07:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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He's saying that favoring one's culture and preferring it can, as a result, possibly result in racism, in response to your question regarding if race is one's culture. I think he is illustrating that culture and race are closely related concepts.
At least, that is my interpretation of what he is saying. 
I saw that. I was asking a question based on that response, to whit: for himself, without any dancing around it, does he consider his race to be his culture?
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: dr0mni]
#5317594 - 02/19/06 07:45 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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dr0mni said:
The Europeans though, took a much more gradual process in the development of urban living. They've gone through trial and error for a few thousand years before they've reached their modern state. But countries in Africa and other "third world nations" haven't. The idea of urban living is completely alien to them. Hence why they couldn't just take the ball and run with it after European emprialists removed the support structures at the beginning of the 20th century.
Then you look at the East Asians. They too developed urban lifestyles over a very long time and they are some of the most "Advanced" societies of the day.
And when you look at the way that Urban societies developed in Mesapotamia and then spread outward into Asia and Europe it seems almost like a pattern of cultural advancement. The further societies got from Africa the more "advanced" they became, until you get to the other side of the globe and you've got the U.S. and Japan. HUGE metropolitan-based societies!
Yeah, those Kushites and Egyptians and their no-city civilizations. So crude. So underdeveloped. And Libya and Morocco? Pish. No urban living there. No hundreds of years of African cities. Not to mention the African Moors who conquered the Iberian peninsula around 1100 C.E., held it for 400 years, built all the large cities in what is now Spain, taught the people how to build bridges, arches, and halls, how to navigate using the stars, built gardens with running water and fountains... and so on... right? 
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goobler said:why did you say 'fear'?
I call em as I see em. Check out contemporary racist propaganda. This message is repeated in one form or another: "The message is simple, the white race is being pushed aside. The race responsible for building the nations on the world, and the same race responsible for basically every invention of consequence, is losing it's identity."
This guy fears losing his mental cherry: "WHY MUST I BE FORCED BY LAW TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING I BELIEVE DIDN'T HAPPEN? WHO IS GOING TO MAKE ME BELIEVE IN WITCHES WHEN I WANT TO BELIEVE IN ANGELS? IS IT A BATTLE OF THE WILLS, OR IS IT MENTAL RAPE IF I AM MADE TO BELIEVE IN THE 'HOLOCAUST'?"
Fear. These guys are afraid of other races. They demand violence to stop people from thinking brown thoughts. Like they don't trust their own product, the compelling ideas of just being white ain't enough. Ya gotta kill! kill! the competition! That way, things will be fair, like they used to be. What a steaming load 
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dr0mni said:
The Europeans though, took a much more gradual process in the development of urban living. They've gone through trial and error for a few thousand years before they've reached their modern state. But countries in Africa and other "third world nations" haven't. The idea of urban living is completely alien to them. Hence why they couldn't just take the ball and run with it after European emprialists removed the support structures at the beginning of the 20th century.
Then you look at the East Asians. They too developed urban lifestyles over a very long time and they are some of the most "Advanced" societies of the day.
And when you look at the way that Urban societies developed in Mesapotamia and then spread outward into Asia and Europe it seems almost like a pattern of cultural advancement. The further societies got from Africa the more "advanced" they became, until you get to the other side of the globe and you've got the U.S. and Japan. HUGE metropolitan-based societies!
Yeah, those Kushites and Egyptians and their no-city civilizations. So crude. So underdeveloped. And Libya and Morocco? Pish. No urban living there. No hundreds of years of African cities. Not to mention the African Moors who conquered the Iberian peninsula around 1100 C.E., held it for 400 years, built all the large cities in what is now Spain, taught the people how to build bridges, arches, and halls, how to navigate using the stars, built gardens with running water and fountains... and so on... right? 
Those were civilizations that had migrated BACK into Africa... if I remember correctly the Moors were muslims... and Islam was founded in Mesapotamia.
And Ancient Egyptians were part of the Mesapotamian cultural region even thought they were GEOGRAPHICALLY in Africa.
Don't try to make me look like an idiot...
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: dr0mni]
#5317655 - 02/19/06 08:16 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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and as for if I consider my race to be my culture? I didn't dance around it. I answered that question already.
The lines are drawn very closely, but they are not necessarily equal. For example, I consider Jimi Hendrix to be a part of my cultural heritage, but i honestly have never met any black people who like Hendrix... just white hippies...
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: dr0mni]
#5317666 - 02/19/06 08:19 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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might I also add that by "Advanced" I don't mean superior. That's why I kept putting quotes around it.
The way of life for a race of people is fine if it suits them! I admire the tribal lifestyle and truly envy it!
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Re: Do you fear the soul brother? [Re: dr0mni]
#5318186 - 02/19/06 10:53 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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dr0mni said:
Those were civilizations that had migrated BACK into Africa... if I remember correctly the Moors were muslims... and Islam was founded in Mesapotamia.
And Ancient Egyptians were part of the Mesapotamian cultural region even thought they were GEOGRAPHICALLY in Africa.
Don't try to make me look like an idiot...
No... those civilizations did not migrate back into Africa. Check your facts. Egypt is in Africa, and has nothing to do with mesopotamian civilizations except trading with them. Its culture arose from the agricultural region around the Nile, and it stayed there. Kush (Nubia) existed to the South of Egypt, and built pyramids, and had cities, and shared culture with Egypt. Moors belonged to Islam, but Islam is not a race or a region, it's a faith. the moors were black Africans from Africa. Libya was already settled and urban before the Romans conquered it. Morocco has been urban for centuries, Muslim or not. And it's full of black Africans black black black.
I have no intention of making you look like an idiot. I only want to educate you. The information you posted is crap. I hope you will do the quick wikipedia check and witness the truth, so you can re-frame your BS (belief system) and get it straight.
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