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I hate to say it.....
    #5314285 - 02/18/06 06:49 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

but this forum has been running much more smoothly, and (seems) to have an increase in really great threads and topics.... since the swami cabal has been dispersed.

threads are being derailed less.
there is less hostility and subtle flaming.

I thought for a while, things would slow to a halt, or people would start getting crazy hostile..... but i perceive this forum to now be even better than before.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5314297 - 02/18/06 06:56 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

i thought i had noticed a change but i wasn't sure if it was just because id been comming on here less (been busy with school and other stuff). what happened to the swami cabal?


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: Deviate]
    #5314300 - 02/18/06 06:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

some dispersed, some banned, some in self-exile.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5314310 - 02/18/06 07:03 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I think that this forum has been downright embarassing in the past couple weeks.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5314347 - 02/18/06 07:14 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

It's becoming harder and harder to distinguish the difference between P&S and Mysticism, Religion, & the Paranormal.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5314472 - 02/18/06 08:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

:naughty:


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: Gomp]
    #5314552 - 02/18/06 08:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Yeah, things are cool.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: lysergicide]
    #5314809 - 02/18/06 10:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

What happened to swami anyways?


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: blaze2]
    #5314865 - 02/18/06 10:32 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Please, your notion of cause and effect is atrocious.

This forum has always gone through cycles, and it will continue to do so. It doesn't take too much looking around to still find derailing of threads and flaming/personalisms. You refer to some powerful "Swami cabal", but none ever existed. It is the delusion of those who perceived things in such a manner that was responsible for most of the negativity, to be honest.

Unsubstantiated opinion with conclusions that cannot be addressed through philosophical means reign supreme in this thread, eh? :smirk:

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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: spud]
    #5315060 - 02/18/06 11:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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It's becoming harder and harder to distinguish the difference between P&S and  Mysticism, Religion, & the Paranormal.




Yeah, the exodus of the main sources of said difference has that effect. I really have no idea what the difference is supposed to be these days. I've been waiting for the P&S rules to be updated to make it clear, but no luck as of yet. :shrug:


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: GulGen]
    #5315444 - 02/19/06 01:24 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

BAH!

I think the cause and effect is proper!

apparently fireworks god feels that there is some sort of change, enough to the point which he would address it so.

I ask all of you who feel that this forum has been akin to MRP to please state some threads which you feel have been more prevalent since the farewell of the "swami cabal" (sorry, but I love it due to how apt it is).

I can think and name plenty of threads which have not only been thought of IMO to be superb, but openly praised by many various frequenting folk of this forum.

I think most of your responses are weak and mere blather in hopes of defending your fallen general and the aftermath which I have pointed out.

The difference between P&S and MRP has always been known and prevalent, and a few remarks stating mere opinions as factual datum in retrospect to said subject will not win this argument for you.

I know that many of the few left from the swami cabal still feel bitter and have defensive remarks regarding this sensitive subject, but even your hostility and cynicism has been quelled in this calm, post-swami era.

sure, blame it on "cycles" if you wish, but I am willing to bet that this era of "peace" and "philosophical prosperity" will flourish even under the animosity filled gaze of the remnants of swamis horde.

...............I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT...... you arguments have fallen to weak mutterings, your protests on deaf ears, and your ad hominems have been shown for the hollowness of which they possess.

(and if this post doesnt show you the difference between the two forums then I must be trying to show Anne frank card tricks)


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5315474 - 02/19/06 01:50 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
BAH!

I think most of your responses are weak and mere blather in hopes of defending your fallen general and the aftermath which I have pointed out.

you arguments have fallen to weak mutterings, your protests on deaf ears, and your ad hominems have been shown for the hollowness of which they possess.

(and if this post doesnt show you the difference between the two forums then I must be trying to show Anne frank card tricks)




Flaming and personal analysis.

P.s. I think the name you are looking for is Helen Keller.


Edited by TheHateCamel (02/19/06 01:58 AM)


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Re: I hate to say it..... its true [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #5315522 - 02/19/06 02:30 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

helen keller has a 75% win avg playin 3 card monte


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Re: I hate to say it..... its true [Re: fresh313]
    #5315590 - 02/19/06 03:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Please, you make a purely speculative claim as though it is a valid observation of reality. Your claim is a fallacy, as you have done nothing to demonstrate that the absence of Swami and his "cabal" is responsible for certain qualities of the forum becoming prevalent.


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apparently fireworks god feels that there is some sort of change, enough to the point which he would address it so.




There are always subtle changes. I address such changes as natural variations on a cycle that repeatedly occurs. Such changes are far too vauge and resultant from a numerous amount of dynamics for someone to suddenly proclaim that one specific difference is responsible for a sudden Renaissance in this forum.

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since the farewell of the "swami cabal" (sorry, but I love it due to how apt it is).




The unsubstantiated nature of your proclamation is further evident in your reliance on the purported apt usage of the phrase "swami cabal". Who is this mysterious group of mercenaries responsible for holding this forum hostage? :lol: From an objective viewpoint, I know of Swami's banning, and Icelander and Veritas' choice to leave due to their view that the moderation/administration was not benevolent. No such link between them and Swami exists other than their protest of actions taken agansit Swami.

Where is this grand cabal that is an essential aspect of your assertion? :wtf:

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I can think and name plenty of threads which have not only been thought of IMO to be superb, but openly praised by many various frequenting folk of this forum.




At any point in time one can find a handful of threads that can be characterized as "superb" and that received commendations from various frequenting folk of this forum.

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I think most of your responses are weak and mere blather in hopes of defending your fallen general and the aftermath which I have pointed out.




And I think you are delusional. There is no "fallen general" and no "aftermath". I propose that your illusions of grandeur do not reflect reality.

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a few remarks stating mere opinions as factual datum in retrospect to said subject will not win this argument for you.




"Said subject" is simply a few remarks existing as mere opinions that cannot be validated or confirmed.

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I know that many of the few left from the swami cabal still feel bitter and have defensive remarks regarding this sensitive subject, but even your hostility and cynicism has been quelled in this calm, post-swami era.




:lol: No basis upon which to place such "conclusions", of course.

Hey, at the very least, your theater has been enertaining. :thumbup:

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Re: I hate to say it..... its true [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5315801 - 02/19/06 08:12 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Notice the subtle support F shows for the fallen heroes with his "Has Been". One could understand the bitter residue that may linger when ideals that appear to be of substance are revealed to be of dust.

And thus the young man grows, perhaps to be a better, more principled leader than those which have gone before him.

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Re: I hate to say it..... its true [Re: Booby]
    #5315834 - 02/19/06 08:36 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Notice the subtle support F shows for the fallen heroes with his "Has Been". One could understand the bitter residue that may linger  when ideals that appear to be of substance are revealed to be of dust.




And which ideals are these that you speak of? Swami got banned for suspossed trolling. What is being revealed to be of dust here?

Is revealing the fallaciousness of his assertions "subtle support"?

Its just as plausible to claim that grey alien beings are no longer subjecting this forum's participants to certain kinds of radiation, so now we are experiencing a different, better, vaugely defined state.  :eek:

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Re: I hate to say it..... its true [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5315852 - 02/19/06 08:45 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Altho your comrades may have high-tailed it I'm glad you remain to interject reason and light where so often it is lacking.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5316062 - 02/19/06 10:46 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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psilocyberin said:
I don't lose debates as often now... yay!




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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: TheHateCamel]
    #5316078 - 02/19/06 10:52 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Quote:

psilocyberin said:
BAH!

I think most of your responses are weak and mere blather in hopes of defending your fallen general and the aftermath which I have pointed out.

you arguments have fallen to weak mutterings, your protests on deaf ears, and your ad hominems have been shown for the hollowness of which they possess.

(and if this post doesnt show you the difference between the two forums then I must be trying to show Anne frank card tricks)




Flaming and personal analysis.

P.s. I think the name you are looking for is Helen Keller.




oh jeez.... im busted on that one.... one more reason not to post here shitfaced.

P.S. personal analysis? I dont really see it, but maybe an analysis of debate tactics.... both are allowed in this forum, so I dont see the issue....
but flaming? where?


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5316090 - 02/19/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

itstarssaddam said:
Quote:

psilocyberin said:
I don't lose debates as often now... yay!







do some homework....


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Re: I hate to say it..... its true [Re: Booby]
    #5316091 - 02/19/06 10:56 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

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Altho your comrades may have high-tailed it I'm glad you remain to interject reason and light where so often it is lacking.




Oh, I thought you might've answered my questions. Nevermind. :smirk:

My comrades, eh? They are as much your comrades as they are mine, or of anyone else here.

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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5316094 - 02/19/06 10:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Quote:

psilocyberin said:
BAH!

I think the cause and effect is proper!

apparently fireworks god feels that there is some sort of change, enough to the point which he would address it so.

I ask all of you who feel that this forum has been akin to MRP to please state some threads which you feel have been more prevalent since the farewell of the "swami cabal" (sorry, but I love it due to how apt it is).

I can think and name plenty of threads which have not only been thought of IMO to be superb, but openly praised by many various frequenting folk of this forum.

I think most of your responses are weak and mere blather in hopes of defending your fallen general and the aftermath which I have pointed out.

The difference between P&S and MRP has always been known and prevalent, and a few remarks stating mere opinions as factual datum in retrospect to said subject will not win this argument for you.

I know that many of the few left from the swami cabal still feel bitter and have defensive remarks regarding this sensitive subject, but even your hostility and cynicism has been quelled in this calm, post-swami era.

sure, blame it on "cycles" if you wish, but I am willing to bet that this era of "peace" and "philosophical prosperity" will flourish even under the animosity filled gaze of the remnants of swamis horde.

...............I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT...... you arguments have fallen to weak mutterings, your protests on deaf ears, and your ad hominems have been shown for the hollowness of which they possess.

(and if this post doesnt show you the difference between the two forums then I must be trying to show Anne frank card tricks)




Swami would have been banned for making a post like this which attacks members directly.


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Re: I hate to say it..... its true [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5316191 - 02/19/06 11:33 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Please, you make a purely speculative claim as though it is a valid observation of reality. Your claim is a fallacy, as you have done nothing to demonstrate that the absence of Swami and his "cabal" is responsible for certain qualities of the forum becoming prevalent.




what would constitute a valid perception of reality? anything which you agree with?
I simply made a connection between the two things. It was only an observation (which has so far been echoed by others) about the seemingly agreed upon prevalent qualities this forum has assumed since swami and co have left.
Am I saying that it is THE sole reason? no, but I will speculate that it has a lot to do with it.


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There are always subtle changes. I address such changes as natural variations on a cycle that repeatedly occurs. Such changes are far too vauge and resultant from a numerous amount of dynamics for someone to suddenly proclaim that one specific difference is responsible for a sudden Renaissance in this forum.




I dont think anyone is claiming a Renaissance. The biggest improvement that I see in this forum is that threads are staying on topic. Swami (especially) had a penchant for spinning threads out of control, arguing apples and oranges.

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The unsubstantiated nature of your proclamation is further evident in your reliance on the purported apt usage of the phrase "swami cabal". Who is this mysterious group of mercenaries responsible for holding this forum hostage? :lol: From an objective viewpoint, I know of Swami's banning, and Icelander and Veritas' choice to leave due to their view that the moderation/administration was not benevolent. No such link between them and Swami exists other than their protest of actions taken agansit Swami.




oh come on, icelander was swami's cheerleader. Like the stereotypical bad guys goons in movies who would just laugh and echo whatever he said.

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At any point in time one can find a handful of threads that can be characterized as "superb" and that received commendations from various frequenting folk of this forum.




I think people here feel more relaxed now. Often I post concepts or ideas I know are absurd and flawed, but i enjoy tossing them around just for fun.... previously swami or diploid would have to get crazy serious about it, even when it was obviously in jest, or stated to be "just high blather".
It was like trying to sing karaoke hammered on saki with Simon from American Idol in the room.

And your reversed "mere speculation" regarding how this forum has become like MRP is no more a "valid observation of reality" than mine was.







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I know that many of the few left from the swami cabal still feel bitter and have defensive remarks regarding this sensitive subject, but even your hostility and cynicism has been quelled in this calm, post-swami era.




Quote:

:lol: No basis upon which to place such "conclusions", of course.
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swami would be proud. You used his signature tactic all through this "theatre", dont debate the topic, attack their debate methods and demand scientific research regarding abstract or minute details.
One thing that swami never realized about all of that was his tactics could be reversed regarding his arguments which tried to reveal the insubstantial fluff.... like how everything that you have said so far could be more aptly applied to your previous and current arguments.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: Redstorm]
    #5316206 - 02/19/06 11:37 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

swami is no longer a member. making direct personal comments about him would be the same as talking about any other random person not on this board.

I never made any other comments naming anyone else in my original post... fireworks god wished to make it personal.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5316257 - 02/19/06 11:57 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I know that many of the few left from the swami cabal still feel bitter




That sounds like you had certain people in mind. If I eluded that the "mystics" here lack any sort of debating skills, would it not still be an attack on someone's character? Ad hominems are uncalled for, even if you drape a semi-transparent veil over it.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: Redstorm]
    #5316378 - 02/19/06 12:40 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

how would that constitute as an ad hominem?

I dont see how naming a group of people is a personal attack. If you said that the "mystics" lack debating skills, it wouldnt be personal, it would be attacking a group. also, saying that a few unnamed people are bitter, isnt really an attack, shitting on their debating skills would be. your analogy is lopsided and irrelevant anyway.

I also said that MANY of the FEW.... which denotes that NOT ALL of the few are bitter. i really just dont see how that is personal in anyway, but it was a noble stretch.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5316827 - 02/19/06 03:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Wait so swami was trolling what the fuck does that mean? I must have missed ALL of the drama man.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: blaze2]
    #5316937 - 02/19/06 03:58 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

IMHO this place has become a wasteland, since the bannings and the abandonments - as if spiritual enlightenment, or commentary, outside of a funded church-scape actually requires a managing thought police force of admittedly unenlightened seekers in this kareoke context.

I mean, really
here all there is is an opportunity for one being to take the stage at any moment on any thread, offer up some thought fragment in their own unique style, and then get back into the crowd of heckling or appreciative audience. (not the chicago symphony you know (cough cough....cough))

I am appalled that it ever turned into something more pompous than that, mostly I have just groaned for the last 2 weeks, and kept up as well as possible with only salvia related postings.

I can understand some uptight concerns in hallowed halls that people are tithed to maintain, but this should be a free speech zone, even more so than OTD, where the intent is to be off, this place is where off and on relate to growing more than joking.

off is necessary.
swami did off most excellently - he was really quite on when it came to being off, especially when people were drilling themselves into their own navels too intently.

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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5316969 - 02/19/06 04:11 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I can understand some uptight concerns in hallowed halls that people are tithed to maintain, but this should be a free speech zone, even more so than OTD, where the intent is to be off, this place is where off and on relate to growing more than joking.




it is hard to say what you truly mean with the threat of banning always on your heels, i dont necessarily feel this personally, yet i think it rings true for a few. by protecting everyones 'feelings', is a large peace of potential growth factor not lost ?


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: redgreenvines]
    #5316972 - 02/19/06 04:12 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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i miss him and the lights that have moved away.




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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: dorkus]
    #5317024 - 02/19/06 04:27 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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i miss him and the lights that have moved away.








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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5317106 - 02/19/06 05:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I thought for a while, things would slow to a halt, or people would start getting crazy hostile..... but i perceive this forum to now be even better than before.

You mean, better in certain respects? Arguable, but do not ignore the fact that this also means there are other respects in which this forum was better before as well. With skeptics such as Swami, et al., there was an increase in inquisitive awareness, both retro and introspectively. This is because Swami and the ilk questioned beliefs and concepts rather than taking them at face value - and as such, promoted a higher cognitive standard of evaluation and provided more balance to the atmosphere. That's where real growth and change takes place - not in merely coasting along, smooth sailing and finding comfort in only like-minded people.

We find comfort in those who agree with us and growth with those who don't. Absent the promoters of logic, rationality and objectivity - reason, we subvert ourselves back to the irrational age of gullibility where the next mystic peddles us arbitrary fantasies that offer the masses a seemingly lucrative escape from reality, from facts, from honest work, effort and responsibility - not much unlike the widespread infomercial gurus on late-nite TV that make money off the ignorance of lazy humans around the world, who hold dear to their hearts the faint possibility of the "quick-fix", around the corner. Such is a fraction of why forums like the MR&P are emblematic of what's wrong with this world, which is but a massive orgy of intellectual onanism, a safe harbor for those who want to find comfort in refuge of reason, rather than face challenges, risk having their egos shattered, their irrational beliefs exposed in light of rigorous questioning and analysis, and becoming much more rooted and stable in Earth, in a this-worldly place - rather than in some quick-fixed "other-worldly" and arbitrary fantasy.

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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: SkorpivoMusterion]
    #5317155 - 02/19/06 05:33 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

if you guys miss swami so much i can make another account with a new persona and takes swami's place. i've always been skeptical of swami's abilities as a skeptic (for instance his unwillingness to ever engage me directly in a debate) and i'd like to see if i could do a better job in some respects.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: Deviate]
    #5317270 - 02/19/06 06:07 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I'm rather intrigued and interested. I, for one, would love to see anybody carry out such an assertion as you've made - and if it were up to me, I'd gladly let you have at it. But as things are, the authorities here may present the technicality of puppetry - but perhaps they may surprise us all and be flexible enough to allow for a minor exception, as in your case.




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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: Deviate]
    #5317488 - 02/19/06 07:10 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I always saw Diploid as more consistently skeptical than Swami. I always thought Swami's great gift was not so much in challenging paranormal claims, but rather in changelling our values and beliefs about ourselves.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: Deviate]
    #5317519 - 02/19/06 07:21 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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if you guys miss swami so much i can make another account with a new persona and takes swami's place. i've always been skeptical of swami's abilities as a skeptic (for instance his unwillingness to ever engage me directly in a debate) and i'd like to see if i could do a better job in some respects.




This is a step in the right direction. I'm not a regular enough to really know what all this Swami hullabaloo is about. But if you think a voice is missing from the S&P debate than take it upon yourself to be that voice. Is that so impossible?


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: Deviate]
    #5317558 - 02/19/06 07:34 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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i've always been skeptical of swami's abilities as a skeptic (for instance his unwillingness to ever engage me  directly in a debate)




You are quite intimidating.  :smirk:


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: it stars saddam]
    #5317694 - 02/19/06 08:26 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

is it just me or is this thread just rehashing all the old drama?


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    #5319532 - 02/20/06 11:10 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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what would constitute a valid perception of reality? anything which you agree with?




Anything that is based in some sort of trait or aspect of reality, in order to even be perceived in the first place.

Your allegation is more of a hypothesis as it stands. You recognize a suspossed change in the behavior of this forum (which is hard to determine in itself) and announce what is responsible for the occurence of this change.

Now, I ask you, how are you going to attempt testing this hypothesis, or giving us enough of a basis in order for our ownselves to take into consideration this idea and determine for ourselves that this reflects reality? That's the philosophical intent of sharing such, correct?

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I simply made a connection between the two things. It was only an observation (which has so far been echoed by others) about the seemingly agreed upon prevalent qualities this forum has assumed since swami and co have left.




You simply formed a connection and brought forth discussion on this formed connection. It would not surprise me that others may have echoed your concerns on the matter. Such a fact is reason enough to partake in discussion  in order to investigate further with many focused minds. Demonstrating one's reasoning and focusing on the pertinent details that form the foundation of such a theory is, thus, necessary in order to effectively examine this. :wink:

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Am I saying that it is THE sole reason? no, but I will speculate that it has a lot to do with it.




I'm sure you will speculate such, but I am wondering if you are going to demonstrate exactly what it is that causes you to bring yourself to speculate on the matter, and allow some discourse as to whether or not "what it is" is reasonable enough to form a valid basis for such a theory.


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The biggest improvement that I see in this forum is that threads are staying on topic. Swami (especially) had a penchant for spinning threads out of control, arguing apples and oranges.




So threads stay on topic now, apparently. What does this have to do with Swami? How does one person spiral a thread out of control without being abetted, in the first place? Any threads that you have in mind that can give us an example of this? Are we to trust your reasoning by itself?

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oh come on, icelander was swami's cheerleader. Like the stereotypical bad guys goons in movies who would just laugh and echo whatever he said.




Bullshit. Its statements such as these that inevitably make me question your judgement on this matter.

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I think people here feel more relaxed now.




Is that so? Three people in this very thread, two active posters throughout the last couple of months, weren't even aware of Swami's absence. Did the atmosphere subconsciously ease their minds, which were still under the impression that the wolf was preying the woods along the perimeter? :smirk:

I think that you have no way of knowing that people feel more relaxed now. Unless you do?

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Often I post concepts or ideas I know are absurd and flawed, but i enjoy tossing them around just for fun.... previously swami or diploid would have to get crazy serious about it, even when it was obviously in jest, or stated to be "just high blather".
It was like trying to sing karaoke hammered on saki with Simon from American Idol in the room.




It is indeed truly shocking that participants here took discussion of philosophy and spirituality seriously.  :eek:

Perhaps you were using the wrong forum when you were making up shit and fucking around while others were taking the advancement of understanding and realization seriously?

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And your reversed "mere speculation" regarding how this forum has become like MRP is no more a "valid observation of reality" than mine was.




I made no such observation. It is no wonder I question your reasoning concerning the dynamic, complex nature of a forum with hundreds of participants over the course of a month when you cannot even get your facts straight within one thread that you have been active in.

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swami would be proud. You used his signature tactic all through this "theatre", dont debate the topic, attack their debate methods and demand scientific research regarding abstract or minute details.




There is no topic up for discussion and debate.

"Uhhh... I think that, now that Swami is gone, people are relaxed, and the forum has changed for the better."

"How do you know? What exactly is this change and how do you know Swami has anything to do with it?"

"Um, you are just using Swami's tactic of debating the methods of debate instead of discussing the topic."

Riiiight. :rolleyes:

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like how everything that you have said so far could be more aptly applied to your previous and current arguments.




Yes. I question your reasoning, and apparently you can more aptly question my reasoning that leads me to question your reasoning? :lol:

I asked you to demonstrate the understanding upon which your hypothesis is based. That is discussion of the topic, which is your hypothesis. Are you actually interested in discussing this and playing game, or did you simply just get drunk one night and decide to make up bullshit? It is up to you to show us which one it is.

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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: dr0mni]
    #5319534 - 02/20/06 11:11 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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is it just me or is this thread just rehashing all the old drama?




It is. Take a guess as to who is responsible for instigating it? If Swami still participated here, you know it would be him. :wink:

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    #5319543 - 02/20/06 11:14 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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I never made any other comments naming anyone else in my original post... fireworks god wished to make it personal.




And how did I do that? By actually wanting to discuss something based in reality? You allude to some mysterious "Swami cabal" as though it doesn't have personal connotations, and then accuse the person who wants to call you on your bullshit by systematically investigating into exactly who this cabal is and how they are related of being the one who wished to make it personal.

What is is with this forum and trolling, anyways? :wtf: :thumbdown:

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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5320631 - 02/20/06 04:41 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I knew swami was gone I just missed it happeninng which is slightly disappointing. was there a thread I can look up or something?


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: fireworks_god]
    #5321817 - 02/20/06 09:15 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Anything that is based in some sort of trait or aspect of reality, in order to even be perceived in the first place.




and exactly how does my perception of this topic become inferior to your perception of this topic? sounds like you think you have a superior grasp on reality.

See, right here in this very first sentence is a great example of swamiesque derailing, and every other aspect of the arguments you are presenting. It has no bearing on the topic at hand, and is merely fluff designed solely to invalidate my post.
It is a great tactic, because, like I am doing now, it forces someone to respond to it.... and if you dont respond to this crap then comes the swamiesquw tactic part two: ignore all other posts until the person answers the ridiculous fluff question.

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Your allegation is more of a hypothesis as it stands. You recognize a suspossed change in the behavior of this forum (which is hard to determine in itself) and announce what is responsible for the occurence of this change.



like I said before, it was an observation, but because you vehemently disagree with it you use these very poor tactics to try and discredit my opinion and derail the thread. Then later on you prove even another point I made earlier about asking scientific factual data to back up completely abstract or immesurable qualities.... it is poor debating. Its an opinion, not a hypothesis... it doesnt have to stand up to rigorous scientific scrutiny- because it is impossible to do so.

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Now, I ask you, how are you going to attempt testing this hypothesis, or giving us enough of a basis in order for our ownselves to take into consideration this idea and determine for ourselves that this reflects reality? That's the philosophical intent of sharing such, correct?




Is there a handbook that swami gave out? is there a point by point outline which you are following?
1) invalidate and discredit opinions through derailing and bounce back and forth between existentialist and scientific arguments of perception of reality.
2)slowly turn their posts with your words to fit into step 3.
3) turn the whole thread into a scientific advisory panel: dont worry if it deals with purely opinion and other completely abstracts.
4) refuse to answer questions and only return comments with repetition of steps 1-3.

How is anyone supposed to test this? its ridiculous/hilarious to even attempt to take this there. How does one measure the quality or worth of a thread? the level of copascetic(ness) that this forum has? lets graph that.... or lets show vinn diagrams of the post and pre swami era with regards to the relaxed nature of thread starters. yeah, genius.

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You simply formed a connection and brought forth discussion on this formed connection.




exactly, which is why it is not only futile, but juvenile to pursue trying to hold this to the scientific light. take it as an opinion.... say you disagree, show examples of why you disagree. Doesnt that seem like the better way to go about this than trying to follow the swami rhetoric manual?

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I'm sure you will speculate such, but I am wondering if you are going to demonstrate exactly what it is that causes you to bring yourself to speculate on the matter, and allow some discourse as to whether or not "what it is" is reasonable enough to form a valid basis for such a theory.




did my first post not explain why I came to this conclusion? I thought I had explained fairly well.

Thats all i can get to right now.... I wrote this while working, in bits, and have to break down. Ill address the rest once I get home.


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Re: I hate to say it..... [Re: SneezingPenis]
    #5322878 - 02/21/06 03:01 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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    #5322879 - 02/21/06 03:02 AM (17 years, 11 months ago)

This thread has been closed.

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Nothing to do with P&S. Maybe about the forum, but nothing more.


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