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help with lucid dreaming
    #5313194 - 02/18/06 12:00 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

A few nights ago i became lucid in a dream. I realized i was dreaming when i noticed that i didn't know what day or time it was. So, i knew i was dreaming, yet i couldn't control the dream. Most people claim they can control a dream when they become lucid. But i couldn't. Whenever i tried to make something appear by thinking about it, it wouldn't happen. The entire time i was lucid i had this fear that someone was going to hurt or kill me in the dream plane. After a few moments i became so frustrated that i forced myself to wake up. Is there some secret to controlling a dream that i missed? Why was i so afraid?


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: moog]
    #5313231 - 02/18/06 12:17 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: moog]
    #5313363 - 02/18/06 01:06 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

You became so "awake" that you forgot you can do anything. The explanation could be that in your waking life you feel threatened by something or somebody or suffocated cause you are not able to release yourself maybe because someone won't let you. You already have the power to change it, this dream seems to be more then just a lucid dream, it also is crossroad of you thoughts. If you by any chance feel like suffocating in your waking life, change it.
And good luck with your lucid dreaming, cause it's hard till you have it once. Then you'll keep going back in there a lot easier.


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5313822 - 02/18/06 04:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

you just have to practice.

it's an art. if you force it it won't work.

you have to learn how dream content is created in the first place before you can create it. i've been practicing a long time and still have difficulties with such things.

the biggest obstacle is your expectations, in a lucid dream you may bheave as if you do while awake, and it's not normal for you to be able to create things out of thin air while awake. check your mind and your expectations.


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: moog]
    #5313873 - 02/18/06 04:29 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

I've come to notice that when we find ourselves lucid, we are either aware in the astral subtle body or the lighter one  next up I call the aetheric subtle body. Some think they are the same, yet they are not. The difference is subtle though. :lol:

In the lower astral, fear can still be experienced. It's where we experience paralysis, moving slow and clumsy, and things out to get us. In a denser vibration, like in the waking, manifestation speed is slower.

In the plane and body up from that one, WOAHHHHHHHH, there is NO FEAR and you can move at the speed of thought- faster then light speed with the proficiency of spec on precision. Think it and its there or your there.

Another way to tell if you are in the astral body when lucid is if you hear a crackling/buzzing sound like electrical shorts and sparks or feel a buzzing and electrical shocks when you touch things.

The plane up is di polar magnetic. The two subtle fields combined support the electro magnetic field we experience in 3-D physicality. Thats meta-pysical talk. I have no idea what modern science has on it yet.

If you want to ditch the heavier astral body and plane when you become lucid, think to intention going lighter and higher and to be truly free and then let go.

I noticed I find myself in the astral when, I am drained exhausted and behind on sleep or had a negative day or am dehydrated. Stay caught up on sleep, keep hydrated and spend the hour before you go to bed getting yourself amped up into a really high vibin place. That usually ensures, a better lucid dream experience for me.

Staying extremely hydrated is important because your nervous system burns a ton of water to maintain the higher vibration awareness in the atheric plane.

I got the idea from an OBE book I read a long time ago that suggested not only keeping really hydrated before you go for a whirl, but to surround yourself with bowls of salt water as well. I don't know the science behind it. I just know keeping hydrated makes an experiential difference to me.

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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: gettinjiggywithit]
    #5318221 - 02/19/06 11:09 PM (17 years, 11 months ago)

Thanks everyone. Hopefully with some more practice i can do this.


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: moog]
    #5344727 - 02/27/06 10:07 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Try to imagine a ball in your left hand later close hands and think that ball from left hand is in right hand time you got this right you should be able to start controlling your dreams better by imaging doors and worlds behind that doors everything you want ^^ you also want to try to pull your finger or start screaming really loud ;] to be sure your lucid


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: moog]
    #5352096 - 03/01/06 02:49 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

""Is there some secret to controlling a dream that i missed?""

when you are having control, saying you loose/lost it, it is 'mind trickery' to get your control back, as you already have it..

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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: Gomp]
    #5362878 - 03/03/06 08:30 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

It takes practice to be able to control your lucid dreams. I have lucid dreams all the time but I still have limitations in them. At first I couldnt even do things I can do in real life like running, breaking windows, fighting etc. but now I can break through walls, pick up cars, fly, walk through solid objects and all sorts of things. A couple of months ago I noticed myself flying in a dream so I became lucid and ever since I had that dream ive been able to fly at will in my lucid dreams.

The main problem I have with lucid dreaming is keeping the dream going. Sometimes when I find myself lucid dreaming everything is crystal clear but most of the time its blurred and I have a hard time looking at things. What happens to me alot is im having a normal dream and I can see everything perfectly but after I realize im dreaming everything starts to fade and before I can do anything everything turns black. When it goes black I can usually think about whats going on and try to bring the dream back but rarely am I able to. I must fade back into the dreams at that point because I usually only remember being pissed off the dream faded out and trying to bring it back but I never remember what happens after that.

Ive been practicing a technique to keep the dream going where you look at your hands and once they start to fade you move your attention to other objects in your surroundings. I think im getting somewhere with it because last time I tried it I looked at my hands they started to fade, I looked around me and everything had faded away but all of a sudden everything came back again. I could see everything clearly but the weird thing about it is I could only see out of my left eye for a few seconds then my other eye came back again. I wonder why in the name of god after it had faded it only came back in one eye for a few seconds then the other eye comes back straight after.


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #5363271 - 03/03/06 10:33 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

"When it goes black I can usually think about whats going on and try to bring the dream back but rarely am I able to. "

This is something that will be of great help to you once you get real familiar with what that state feels like.

You can only stay dreaming for so long, and sometimes this means you are waking up....... but often times you can extend a dream a good .... objective..... 15 minutes or longer or maybe "hours" [i just do not understand time while i'm dreaming, i just know time is never long enough, i hardly ever want to wake up before a dream ends]

the best...... key most crucial thing..... is don't move.

if you wake up from a lucid dream DO NOT MOVE A SINGLE MUSCLE.... hold the dream in your mind, remember....... remember the very last thing in the dream and bring it back.

you can do any various legion of things to bring it back.... i used to call out to the dream characters I was with to pull me back into the dream and it worked 90% of the time so super easy.

a more challening but funner one is visualizing a new dream and going into the visuals.... or trying to have an out of body experience.

but ........ if you DON'T MOVE A SINGLE MUSCLE AND KEEP YOUR EYES CLOSED.... you will be able to go back to a vast majority of your dreams......... the technique has been coined "REM surfing" and.....

it works well. there comes a point when you can't surf any more and you resign and roll over and go back to a non-dreaming sleep.......

but........... you can really really jsut have very very very long dreams this way once you learn it.

Dream stabilization becomes obsolete at this point too, becuase you are confident enough to do what you want to in the dream without worrying about it ending..... and in fact worrying about it ending often causes such to happen.

incidentally you can try experimenting with the third eye/throat/heart chakras while lucid and see which ones deepen the dream, lighten it, make it more or less vivid, etc.

for you what I recommend is getting in the habit of not moving a muscle and trying very dilligently to go back into your dreams when you wake up from them, lucid or not. every single one of them, do this.

if you can't get back within a reasonable period of time it's a cue to give in, i'd say within 1 minute.


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Om Namah Shivaya, I tell you What!


Edited by leery11 (03/03/06 10:34 PM)


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: leery11]
    #5364244 - 03/04/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Quote:

a more challening but funner one is visualizing a new dream and going into the visuals.... or trying to have an out of body experience.



Now that you mentioned it I've tried the out of body thing loads of times when my bodies completely immobilised but im still fully conscious. When I do that its usually in hopes of actually leaving my body and astral travelling but usually I that creates a new dream. I dream I float out of my body but itdoesnt seem to last very long. I remember one night about 20 times in a row the dream would black out, id try to pull myself out of my body while in the immobilised state then I would find myself in another dream hovering above the bed until that dream blacks out too.


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #5364307 - 03/04/06 11:24 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Another thing I should share with you is the fact that when I lucid dream I must be sleeping with my eyes open. Sometimes in the lucid dream I notice an object that seems to stick out or be misplaced and when I wake up im staring straight at that object which happens to be in my room.

Heres an interesting lucid dream I had a while ago.

It started off I was in Jamaica staying on a big old wooden ship by the dock instead of a guest house of hotel. The owner of the ship was a pirate called Q-Tip. I was strolling down the beach when I noticed this fine spanish woman. I started spewing out random bullshit pickup lines in hopes of picking her up. I said to her why dont we find a quiet spot on the beach and get it on. She says follow me so I followed her into a little mall or shopping center and we went into the bar at the back of the room. There were a bunch of soldiers in uniform in there so I didnt like the place. The girl took off her top and started dancing on the table. I said what the hell are you doing and she says shes making some money. I was sitting there laughing when one of the soldiers told me to get up and dance. I told him to go fuck himself or something along the lines of that and a fight broke out.
I knew I was going to lose so I slipped out of there with the spanish woman. We went down the corridor in the mall and went through an employee only door. We got in an elevator and I thought to myself this is my chance. Just when I thought I was about to get some pussy the girl just disappears into thin air. I was pretty disappointed but I realized people dont just disappear so thats when I realized it was a dream. I got out of the elevator and walked into and office type room with a huge window on one side overlooking and ice skating rink or something like that. As I was walking into the room I noticed Molder from the X-files and some other woman were in there. Thats pretty weird because I hadnt seen the X-files in years and I have no idea why in the name of god Molder would appear in my dream. I didnt like the office because it was too small so I picked up a metal chair and started smashing the window to get to the ice ring. Funnily enough I had a harder time breaking the window in the dream than I would have in real life. It was more like breaking a car windshield with that protective paper so it doesnt shatter into a million pieces. Just as I was about to break the window Molder said to the woman "He doesnt understand", I had no idea what he was talking about but still I replied "Yea I understand", then he says to me "Then you dont believe". I didnt know what to make of that statement so I continued smashing the window. There was a large drop to the ice ring so I sat at the edge for a few seconds considering jumping but seeing as I knew it was a dream I didnt have a problem with jumping. Before I could even jump Molder came from behind and kicked me in the back so I fell.
I fell in slow motion which came as a relief at first but it was so slow it took me about 5 minutes to hit the ground. I landed in an army tank with big multicoloured bongs for cannons. That about when the dream ended, I woke up staring directly at my multicolored bong.

Thats happened me a few times, I find it pretty interesting because I thought even if your eyes are open when your asleep I thought the brain shut them down but obviously I was wrong.


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #5364359 - 03/04/06 11:42 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Alright heres my theory, I might sound insane but after enough experimentation with lucid dreams ive started coming to the conclusion that dreams are just as real as everyday life. Im starting to think the people in our dreams are just other people dreaming. Think about it, how many dreams to we have per night and how many of those dreams do we remember?

For example I was lucid dreaming a while ago and I was asking my brother if he was dreaming and then in the dream he says "Jesus christ, this is a dream", after that in the dream he was acting fully conscious and like he would be in real life. What if he was actually dreaming the same dream I was only I was the one that woke up at the right time so im the only one that remembers it.

The reason I think people in my dreams are real is because some people I run into, I dont recognize them, they seem to be just as smart if not smarter than me, when I ask a question I usually get a totally unexpected answer and sometimes they tell me things which when I wake up I realize it makes alot of sense and I have a hard time believe it came from my mind. I find it hard to believe my mind alone generates all these random faces, personalites, places, objects etc.

The way I see it is dreams are a way of communication with not only our subconscious but the collective subconscious of everybody on the planet.

I havent lucid dreamed in a while now but I know just because im talking about it now i'll have some tonight. Thats how it always works for me, the more I read and talk about lucid dreaming the more it happens to me. There are so many things I'd like to experiment with in dreams I dont know where to start. One thing i've always wanted to do is read a book in a dream and wake up so I can write down what I read.


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: jonnyjonjonjon]
    #5372033 - 03/06/06 07:16 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

i think there is some capacity to dream with real people depending upon your level of spiritual advancement.

when i tried to with someone our messages were ..... mixed for lack of better term........ and.......... when he spoke to me his throat broke up and i heard gibberish.

he did send me a code word but i wasn't paying attention..... i much later remembered that i heard the word, and got it right.

so yeah, i'm faithful that it works. especially since i ran into a lucid dreamer (in real life) a day before dreaming about it. and we CONSTANTLY ran into each other on campus until he moved away just a few days ago.

i think you have to deliberately learn how to dream travel in order to accurately interact with real people.

I try but then I just try to have sex so..... I'm not sure if the powers that be would have me running around having sex with everyone in creation ..... and as such probably won't be able to dream travel with impure intentions.

what I do though is I deconstruct the dream I am, think of my target person (or target dream) and feel myself slipping into it piece by piece until a new dream forms, attempting to as accurately as possible visualize and imagine that i am leaving my mind and entering that of another persons.

another method that may work is to simply speak aloud to the target while dreaming, they should be able to hear assumedly.......

and another would be to visualize a door, create it, and assert that the door is a door between your dream and theirs, knock on it and see if they answer, or go in.


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Edited by leery11 (03/06/06 07:19 PM)


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: leery11]
    #5372077 - 03/06/06 07:31 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I have been lucid dreaming on and off for the last few years, when I first started, the only way to make things happen was to demand them.

"You must give me a fat joint"
"You must morph into Halle Berry"
"You must wake me up"
"You must allow me to fly"

and things would work, and after I got a lot of practice it became easier.


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: moog]
    #5396644 - 03/13/06 09:00 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

imho the reason you had so much trouble making things happen in your lucid dream(LD) is because your attention was too focused on making it happen.

what i have noticed works is to remind onself, in the ld state, to remain calm and focus your attention (be it thoughts, visual points of fucus, abilities like flying or causing anything to materialize at will) in a way i like to call "peripherally".

i think i might have read a similar thechnique in castenada's 'art of dreaming'. what you do is dont allow yourself to 'focus' your attention too much on any 1 thing. remain aloof from the situation and you can make anything happen.

personally i use the ld occasions as doorways to the out of body experience. but when i did explore the possibilities i did find i could 'do anything at will' in this sate. but sometiimes i would focus too much on what i was trying to create and it didn't work.


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: moog]
    #5403012 - 03/15/06 11:29 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

But; ...






What if you have Lucid Dreams, every time you dream..


..but consciously forget?







Just think about, if you lucid dream, and 'do it all'. ...being away for years, as time is relative!  (a measure) ..
then wake up, and recall it all?

would it not confuse you out of focus? I bet it would, and I know you know!

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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: Gomp]
    #5422471 - 03/20/06 01:19 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

When i want lucid dreams i smoke calea i meditate before sleep 30 minutes and i listen my ocean sounds when i sleep.When you want have good lucid dream take warm bath with some nice oils or some ocean salt quite your self before bed drink some tea put some nice chill out music.And in bed repeating your mind today i become lucid in my dreams repeat until your in sleep and after some practice you realize your dreaming.And whole new world will appear to you when you do it for while like me i practice lucid dreams for 1.5 years and now when I'm dreaming and i want another dream i imagine to my self doors and behind doors is almost always another dream it so cool OK i speak to much just practice and you will approve thats for sure


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: SCOBYSNACKS]
    #5424743 - 03/21/06 11:05 AM (17 years, 10 months ago)

Calea smoked? How much do you smoke to get any effect, I used it only once and made tea out of it and got nothing.
Anyways, another way you can make yourself have a lucid dream and I discovered by accident is when you feel like falling asleep, wake up, and again and again. When you really go back to sleep, you "wake up" in your dream.


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Re: help with lucid dreaming [Re: MushroomTrip]
    #5425898 - 03/21/06 03:43 PM (17 years, 10 months ago)

I take tea spoon with some tea and i smoke 1 bowl off mJ and one calea and I'm ready just smoke it for month or week until you have some good results all that Mexicans shamans cant be wrong i t work on me ^^


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