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daimyo
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Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing?
#5314577 - 02/18/06 08:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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First and foremost, don't respond to this thread if you can't be civil. Allegations of racism are not welcome, and neither is blatant racism itself. Talking about a certain ethnic group in a less than favorable way is fine(as that's not racism. ignorance perhaps, but not racism), but don't go using slurs. Here we go...
What used to be a nice neighborhood has steadily been going to shit for the last 5-7 years. Coincidentally(?), that is about how long blacks have been moving in, and whites moving out.
In the thread about whites acting black I gave one example of the behavior exhibited by the new residents, now I bring you another.
Some months ago there was a shooting at one of the bars in the neighborhood. I made a thread about it in here at the time. Now this used to be a nice white bar. Karaoke, buffet during football games, DJ nights, etc. About 2 years ago a new crowd started coming. They weren't bad at first, their numbers small. But, white flight set in and the racial ratio changed quickly. Soon there were bar fights every week, people getting ran over in the street/on the sidewalk, and just plain general stupidity.
Well, last night there was another shooting. Some fuck got into an argument, went to his car and got a gun, stood in the doorway, and shot into the place. 5 people were hit. One lady died, one person is in critical condition, and the other three are recovering. The news blamed the new "hip hop" crowd. That got me thinking, is it the blacks that ruin neighborhoods, or is it the "urban" crowd? If it's the "urban" crowd, who is to blame for that? Media? Upbringing?
Have you lived in a neighborhood that has gone through similar changes? Do you live in one now? What factors do you believe caused the change?
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Re: Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing? [Re: daimyo]
#5314621 - 02/18/06 09:02 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Fiddy.
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Re: Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing? [Re: daimyo]
#5314630 - 02/18/06 09:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Cultural, I'd say. Urban culture is generally fucked up, which is why I prefer living in a small town.
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Re: Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing? [Re: daimyo]
#5314652 - 02/18/06 09:13 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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The area my parents live in is one of two counties in PA that had a greater than 50% growth in between the 1990 & the 2000 census. Most of that population increase came because of (primarily black) urban families moving from NYC and northern New Jersey. They relocate their families to that region in PA, thinking that they'll escape the crime of the city, and have a better place to raise their children. Many still commute to the city for work.
What happens is: they just bring the crime with them. Every year, the crime rate in our area would rise, with mostly drug and violent crimes. Now, that area really sucks. The urban migrants, in my opinion, brought with them certain elements that had not previously existed in my parent's county. Now there's a lot of crack houses, and heroin is starting to get HUGE in the region. Along with that, comes the grimey people and various crimes that are assoicated with them. 
I'm not sure if that's how it is everywhere, though; this has just been my experience from living in one region of one state.
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Re: Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing? [Re: Le_Canard]
#5314659 - 02/18/06 09:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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It's a culture thing, and its stupid. some guys just liek to be the badass so that the whole world watches them. It's basicaly as if they're trying to live in their own movie. With all the props.
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Re: Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing? [Re: daimyo]
#5314662 - 02/18/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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I just watched a news report on the latest shooting and picked up a few other pieces of information. One, the police have been there at least 9 times in the last 4 months. Two, one councilmen, several of the surrounding shop owners, and a lot of citizens are calling for the bar to be shut down. Lastly, most of the people that go to this place are not from the neighborhood. They're from deeper in the city, and therefore more entrenched in the "urban" culture.
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Re: Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing? [Re: daimyo]
#5314678 - 02/18/06 09:20 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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defiantly cultural.. The fact that a black kid raised in a different social environment doesn't act like the typical urban thug is all the proof you need its pretty common sense stuff.
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Re: Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing? [Re: daimyo]
#5314746 - 02/18/06 09:46 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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That happened on East 185th street didn't it? I live in a similar area on Cleveland's southeast side. I don't think it's a racial or strictly cultural thing going on, I think that any neighborhood in major flux is more tense irregardless of the racial groups involved. Particular cultural values can accentuate tensions of course but there seems to always be a shake out or settling that requires aggression and sometimes violence before an equilibrium is reached during the transition. It's a Human trait, not something explained solely by race or culture.
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Re: Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing? [Re: Ginseng1]
#5314752 - 02/18/06 09:48 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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Technically it is a social cultural dimension. The lower class culture is less educated, has less opportunity, and is thus more prone to violence. While on the other end of the spectrum the high class culture is well educated, has plenty of opportunity and is prone to a better life. That is really terrible to hear that an area has become horrid that someone kills people for no reason. It is just a part of the lower class culture as they are prone to own weapons and are less responsible as a culture. Even where I live, one of the safest cities in the USA a bar that plays hip hop and club rap style music that is really high end had a shooting inside it with of course a black individual over a simple topic of discussion. I went to this club/bar once and it was very high end, lots of decent people inside it but I noticed primarily white individuals inside it. To hear that people died in that club is a shock; I would never expect someone to have pulled a gun and start to shoot inside that club/bar.
Another club/bar in town that only plays hip hop/club music but is slightly more geared to old school rap always seems to have lots of blacks inside it. It is strange because everytime I go in thier it feels like someone is trying to test me. One time some guy was testing me to see if I was hardcore or something. I went psycho and was about to beat his skull in with a beer pitcher right their on the spot. Subsequently his buddy and himself were like, "ok this guy deserves some respect because he would kill us without hesitation." I was somewhat drunk, I mean like 3-4 drinks but my mindstate was completely developed by them and what they wanted. It was like they wanted to see if I was a bitch or not because they always have to test themselves inside thier culture. The reason the violence happens is because they have to be violent in thier culture or they will be consumed. I couldn't believe I was just about to kill two people (totally consumed by thier culture) that I left the bar to a more friendly place. I have been in that bar many times, and most times it is friendly vibe. But all it takes is one or two people that are from the hardcore low class that test someone and then they snap. I mean if I was some low class individual or I was just having a really bad day, I mean they would have been dead. It was like they were egging me on to kill them, that is what they wanted. But of course it was only a test. I think the probelm is when a hardcore guy challenges another hardcore guy it goes ugly. I mean I had a rather good upbringing in the middle upper class. I imagine if I was raised in the lower class they would have been dead, no question. They just are so violent in nature due to lack of opportunity. I mean rich kids have computers and video games, drugs and parties in good nauture because everything was ok in life; poor kids have gangs, guns, drugs and just have a violent nature about they because they had a hard life. I mean poor black areas always have people getting shot at. Someone jacks someone for drugs, or does something else to try to get rich or gain respect. In rich or middle class areas people goto college, and compete on the job field which very competitive. It is like the blacks have nothing else but the little world they live in. They compete with drugs and gangs, instead of college degrees and nice jobs. Some of them are so deep into thier world that they don't even know anything else. Many hardcore ghetto blacks don't even know another world exists outside the small culture they have. But many rich and middle class kids have the opportunity to travel outside their little cultural box. Their families take them on vacation's and travel to different worlds. The poor black family never travels outside the ghetto; the parents work constantly for a low wage to just scape by. The kids live in a world where how willing you are to defend yourself is the #1 priority. They never see the other world full of happy people that have respect for a different hierarchy. In the rich and middle class who is god; The drug dealer/gang leader/most hardcore violent individual or the CEO/business leader/individual who makes the most money ethically. It is quite sad really to enter the poor black neighborhoods. They have post boards in ghetto eating places that say we need to bring ourselves out of this world. But it is all sympathetic to that they are blacks and how they don't know any better. Pretty sad that in other countries they don't have this super low poverty areas. In other countries everyone is lower class with a few upper class. Everyone in the lower class is content with thier life. The few elite upper class live in thier own special world instead of in the USA where we have a dominant middle/upper class then just a huge lower class. But the lower class in the USA is way worse then the lower class in England, Italy, France, Spain where the lower class dominats and lives a happy life. It is almost like because the upper/middle class dominats here in the USA, the lower class is isolated into a another world. Unfortunately this world is entirely controlled by them; a nightmare that is hidden to within the media and the upper/middle class completely has isolated the lower class. Seems that in other countries where the upper class is isolated it is much better of course because the upper class have standards and education.
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Re: Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing? [Re: daimyo]
#5314774 - 02/18/06 09:57 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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daimyo said: The news blamed the new "hip hop" crowd. That got me thinking, is it the blacks that ruin neighborhoods, or is it the "urban" crowd? If it's the "urban" crowd, who is to blame for that? Media? Upbringing?
Have you lived in a neighborhood that has gone through similar changes? Do you live in one now? What factors do you believe caused the change?
Wait, what?You painted that in such broad strokes, it's like you want a certain answer. Do the blacks ruin the neighborhoods, or is it the urban crowd? Well, in an absolute sense, neither. It depends. Sometimes it's yuppies. I can't have a beer at the local watering hole on a Friday night without four yupster couples and their maggots nearby. Sometimes it's economic bleakness. For instance, the pub where the madre lives closed down due to lack of interest. How poor does a city have to get before you can't even sell booze? My old neighborhood got claimed by Salvadoran gangs. From what i understand, the entire East Coast used to be a respectable Native American neighborhood until us honkies moved in. See what i mean? It's not either/or. Washington, DC is still a great place to live and party, despite rampant negro reproduction and a decidedly urban mystique. Hell, it's even gotten better. Georgetown was a failing business district before black folk moved in and fixed it up. Now it's the premiere place to shop and bar crawl. Good food, too.
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Re: Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing? [Re: daimyo]
#5315010 - 02/18/06 11:18 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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daimyo said: who is to blame for that?
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Quote:
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Re: Racial Thing, Or Culture Thing? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#5315076 - 02/18/06 11:31 PM (17 years, 11 months ago) |
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